W40K as Anime

Uraniun235 · Post by **Uraniun235** » 2005-11-17 01:51am

MRDOD wrote:
Rogue 9 wrote: You've evidently never seen an Adepta Sororitas army, then.
I don't think Sisters are very cuddly. In fact, they're probably Nuns with Guns anyhow.

Wait, Anime...
Nuns...
Belay that quibble!

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2005-11-17 01:57am

Y'know, in Darkstalkers, Felicia was a nun...

Yeah.

Sidewinder · Post by **Sidewinder** » 2005-11-17 02:04am

Uraniun235 wrote:
MRDOD wrote:
Rogue 9 wrote: You've evidently never seen an Adepta Sororitas army, then.
I don't think Sisters are very cuddly. In fact, they're probably Nuns with Guns anyhow.

Wait, Anime...
Nuns...
Belay that quibble!
*Snip image*

Which anime/manga is that from, anyways?

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2005-11-17 02:09am

Don't quote pics!!

It's probably just from misc. manga, if it even is from something in the first place and not just an isolated piece done by someone on the net or a mangaka.

NoXion · Post by **NoXion** » 2005-11-17 02:31am

Rogue 9 wrote:
MRDOD wrote:
Rogue 9 wrote: You've evidently never seen an Adepta Sororitas army, then.
I don't think Sisters are very cuddly. In fact, they're probably Nuns with Guns anyhow.

Wait, Anime...
Nuns...
Belay that quibble!
What Space Marines do in their spare time.

For some reason I can't see any images on that page.

Bob the Gunslinger · Post by **Bob the Gunslinger** » 2005-11-17 04:16pm

Adrian Laguna wrote:
Space Marines and Warhammer 40K combat would work just fine as an animation. I mean if a guy with Flash can do this just picture what a real animation studio could do.

That was 10 kinds of awesome. I especially loved the music!

That makes me want to see 40k done by the Clone Wars guys.

However, I must say that I would not want 99% of the people in the anime business involved with it if 40k were ever to be made as an anime. There's is almost no way that it could be done right.

Einhander Sn0m4n · Post by **Einhander Sn0m4n** » 2005-11-17 05:02pm

Bob the Gunslinger wrote:
Adrian Laguna wrote:
Space Marines and Warhammer 40K combat would work just fine as an animation. I mean if a guy with Flash can do this just picture what a real animation studio could do.
That was 10 kinds of awesome. I especially loved the music!

Chaos Gate - Ultramarine Chant. Fuckin' A!

Bob the Gunslinger wrote:That makes me want to see 40k done by the Clone Wars guys.

That would be hella awesome too.

Bob the Gunslinger wrote:However, I must say that I would not want 99% of the people in the anime business involved with it if 40k were ever to be made as an anime. There's is almost no way that it could be done right.

Exactly. 40K is all about gritty, bloody, gory futuristic medieval warfare, not fanservice, chibis, cutesy-coo crap, giant sweat drops, huge eyes, or anything like that.

Brother-Captain Gaius · Post by **Brother-Captain Gaius** » 2005-11-17 05:03pm

I would argue that that particular Flash clip is exactly why a 40k anime shouldn't be made. The anime-style fascination with swords, et al is just... yuck. Don't get me wrong, I like crazy ninja samurai sword crap as much as the next guy, but it's a huge disservice to the brutally Western atmosphere of the universe. When things get hit by Super Melee Weapons o' Doom™ in 40k, they don't get cut clean in half, they get fucking obliterated and turned into gooey red paste, with gibs flying everywhere. I am exaggerating of course, but that is a valid stylistic concern, something anime is not generally predisposed toward.

Nevermind the 3rd-Edition-inspired nonsense of a Terminator being felled by a silly Warlock, but I digress...

Morat · Post by **Morat** » 2005-11-17 06:56pm

MRDOD wrote:
Rogue 9 wrote: You've evidently never seen an Adepta Sororitas army, then.
I don't think Sisters are very cuddly. In fact, they're probably Nuns with Guns anyhow.

