Themightytom wrote:There's was always the recurring theme that they would be lead to earth by a dying prophet, which the writers were setting up to be either Roslin, or Baltar.
I'm pretty sure I remember hearing that Roslin was definitely supposed to die when they first started the series, but then the writers decided they liked her too much or something like that.
Turin wrote:Because Season 1, Episode 1 ("33") wasn't almost entirely about Baltar giving himself over to God or anything (oops, character-driven inside an overall story!).
So, what does that mean? What did we ultimately get out of Baltar giving himself to God? From his perspective
, things seemed to get better... but at the same time it could just be coincidence. See, that was good television because it left the question up in the air and similar writing - like the issue of whether or not Roslin was hallucinating when she saw the ancient lost city on Kobol when she looked at the recon photos - allowed for some excellent conflict between Roslin the faithful and Adama the atheist.
But it's been years since that point and we don't have anything
more on just what Head-Six (or, now, Head-Baltar) means, or why or how she's there or what her (it's?) true
motives are. Nothing
. Well, there was an ambiguous scene where she appears to lift him up, but it's still ambiguous so we're no closer to an answer. Is one really going to be forthcoming? I'm not optimistic on that, although I'd love to be proven wrong on that count.
I'm also not sure what your jab there is supposed to mean, I'm not saying neoBSG has always been total shit, nor am I even saying character-oriented storytelling is a bad thing. Which aspect of my post did you think your jab cleverly refuted?
Zac Naloen wrote:Are you trolling on purpose?
There are no signs at all that they have no intention of leaving anything totally unanswered.
No I'm not trolling on purpose, I'm basing this on the series writers' habit of both making the series up as they go, and employing blatantly contrived events in order to fiat their way through particularly sticky points. For examples of the former we have THE FINAL FIVE, we have Ellen being the final one (as the producers didn't know who it would be when Lucy Lawless saw the Five and said "oh i'm sorry, i didn't know" to one of them), Roslin magically surviving her cancer, the Cylons allegedly having "A Plan" when it turns out that they seemed to have as much of a plan as George Bush had when launching the invasion of Iraq.
For examples of the latter, see: Pegasus
' third Commander biting it conveniently so's Apollo could take command, Pegasus
conveniently being sacrificed to save Galactica
so the writers could get rid of the super-battlestar, Adama and the Galactica
crew suddenly being unable to "jump in, wait for res ship to jump in, shoot magic-virus-infected hostages, jump out" in anything resembling a competent fashion, and recently Earth magically both being unlivably radioactive and not managing to rust or erode any artifacts away (including a GUITAR) even after two thousand years.
Hey, if I'm wrong and the staff actually does wrap up most of the story to make sense, cool. Rub it in my face, put it in your sig, send me a razz over PM. I'll be happy too, I'd love to see how this all supposedly ties together. But don't get super-butthurt just because I'm not completely in love with the show. I love damn near any scene with Edward James Olmos in it, Baltar is hilarious whenever he gets a comedic moment, Tigh is magnificent when he's barking orders or growling at some underling - but these and other things I like about the series do not change the fact that I think the show suffers considerably from the lack of advance planning in the writing.
Admiral Valdemar wrote:I must've missed getting my copy of the final half of season four's scripts in the post. Would one of you fine people who knows full well what's going to happen regarding untied plotlines please lend me your copy so that I may educate myself? What's that? You don't have a copy of the scripts? Then shut the fuck up.
And if I hear one more reference to emoness, Live-fucking-journal or anything else, I'm going to call the person up on why they're trolling a thread on a programme they clearly have nothing but bullshit to add to.
Hey, I'm glad to see you enjoyed the present I left in your Cheerios.
Seriously though it's not like I only just coined the term yesterday
. And to be fair, I've warmed up to the 'wrecked Earth' development quite a bit since then (I don't like the development itself but I do like the opportunities it affords for character development and I do appreciate the simplicity of the writers not having to devise an Earth civilization for the show), although I still think I should get a pass on using the term "Battlestar Livejournal
" since I termed it that way back before anyone could have known that's what would be found. Seriously, what's wrong with mocking the show for being grim and dark? Is 'grimdark' also unacceptable in a neoBSG thread now?
