Master Chief vrs. Luke

[Master_Baerne]

Just Wondering who would win. Luke is ROTJ, the Master Chief just arrived on Halo. He has an assault rifle, a pistol, and his shielded armor. Luke has the black jumpsuit and his lightsaber.

[Noble Ire]

Even though Luke is not as powerful as he becomes after ROTJ, he is still a precognative telekinetic with an energy sword that can can almost certainly penetrate the Master Chief's shielding and armor as effectively as a Covenant model. Even if both of them both became disarmed somehow, and their strength and speed were even (cybernetic enhancement vs. Force skill), Luke can still predict the Chief's movements, and use his telekinetic abilities against him, even if not to the extent that a Sith might. The Chief's tactical skill might give him a small advantage, but I don't see it being enough to overcome Jedi abilities.

[Shroom Man 777]

But doesn't Chief have the advantage of brute force? Discounting the lightsaber, he's stronger than Luke and can fight Jedi better than Jango.

You know what Chief should do? He should use his Spartan strength, hold the rifle on one hand, the pistol on another, and then shoot at Luke's head and feet at the same time. No way Luke can block that. Unless if he has two lightsabers!

[Ghost Rider]

But doesn't Chief have the advantage of brute force? Discounting the lightsaber, he's stronger than Luke and can fight Jedi better than Jango.

You know what Chief should do? He should use his Spartan strength, hold the rifle on one hand, the pistol on another, and then shoot at Luke's head and feet at the same time. No way Luke can block that. Unless if he has two lightsabers!

Yeah, because jumping wouldn't solve that .

[Noble Ire]

But doesn't Chief have the advantage of brute force? Discounting the lightsaber, he's stronger than Luke and can fight Jedi better than Jango.

Jedi have been known to exhibit feats of brute strength at least comparable to those of Spartans through Force augementation; going toe to toe with even a fairly weak Force user relying on personal power alone is a foolish proposition (one also has to consider their sheer speed). Jango killed Jedi by making use of his specialized gear and exploiting weaknesses in known Jedi fighting styles; Master Chief can do neither.

You know what Chief should do? He should use his Spartan strength, hold the rifle on one hand, the pistol on another, and then shoot at Luke's head and feet at the same time. No way Luke can block that. Unless if he has two lightsabers!

Jedi have been shown to easily block multiple angles of weapons fire (up to a certain extent, at least). Even if the Chief managed to aim and fire both weapons at exactly the same time, Luke might be able to sidestep one of the bullets, or even intercept it telekinetically. Perhaps if this was an entire squad of Spartans they might be able to overwhelm him by volume of fire, but a single one wouldn't be able to.

[Shroom Man 777]

I knew there was a problem there somewhere...

[NRS Guardian]

Afterall Ki-Adi-Mundi was able to block a few shots at close range before going down to at least 4 clones.

[Ubiquitous]

I sometimes question why the 'IDIOT MASTER CHIEF WANKERS' post is still sticky. I guess posts like this ensure that it is still relevant at the end of 2006.

[Major Maxillary]

The answer: neither would go down, they'd both work together to figure a way out of the room.

Luke won't attack someone who isn't threatening him, and neither will the Master chief.

they'd use their combined plot devices to get out of the room with the assistance of Cortana, and then go off to fight the Covenant or Flood or Empire or whoever it is that needs to be fought at that time.

[Master_Baerne]

I sometimes question why the 'IDIOT MASTER CHIEF WANKERS' post is still sticky. I guess posts like this ensure that it is still relevant at the end of 2006.

I am not wanking, I wanted to kow if the speeding-up and shielded armor would ba,ance against a limited amount of Force precog and telekinesis. The answer appears to be no.

[Stark]

How would the shield or armour protect from Luke crushing his windpipe?

[Steven Snyder]

Luke: I am not the Jedi you are looking for.
John: You are not the Jedi I am looking for.

Seriously with the feats of stealth, mind control, telekinesis, and pre-cog the Master Chief is pretty much an unarmed opponent.

[Molyneux]

Luke: I am not the Jedi you are looking for.
John: You are not the Jedi I am looking for.

Seriously with the feats of stealth, mind control, telekinesis, and pre-cog the Master Chief is pretty much an unarmed opponent.

I don't know if it'd go like that...John-117 isn't THAT weak-minded of an individual. But if it comes to out-and-out combat, the MC goes down hard; he simply can't match Jedi abilities.

If you want to look at a brute-force Jedi-Killer, look at Durge. Could Durge beat Luke? If the answer is 'no', then Master Chief most definitely could not, as Durge appears to have him beat in every category - strength, durability, armaments and knowledge of Jedi techniques.

[Shroom Man 777]

How would the shield or armour protect from Luke crushing his windpipe?

You could say the same thing about Grevious. Instead of shoving the guy away and letting him run away, Obi-Wan could've just crushed his brain or something and be done with it.

[Crown]

How would the shield or armour protect from Luke crushing his windpipe?

You could say the same thing about Grevious. Instead of shoving the guy away and letting him run away, Obi-Wan could've just crushed his brain or something and be done with it.

That was, I believe, Mace's tactic. It probably just never occured to Obi-Wan to do it.

[Darth Wong]

How would the shield or armour protect from Luke crushing his windpipe?

You could say the same thing about Grevious. Instead of shoving the guy away and letting him run away, Obi-Wan could've just crushed his brain or something and be done with it.

He actually did send Grievous flying with a Force push later, but he didn't do so at first, perhaps because of some wonky Jedi honour code. Also, since Grievous doesn't have a normal windpipe, it's possible that the option simply didn't occur to Obi-Wan. Master Chief, on the other hand, is just a guy in an exosuit; hardly something that would be an alien idea to someone from the SW universe.