There's always the Repentia.

Neko_Oni · Post by **Neko_Oni** » 2005-11-17 08:51pm

Exactly. 40K is all about gritty, bloody, gory futuristic medieval warfare, not fanservice, chibis, cutesy-coo crap, giant sweat drops, huge eyes, or anything like that. Twisted Evil

As said before see Production IG's work for a "serious" take on anime. Ghost in the Shell, Jin Roh, Otogi Zoshi, and Blood:TLV don't have a sweat drop or giant eye in sight.

Bob the Gunslinger · Post by **Bob the Gunslinger** » 2005-11-17 09:03pm

Ghost in the Shell is still too over-stylized for my taste.

Sidewinder · Post by **Sidewinder** » 2005-11-17 09:15pm

Morat wrote:
MRDOD wrote:
Rogue 9 wrote: You've evidently never seen an Adepta Sororitas army, then.
I don't think Sisters are very cuddly. In fact, they're probably Nuns with Guns anyhow.
There's always the Repentia.

Those are the UGLIEST women warriors I've ever seen, besides the fat chicks in 'Quake III'. Seriously, what kind of idiot would think shaving a woman bald would make her look sexier? If that's the best the 'Warhammer 40,000' creators can do, I'm staying far, far away from that franchise.

Brother-Captain Gaius · Post by **Brother-Captain Gaius** » 2005-11-17 09:23pm

Those are the UGLIEST women warriors I've ever seen, besides the fat chicks in 'Quake III'. Seriously, what kind of idiot would think shaving a woman bald would make her look sexier? If that's the best the 'Warhammer 40,000' creators can do, I'm staying far, far away from that franchise.

Uh, I don't think they were going for 'sexy' there, no. More like, 'rabidly fanatical warriors on a quest for redemption that can only be granted in glorious combat.'

If you want sexy, go for Slaaneshi daemonettes or dark eldar wyches or something. Heretic.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2005-11-17 09:30pm

Bob the Gunslinger wrote:Ghost in the Shell is still too over-stylized for my taste.

I really don't see anything stylised about it at all.

Other than the fact that it's still a cartoon, that is.

Brother-Captain Gaius · Post by **Brother-Captain Gaius** » 2005-11-17 09:33pm

And upon further consideration, I should point out that 40k is not exactly a "pretty" universe. We are talking about a universe where Space Marines routinely get impaled or limbs hacked off; daemons which burst out of some innocent sacrifice in a fountain of gore and viscera; officials, officers, and soldiers have crude cybernetic grafts from extensive campaigning; implants and psycho-conditioning that detonate the subject upon utterance of forbidden topics... I could go on.

"Sexy" isn't really a word I'd use to describe 40k. Except maybe the Emperor. Rawr.

Noble Ire · Post by **Noble Ire** » 2005-11-17 09:39pm

And upon further consideration, I should point out that 40k is not exactly a "pretty" universe. We are talking about a universe where Space Marines routinely get impaled or limbs hacked off; daemons which burst out of some innocent sacrifice in a fountain of gore and viscera; officials, officers, and soldiers have crude cybernetic grafts from extensive campaigning; implants and psycho-conditioning that detonate the subject upon utterance of forbidden topics... I could go on.

You know, that sounds oddly like Full Metal Alchemist, when their not too busy Fan-servicing Winry.

Imperial Overlord · Post by **Imperial Overlord** » 2005-11-17 09:45pm

Brother-Captain Gaius wrote:
Nevermind the 3rd-Edition-inspired nonsense of a Terminator being felled by a silly Warlock, but I digress...

Yes, because a former aspect warrior with well developed psychic powers, psychic force armour, and a force weapon is a shmuck. Marines aren't the only thing nerfed on the table top.