Anyway, last I heard, around here a "troll" was considered to be someone who makes a lot of fakeposts intended to anger people and intentionally derail threads with unproductive posts - i.e. a 'crime' of intent - but that's not my intent because this is seriously how I think and feel about Battlestar Galactica
and I think it's on-topic to speculate on where the show is (or is not) going from here. There, now you know where I'm coming from, I just saved you the trouble of "calling me up".
You can't ignore the religion and philosophy that only formed the backbone of the whole series, so either there's some truth to it or it was a big rope-a-dope. I'm inclined to go for the former.
Yeah but in the first season as someone else pointed out it was a lot more vague and open to interpretation. Okay so Roslin saw an ancient lost city when she looked at the recon pictures of ruins - did she actually have an actual vision
or did her mind imagine/hallucinate that based on her memory of reading their holy texts before? It wasn't definite - we could go either way. Similarly, was Head-Six actually a Cylon implant (like maybe a mental computer virus or something) or was she a hallucination or was she actually some sort of angel/devil being? Again, it could go either way. Even after taking the Arrow of Apollo to the holodeck
Tomb of Athena, there's still the ambiguity of "so was that really advanced technology or was that holy magic". (I'm inclined to favor technology)
But where it started to crumble was Athena saying "we know a lot more about your gods than you do". Okay... like what? And how did you find out? You'd think this would actually be a relatively simple question to answer, but we never got anything more on that. Are we ever going to hear anything about the Lords of Kobol again, or on why exactly Kobol was abandoned? I'm betting we won't. I mentioned the Head-Six issue before, and how we haven't gotten anything further on that. Now there's Head-Baltar - what's that about? And what about the Operahouse? Again, used to be this nice ambiguous "vision or hallucination? actual thing
or just Head-Six toying with him?" conflict to it. But now we've got Roslin and Six seeing the same thing at the same time - is that telepathy? Is that angels/devils/magic telebeacons planting images in their heads? We haven't gotten anything about that either. The Cylon/Human hybrid used to be a big deal - where did that go? The Cylons kept mentioning someone having programmed them and how important it is to follow the programming - who did it, what was their motive? How does the Basestar Hybrid know so goddamn much? How did the human oracle on New Caprica know stuff? Why did the supernova cook off just in time for D'anna to figure out the Eye of Jupiter but still leave Galactica
enough time to escape?
The problem isn't that they keep tossing new shiny balls up into the air, or even that they haven't been completely resolved, it's that those old balls just seem to stay up there and never get any
progress or new clues. The problem isn't that there's a lot of religious/prophetic talk, the problem is that it doesn't seem to mean anything except "oh hey this sounds cool".
I'd like to take it on faith that they've actually got this really spectacular grand plan of how it all fits together and that all those ominous Cylon portents actually meant something, but I can't
because I know
they've just been playing it by ear for the past few years, so it's hard for me to just believe that they've managed to bang out a stellar conclusion to the series.
Zac whined about how there's no evidence of the writers intending to leave things unanswered but my retort is where is the evidence that they actually do intend to resolve many of these questions they brought up? Or rather, where's the evidence that they will do so in a manner that's actually satisfying and thoughtful and doesn't just superficially gloss over everything they've built up over the run of the series? To be fair we've got D'anna being unboxed following the civil war, but that's not enough to really convince me.
And again like I said earlier, I'll be happy to be proven wrong and I'll watch the episodes as they come out because I want to see how it unfolds, but I fail to see what's so inappropriate about expressing skepticism over the quality of the finale of the show based on what's come before.
And seriously as much as I whined about "nuked earth = battlestar LJ" in that thread I linked to above, I think a deliberate "Battlestar Evangelion" ending would be even more absurdly awful since from what I've heard, NGE's "religious symbolism" was also just an assortment of random shit that "looked and sounded cool".