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Post by Zor » 2009-03-09 11:47pm

In this scenario, the Tau Empire as of 40,999 (including the Kroot Worlds, Vespid worlds, Gue'las and such with it, as well as the Farsight) is picked up from the Warhammer 40,000 universe and deposited in the star Wars galaxy. They arrive the year 50 BBY on the Outer Rim of the Star Wars galaxy, well outside the juristiction of the Galactic Republic and far from Hutt Space, the Chiss or any other minor power of note. Earth Caste scientific systems are capable of detecting the fact that they have been moved, and those of the Galactic Republic are capable of detecting the sudden arrival of the new star systems. At the same time, the process of being displaced dropped a few dozen Star Wars intact Hyperdrive equiped spacecraft out of hyperspace in stable orbit above T'au with their crews in a condition adequately discribed as very dead. No force sensitives saw this comming.

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Re: Tau in the Old Republic era Star Wars galaxy

Post by Samuel » 2009-03-10 01:28am

The Tau join the Old Republic. I don't see any reason to fight and the Tau can probably spread "The Greater Good" amoung the Republic if they are members- after all, the requirements are probably light.

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Post by Zablorg » 2009-03-10 01:42am

Samuel wrote:The Tau join the Old Republic. I don't see any reason to fight and the Tau can probably spread "The Greater Good" amoung the Republic if they are members- after all, the requirements are probably light.
I wouldn't be surprised if the Tau became impatient with the Republic's likely lack of co-operation with the fundamental ideas of the greater good, though.
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Post by Stark » 2009-03-10 01:43am

How long would it take them to collapse socially, given an open galaxy? Tau can just jump on a plane and live elsewhere.

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Post by white_rabbit » 2009-03-10 07:10am

How long would it take them to collapse socially, given an open galaxy? Tau can just jump on a plane and live elsewhere.
Who knows? They've got very strong propaganda and indoctrination, and their religious leaders have got what is probably some sort of engineered physiological hack for controlling their subjects.

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Post by Darth Hoth » 2009-03-10 08:00am

How long does it take them to overcome their primitiveness? The Old Republic as of the prequel era was ruled by evil megacorporations; they probably find them a nice prospect for colonial subjects a new market.

Otherwise, the Republic probably leaves them alone. As probably, the Empire, when it comes around, does not.
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Post by Eleas » 2009-03-10 08:20am

white_rabbit wrote: Who knows? They've got very strong propaganda and indoctrination, and their religious leaders have got what is probably some sort of engineered physiological hack for controlling their subjects.
If they do join the OR, at a bare minimum the Tau will have to accept visits from its members. Short of aggressively enforcing all their borders, they will not be able to contain the spread of technology; the apparently ubiquitous Hoersch-Kessel drive and the hyperdrive will then quickly proliferate. At that point any dissenters (and I cannot believe their indoctrination is 100% foolproof; no system is) can essentially leave the Tau at will and, if they're feeling vindictive, spill the beans on just what type of mind control the Tau want to foist upon the rest of the galaxy.
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Post by NecronLord » 2009-03-10 08:50am

Darth Hoth wrote:How long does it take them to overcome their primitiveness?
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Post by Connor MacLeod » 2009-03-10 03:31pm

I doubt they'd join the Republic, at least not honestly. They'd maybe "join" under the pretense of attempting to undermine the Republic from within, but I doubt they are large enough to pull that off without drawing attention to themselves.

Most likely is having them sitting in the Outer Rim trying to pull in worlds there - there are either (depending on who you ask) placese the REpublic does not claim territory to, or placecs they do but are essentially lawless and uncontrolled. Of course, the problem then is that they might run across groups like the Trade Federation, who wouldn't look kindly upon them (IE interlopers) and try to either conquer them or just crush them utterly.

The one thing that is certain is that the Tau will lack the whole "isolated on the fringes of the galaxy" advantage that helps them against the Imperium (and hampers the Imperium, esp post 5th edition), so contact of one form or another is guaranteed.

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Re: Tau in the Old Republic era Star Wars galaxy

Post by bobnik » 2009-03-11 05:25am

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Darth Hoth wrote:How long does it take them to overcome their primitiveness?
Explain?
I believe he's referring to the fact that in most if not all ways, the Tau are behind the SW technological 8-ball.

