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Of these three Galactic Empires which one would you rather have modern Earth be integrated into?
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Moderator: NecronLord
No, we'd get ignored because the pettifogging scholar-caste that passes for 'scientists' and 'historians' in the latter days of the Trantorian Empire would not believe we were the homeworld of humanity, even with fossil evidence to prove it. They are basically... all of the stupid.Crazedwraith wrote:Plus we'd get revered as the lost homeworld of legend by Trantor, so there's that.
Ok, that's pretty badSimon_Jester wrote:[
The Goldenbaum Dynasty is also oppressive, enacts vicious, murderous eugenics measures. Most of its worlds are pastoral serfdoms ruled by an aristocracy that ranges from feckless and corrupt down to bloodyminded.
Heck, it says a lot that once it fell, the Foundation's purpose was to, basically, make a new one. Split up and independent wasn't considered better, while the other two had big rebellions.By contrast, the Trantorian Empire generally refrained from major brutality so far as I know, and lacked the resources to engage in effective brutality anyway in its declining days.
Are we actually collaborators with either side or are we just people seeking a living? I mean seriously...anybody willing to take a guess at the ratio of people that had a clearance to people that didn't for the GALAXY?Purple wrote:A question. In the old SW cannon how well off could you become if you went full collaborator with the Empire, maybe joined the intelligence service as a volunteer or something?
Actually collaborating. As in say the Galactic Empire conquers your planet and you immediately enlist in their intelligence service or something and become a model loyalist. I am basically trying to ascertain how someone who embraces the new regime with open arms would fare. I imagine the old EU has to have had at least one example.Gaidin wrote:Are we actually collaborators with either side or are we just people seeking a living? I mean seriously...anybody willing to take a guess at the ratio of people that had a clearance to people that didn't for the GALAXY?Purple wrote:A question. In the old SW cannon how well off could you become if you went full collaborator with the Empire, maybe joined the intelligence service as a volunteer or something?
I uhh...good luck. We're mostly humans on the record as against the Empire. If you think you can get a clearance I think you have some stars to wish upon. I'll find a job as an engineer somewhere. Make a pretty good living. Actually won't be that bad, even on Coruscant.Purple wrote: Actually collaborating. As in say the Galactic Empire conquers your planet and you immediately enlist in their intelligence service or something and become a model loyalist. I am basically trying to ascertain how someone who embraces the new regime with open arms would fare. I imagine the old EU has to have had at least one example.
You might rise far enough in rank that you risk Vader noticing any of your failures.Purple wrote:A question. In the old SW cannon how well off could you become if you went full collaborator with the Empire, maybe joined the intelligence service as a volunteer or something?
By the end of the series the Goldenbaum dynasty had ceased to exist; von Musel had seized control of the state in his own name and founded his own dynasty.Crossroads Inc. wrote:Well if you can CHOOSE....
By the end of the series, The Goldenbaum Dynasty had been deeply changed...
No better off than you would be in service to the Goldenbaums or to Trantor.Purple wrote:A question. In the old SW cannon how well off could you become if you went full collaborator with the Empire, maybe joined the intelligence service as a volunteer or something?
At what speed though? I might get ahead faster and better in an empire that's racist against everyone else than I would in an egalitarian one. And being an adult white male I fit ideally into the choice demographic of their, well everyone.Simon_Jester wrote:No better off than you would be in service to the Goldenbaums or to Trantor.
You're also a commoner. That's a low bar to clear in Trantor, from what we know, compared to the Galactic Empire, which has heavily entrenched discrimination against people not from the Core Worlds, and obviously compared to the Goldenbaums, who are pants-on-head neofeudalists.Purple wrote:At what speed though? I might get ahead faster and better in an empire that's racist against everyone else than I would in an egalitarian one. And being an adult white male I fit ideally into the choice demographic of their, well everyone.Simon_Jester wrote:No better off than you would be in service to the Goldenbaums or to Trantor.
The difference being that, and I might be wrong here Trantor would be more of a meritocracy. And there is no way anyone from earth is going to compete there. We simply do not have the education, knowledge or anything. If you pluck a guy from the stone age and put him in the most egalitarian society ever he still won't be able to succeed. The GA on the other hand offers, or at least should offer a way of advancement where only dedication is required.NecronLord wrote:You're also a commoner. That's a low bar to clear in Trantor, from what we know, compared to the Galactic Empire, which has heavily entrenched discrimination against people not from the Core Worlds, and obviously compared to the Goldenbaums, who are pants-on-head neofeudalists.Purple wrote:At what speed though? I might get ahead faster and better in an empire that's racist against everyone else than I would in an egalitarian one. And being an adult white male I fit ideally into the choice demographic of their, well everyone.Simon_Jester wrote:No better off than you would be in service to the Goldenbaums or to Trantor.
It's a different type of competence, that's what I am saying. Being a good commander or a dedicated soldier or better yet a loyal informant (my personal preference) does require skills. But it's not the kind of skills you need a lifetime of living in a society thousands of years ahead of your own technologically to pick up. A person from earth would be completely at a loss when faced with the things that people from any of those settings take for granted. Like imagine trying to become something as simple as a taxi driver. "What do you mean you can't fly a hovercar?! My 13 year old son can do it! Get of my office!" Thus we would be completely lost at performing any job that isn't already performed by robots or some similar form of automation for manual labor leaving the only other alternative a lifetime in the low ranks of the military or as an informant to the regime when it takes over earth.NecronLord wrote:And then you fail to catch the Millennium falcon or something, and you get excecuted. In canon (Movies, Rebels) Star Wars, a large percentage of Imperial officers and even a planetary minister, have been killed by their superiors, usually without any disloyalty on their part. If you're suggesting you're not going to be competent in the 1st Galactic Empire, then Commandant Aresko is an example of what tends to happen to you.