[Arthur_Tuxedo]

Still, doesn't parsimony dictate that there must have been a reason Obi-Wan didn't simply crush Grievous' windpipe, especially considering that Luke didn't crush the windpipes of Jabba's men on the barge, and it took many seconds for Needa and Jabba's door guards to croak from it? It seems clear to me that they simply can't assert very much force that way. Otherwise, Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan wouldn't have had to fight all those droids with the lightsaber, and wouldn't have had to run from the droidekas.

[Darth Wong]

Still, doesn't parsimony dictate that there must have been a reason Obi-Wan didn't simply crush Grievous' windpipe, especially considering that Luke didn't crush the windpipes of Jabba's men on the barge, and it took many seconds for Needa and Jabba's door guards to croak from it? It seems clear to me that they simply can't assert very much force that way. Otherwise, Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan wouldn't have had to fight all those droids with the lightsaber, and wouldn't have had to run from the droidekas.

Luke did take out a couple of Gamorrean guards when he entered Jabba's palace. It seems that in a large fight with many opponents, they're much less likely to use those kinds of powers. It may tire them to repeatedly use active Force powers like TK instead of passive ones like combat precog.

Another possibility is that if they overuse the TK, they will tire themselves and weaken their ability to use combat precog, which would be a real killer in a huge melee fight.

None of that would apply here though; they have demonstrated the ability to use those powers and I can't see why a one-on-one confrontation with Master Chief wouldn't fall into that category unless Luke just doesn't want to kill him for some reason.

[General Zod]

Luke did take out a couple of Gamorrean guards when he entered Jabba's palace. It seems that in a large fight with many opponents, they're much less likely to use those kinds of powers. It may tire them to repeatedly use active Force powers like TK instead of passive ones like combat precog.

Another possibility is that if they overuse the TK, they will tire themselves and weaken their ability to use combat precog, which would be a real killer in a huge melee fight.

None of that would apply here though; they have demonstrated the ability to use those powers and I can't see why a one-on-one confrontation with Master Chief wouldn't fall into that category unless Luke just doesn't want to kill him for some reason.

As far as using TK vs multiple opponents, perhaps it simply requires more concentration to force-choke & such against multiple enemies than it does to simply slash at them with their lightsabers? Which would result in leaving them distracted and open to attacks by others with blasters and the like while they're busy dealing with another group?

[Crown]

Still, doesn't parsimony dictate that there must have been a reason Obi-Wan didn't simply crush Grievous' windpipe, especially considering that Luke didn't crush the windpipes of Jabba's men on the barge, and it took many seconds for Needa and Jabba's door guards to croak from it? It seems clear to me that they simply can't assert very much force that way. Otherwise, Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan wouldn't have had to fight all those droids with the lightsaber, and wouldn't have had to run from the droidekas.

Again; Mace did crush Grevious' lungs - that's why he is wheezing in the movie, so for whatever reason it might not have occured to Obi-Wan to do that. Afterall it's not a tactic that a straight laced Jedi would think off as being okay.

Also Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan most certainly did not battle all the droids with lightsabres if you watch the film. A simple force push disabled them, either pointing to really shoddy workmanship on the Federation's behalf, or Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon affecting their internal mechanisms.

For droidekas, it appears their shields actually ... you know ... shield them.

[Noble Ire]

For droidekas, it appears their shields actually ... you know ... shield them.

And even they are susceptible to Jedi telekinesis if the droideka in question is by itself and the Jedi can avoid its armament long enough to get fairly close. In one of the later Clone War novels, Labyrinth of Evil, I believe, Anakin Skywalker manages to push a destroyer droid into a wall and thus into its own shield, destroying it (SW personal shielding is often quite destructive on contact with matter).

The Chief's shielding doesn't work in the same way, but the incident does demonstrate that TK can work just as effectively against a shielded opponent as an unshielded one.

[Arthur_Tuxedo]

Again; Mace did crush Grevious' lungs - that's why he is wheezing in the movie, so for whatever reason it might not have occured to Obi-Wan to do that. Afterall it's not a tactic that a straight laced Jedi would think off as being okay.

Also Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan most certainly did not battle all the droids with lightsabres if you watch the film. A simple force push disabled them, either pointing to really shoddy workmanship on the Federation's behalf, or Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon affecting their internal mechanisms.

For droidekas, it appears their shields actually ... you know ... shield them.

From the Force? That would be a pretty neat shield. And why didn't the ISD's shield protect Captain Needa from getting force choked if that were the case? There seem to be some fairly big inconsistencies, here, and considering how long it took Needa and the gamorreans to die from being choked and the various circumstances where they didn't use this power even when it would have been a lifesaver, I'd say the prospect of Luke simply crushing Master Chief's windpipe like a coke can is murky. You could say that Vader took a long time to choke Needa because he's sadistic, but that would be way out of character for Luke.

[Lord Zentei]

For droidekas, it appears their shields actually ... you know ... shield them.

From the Force? That would be a pretty neat shield. And why didn't the ISD's shield protect Captain Needa from getting force choked if that were the case?

Why should the ISD shield have done that? Needa was in the same room as Vader. If you are thinking of Ozzel, he was on the same ship.

[Surlethe]

I suppose part of it depends on whether or not the shroud of the Dark Side is in effect; it's canonically shown to seriously inhibit a Jedi's combat abilities, as in the incident on the Invisible Hand's bridge between Obi-Wan and Greivous in the novelization. If the shroud's not there, there is absolutely no question whatsoever that Luke takes the battle.

[Arthur_Tuxedo]

Why should the ISD shield have done that? Needa was in the same room as Vader. If you are thinking of Ozzel, he was on the same ship.

Doh! I meant Ozzel. But I thought he was on a different ship.