I would think that of all the 40k races that Tau are the race most likely to successfully adapt to SW. Their ideology allows them to play the long game against (or with) aliens, and they are willing and able to absorb other races' tech in a systematic fashion. They are not bound to warp based tech and will therefore suffer no disadvantage if the SW universe doesn't have one, apart from needing to update their propulsion tech, which the OP has provided them.
Connor MacLeod wrote:I doubt they'd join the Republic, at least not honestly. They'd maybe "join" under the pretense of attempting to undermine the Republic from within, but I doubt they are large enough to pull that off without drawing attention to themselves.
I agree, but I wonder whether they'd get the chance. Star systems appearing out of nowhere with no presentiment in the Force will certainly pique the Jedi's interest, and one would think the Republic at large would get involved too. Would the Jedi detect and understand the effects of the Ethereal pheromone gland? Would they understand the purpose of the "communion helm" given to the Vespid? Would they leave without talking to anyone from the Farsight enclave? I do not believe the answer to all these questions would be no.

Personally, I just want to see what happens when the Kroot eat a Jedi. :twisted:
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Re: Tau in the Old Republic era Star Wars galaxy

Post by Darth Hoth » 2009-03-11 06:39am

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Darth Hoth wrote:How long does it take them to overcome their primitiveness?
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I was referring to their technology, which is generally considerably weaker than SW standards (and is certainly inferior in transportation and communications). I know too little about their social system to say anything definitive on that, though I gather they are a caste-based society enforced by mind control.
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Post by open_sketchbook » 2009-03-11 06:41am

Interesting question : Do the Tau, being from another universe with another set of laws, even register in the Force, or are they absence, like the Yuzong Vong? Furthermore, seeing as they have souls in the 40k sense, do they bring the warp with them?
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Post by bobnik » 2009-03-11 06:55am

open_sketchbook wrote:Interesting question : Do the Tau, being from another universe with another set of laws, even register in the Force, or are they absence, like the Yuzong Vong? Furthermore, seeing as they have souls in the 40k sense, do they bring the warp with them?
We can only speculate. However, multiple sources say that Tau souls register little to zero in the warp. They certainly have zero psychic abilities in game, and while perhaps more reliable, their form of warp travel is much slower, as they have nothing approximating the Imperium's Navigators.
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Post by Darth Hoth » 2009-03-11 06:56am

Everything that exists in the SW universe is part of the Force, including the Vong (though they are invisible to the spectrum most Jedi see; sheer magic is the only way to explain their retarded "technology" anyhow). We have ample examples from NJO of Force powers affecting Vong, and not just Jacen/Vergere wank.
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Post by Serafina » 2009-03-11 10:15am

bobnik wrote:
open_sketchbook wrote:Interesting question : Do the Tau, being from another universe with another set of laws, even register in the Force, or are they absence, like the Yuzong Vong? Furthermore, seeing as they have souls in the 40k sense, do they bring the warp with them?
We can only speculate. However, multiple sources say that Tau souls register little to zero in the warp. They certainly have zero psychic abilities in game, and while perhaps more reliable, their form of warp travel is much slower, as they have nothing approximating the Imperium's Navigators.
They definately do NOT have zero warp signature - only a very weak one. Thats a huge difference.
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Post by Solauren » 2009-03-11 01:55pm

Darth Hoth wrote:Everything that exists in the SW universe is part of the Force, including the Vong (though they are invisible to the spectrum most Jedi see; sheer magic is the only way to explain their retarded "technology" anyhow). We have ample examples from NJO of Force powers affecting Vong, and not just Jacen/Vergere wank.
Also there's that whole rebond with the child planet of their parent planet and suddenly show up in the Force' bit.

