Hey, I'm glad to see you enjoyed the present I left in your Cheerios.
That tasty marshmallow? OM NOM NOM!
Seriously though it's not like I only just coined the term yesterday
. And to be fair, I've warmed up to the 'wrecked Earth' development quite a bit since then (I don't like the development itself but I do like the opportunities it affords for character development and I do appreciate the simplicity of the writers not having to devise an Earth civilization for the show), although I still think I should get a pass on using the term "Battlestar Livejournal
" since I termed it that way back before anyone could have known that's what would be found. Seriously, what's wrong with mocking the show for being grim and dark? Is 'grimdark' also unacceptable in a neoBSG thread now?
Grimdark is a genre as far as this show is concerned. At times they seem to go in the total opposite extreme to the original series, but when I consider the rampant jollity of the '70s show, I have to say I prefer gritty, darkness for delivering the drama, even if that means some fairly overdone supr srs business goes down, and not a bit more light-hearted stuff.
Yeah but in the first season as someone else pointed out it was a lot more vague and open to interpretation. Okay so Roslin saw an ancient lost city when she looked at the recon pictures of ruins - did she actually have an actual vision or did her mind imagine/hallucinate that based on her memory of reading their holy texts before? It wasn't definite - we could go either way. Similarly, was Head-Six actually a Cylon implant (like maybe a mental computer virus or something) or was she a hallucination or was she actually some sort of angel/devil being? Again, it could go either way. Even after taking the Arrow of Apollo to the holodeck Tomb of Athena, there's still the ambiguity of "so was that really advanced technology or was that holy magic". (I'm inclined to favor technology)
I feel the responses before mine on the religious angle, especially Maya's, cover this without me retreading.
But where it started to crumble was Athena saying "we know a lot more about your gods than you do". Okay... like what? And how did you find out? You'd think this would actually be a relatively simple question to answer, but we never got anything more on that. Are we ever going to hear anything about the Lords of Kobol again, or on why exactly Kobol was abandoned? I'm betting we won't. I mentioned the Head-Six issue before, and how we haven't gotten anything further on that. Now there's Head-Baltar - what's that about? And what about the Operahouse? Again, used to be this nice ambiguous "vision or hallucination? actual thing or just Head-Six toying with him?" conflict to it. But now we've got Roslin and Six seeing the same thing at the same time - is that telepathy? Is that angels/devils/magic telebeacons planting images in their heads? We haven't gotten anything about that either. The Cylon/Human hybrid used to be a big deal - where did that go? The Cylons kept mentioning someone having programmed them and how important it is to follow the programming - who did it, what was their motive? How does the Basestar Hybrid know so goddamn much? How did the human oracle on New Caprica know stuff? Why did the supernova cook off just in time for D'anna to figure out the Eye of Jupiter but still leave Galactica just barely enough time to escape?
The problem isn't that they keep tossing new shiny balls up into the air, or even that they haven't been completely resolved, it's that those old balls just seem to stay up there and never get any progress or new clues. The problem isn't that there's a lot of religious/prophetic talk, the problem is that it doesn't seem to mean anything except "oh hey this sounds cool". I'd like to take it on faith that they've actually got this really spectacular grand plan of how it all fits together and that all those ominous Cylon portents actually meant something, but I can't because I know they've just been playing it by ear for the past few years, so it's hard for me to just believe that they've managed to bang out a stellar conclusion to the series.
Zac whined about how there's no evidence of the writers intending to leave things unanswered but my retort is where is the evidence that they actually do intend to resolve many of these questions they brought up? Or rather, where's the evidence that they will do so in a manner that's actually satisfying and thoughtful and doesn't just superficially gloss over everything they've built up over the run of the series? To be fair we've got D'anna being unboxed following the civil war, but that's not enough to really convince me.
I agree with you on that, and while I'm not writing off the rest of the season as being totally unable to explain even a good chunk of these instances well, I don't expect everything to be resolved, nor, indeed, would it automatically make the story that much better if everything was explained away with intricate detail. A little mystery is good, and without deities or the 13th Colony obeying Clarke's law, you'll be hard pressed to get a satisfactory explanation now anyway. They could
explain it as being God or what have you, though this could be seen as a cop out anyway and not everyone will be pleased however you cut it. It's now a toss-up between divine intervention, or not-so-divine intervention.
And again like I said earlier, I'll be happy to be proven wrong and I'll watch the episodes as they come out because I want to see how it unfolds, but I fail to see what's so inappropriate about expressing skepticism over the quality of the finale of the show based on what's come before.
With no Cylon war and very few characters to have love triangles or sulking matches now, the rest of the season will focus on rounding this whole thing off to as fine a finale as can be done now. If they deviate from that course, then I don't see them pulling it off. As of now, they can do it with some season one writing, albeit, with the caveats mentioned above about not giving a satisfactory ending to everyone.
And seriously as much as I whined about "nuked earth = battlestar LJ" in that thread I linked to above, I think a deliberate "Battlestar Evangelion" ending would be even more absurdly awful since from what I've heard, NGE's "religious symbolism" was also just an assortment of random shit that "looked and sounded cool".
That was more a case of Japanese culture relishing a novelty such as Christian imagery and Anno going batshit insane halfway through. The inclusion of a pantheon and a omni-god like Jehova is a nice touch, though it's more the prophecy and the way humanity works in these extreme situations of survival, with some tricky moral questions thrown in, that drives the story.