Adrian Laguna · Post by **Adrian Laguna** » 2005-11-17 10:24pm

Brother-Captain Gaius wrote:I would argue that that particular Flash clip is exactly why a 40k anime shouldn't be made. The anime-style fascination with swords, et al is just... yuck. Don't get me wrong, I like crazy ninja samurai sword crap as much as the next guy, but it's a huge disservice to the brutally Western atmosphere of the universe. When things get hit by Super Melee Weapons o' Doom™ in 40k, they don't get cut clean in half, they get fucking obliterated and turned into gooey red paste, with gibs flying everywhere. I am exaggerating of course, but that is a valid stylistic concern, something anime is not generally predisposed toward.

Nevermind the 3rd-Edition-inspired nonsense of a Terminator being felled by a silly Warlock, but I digress...

I was mostly refering to the art style and the battle scenes towards the begining of the movie. Your two complaints, focus on game mechanics rather than fluff, and the one about not enough gore can be easily fixed by the hypothetical studio that will do the theoreticla anime, actually doing some research. Since if they don't do any research, the show will be thrashed, bashed, and utterly ripped to pieces by outraged fans.

Brother-Captain Gaius · Post by **Brother-Captain Gaius** » 2005-11-17 10:39pm

Imperial Overlord wrote:Yes, because a former aspect warrior with well developed psychic powers, psychic force armour, and a force weapon is a shmuck. Marines aren't the only thing nerfed on the table top.

I'm well aware of a Warlock's power - if it was a normal or even veteran Marine I wouldn't really mind, I've no doubt a witchblade can cut clean through power armor. But it was at least two Terminators, for cryin' out loud, literally the elite of the elite.

I was mostly refering to the art style and the battle scenes towards the begining of the movie. Your two complaints, focus on game mechanics rather than fluff, and the one about not enough gore can be easily fixed by the hypothetical studio that will do the theoreticla anime, actually doing some research. Since if they don't do any research, the show will be thrashed, bashed, and utterly ripped to pieces by outraged fans.

How is samurai-style silliness a game mechanic issue? It's a stylistic issue through and through.

Imperial Overlord · Post by **Imperial Overlord** » 2005-11-17 10:42pm

Brother-Captain Gaius wrote: I'm well aware of a Warlock's power - if it was a normal or even veteran Marine I wouldn't really mind, I've no doubt a witchblade can cut clean through power armor. But it was at least two Terminators, for cryin' out loud, literally the elite of the elite.
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Sure its tough, but it is within the abilities of a suitably bad ass warlock.

Utsanomiko · Post by **Utsanomiko** » 2005-11-17 10:58pm

Jeepers, that flash animation was a mess, both in appearance and pace.

I think something with Warhammer 40K could work animated, but not necessarily 'anime' (and certainly not the way that one was dumped together, reminds me of those LEGO stop-motion films with that doesn't go anywhere and even the mindless action is too slow/incoherent). I think it could develop its own style to convey the setting and story properly, rather than fitting it into a culturally different style.

In a perfect world, it'd be CG with close to the quality and awesomeness of the Dawn of War opening. Now that's how you depict brutal shootouts and sword action.

Brother-Captain Gaius · Post by **Brother-Captain Gaius** » 2005-11-17 11:05pm

Imperial Overlord wrote:Sure its tough, but it is within the abilities of a suitably bad ass warlock.

Fair enough I suppose.

In a perfect world, it'd be CG with close to the quality and awesomeness of the Dawn of War opening. Now that's how you depict brutal shootouts and sword action.

Agreed x1000.

Imperial Overlord · Post by **Imperial Overlord** » 2005-11-17 11:08pm

Brother-Captain Gaius wrote:
In a perfect world, it'd be CG with close to the quality and awesomeness of the Dawn of War opening. Now that's how you depict brutal shootouts and sword action.
Agreed x1000.

Indeed.

DPDarkPrimus · Post by **DPDarkPrimus** » 2005-11-17 11:58pm

What about a more realistic style with a very drab color palette? Ala Witch Hunter Robin or the aforementioned Jin-Roh.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2005-11-18 12:15am

Nah, they should do it in the general mid-1980s style of sci-fi anime. That way it'll look awesome and everything will be done by hand, so when they cheat it won't look so crappy like it does when they cheat with digital animation.