We know of at least 2 Force-Sensitive Vong. (The unnamed on Lumiya encountered, and Omni)

And finally, when Anakin Solo gave himself over full to the Force, he could feel, sense, and affect the Vong.
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bobnik wrote:
open_sketchbook wrote:Interesting question : Do the Tau, being from another universe with another set of laws, even register in the Force, or are they absence, like the Yuzong Vong? Furthermore, seeing as they have souls in the 40k sense, do they bring the warp with them?
We can only speculate. However, multiple sources say that Tau souls register little to zero in the warp. They certainly have zero psychic abilities in game, and while perhaps more reliable, their form of warp travel is much slower, as they have nothing approximating the Imperium's Navigators.
including the Kroot Worlds, Vespid worlds, Gue'las and such with it,
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There's no chaos on those worlds.
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NecronLord wrote:There's no chaos on those worlds.
No, but they carry a presence in the warp. Isn't the warp a relection of reality? Given that in 50 years there is going to be an extremely bloodly and violent war, the warp is going to get very dark very quckly.

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Post by NecronLord » 2009-03-11 06:46pm

Not going to make chaos gods. The Eldar were a galactic civilization practicing widespread child sacrifice and violent rape on a daily basis - and they still didn't create a dark god until they enacted a 'create a god' ritual.
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Post by bobnik » 2009-03-11 07:08pm

Slaanesh wasn't created by a single ritual, it was millennia upon millenia of depraved activities that did it. While there may or may not be a Chaos presence amongst the moved worlds, we have no way of telling whether there is a Warp in the SW galaxy/universe.
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Post by open_sketchbook » 2009-03-11 09:46pm

Well, we better hope some vestigial warp forms with the Empire's arrival, or, well, it won't be pretty for the Tau Empire. Things don't tend to go too well for 40k residents without souls.
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open_sketchbook wrote:Well, we better hope some vestigial warp forms with the Empire's arrival, or, well, it won't be pretty for the Tau Empire. Things don't tend to go too well for 40k residents without souls.
True, but my point is that they aren't in 40k anymore, so who knows what rules apply?

For the Tau, lack of warp is only a problem for their starship propulsion, and the OP already fixed that. For the humans and other species I'm not sure, but as most human psykers are mothing but trouble without proper training. lack of warp might do them good.
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Post by Samuel » 2009-03-12 02:47am

NecronLord wrote:Not going to make chaos gods. The Eldar were a galactic civilization practicing widespread child sacrifice and violent rape on a daily basis - and they still didn't create a dark god until they enacted a 'create a god' ritual.
Except that we have a whole universe to fuel whatever comes up, not just part of one galaxy (okay, depends on how adding the warp works). All we need is a crazy group of insane fanatics who live in a society obcessed with pain, slavery and violence. Or wars that kill hundreds of trillions of people.
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open_sketchbook wrote:Well, we better hope some vestigial warp forms with the Empire's arrival, or, well, it won't be pretty for the Tau Empire. Things don't tend to go too well for 40k residents without souls.
True, but my point is that they aren't in 40k anymore, so who knows what rules apply?

For the Tau, lack of warp is only a problem for their starship propulsion, and the OP already fixed that. For the humans and other species I'm not sure, but as most human psykers are mothing but trouble without proper training. lack of warp might do them good.
They would be like Jedi, except much more common. I'm pretty sure that the number of psychers is much higher per person than force ability in Star Wars- you have entire species that have so few members it only pops up occasionally, while 40K has enough that they have to send ships on occasion to every world. Of course, this cold be biased based on the Jedi ignoring people with slight ability, while the Inquisition cannot.

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Samuel wrote:Except that we have a whole universe to fuel whatever comes up, not just part of one galaxy (okay, depends on how adding the warp works). All we need is a crazy group of insane fanatics who live in a society obcessed with pain, slavery and violence. Or wars that kill hundreds of trillions of people.
You are completely missing how ridiculously difficult it was for the Eldar to make Slaanesh. Their vast empire was devoted to hedonism for centuries, if not millennia. It would take slightly more than a 'crazy group of insane fanatics' to conjour up a God. Even emotion and though coalescing into a daemon is rare in 40k. Star Wars does not have the Immaterium, anyway. It would be best to ignore this silly line of reasoning.
Samuel wrote:They would be like Jedi, except much more common. I'm pretty sure that the number of psychers is much higher per person than force ability in Star Wars- you have entire species that have so few members it only pops up occasionally, while 40K has enough that they have to send ships on occasion to every world.
Why would the acts of the Imperium, made up of a species which is significantly more psychic than the Tau and their client species, matter in this case? Have you ever even heard of a Kroot psyker?
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