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Re: Battlestar Galactica: Blood & Chrome

Postby CaptJodan » 2012-11-11 12:05am

I'm hoping the fake bleeping out will be removed on the DVD or something. It really is damned distracting otherwise. There's no reason to put it in if you're just going to have some tool clang into the microphone.

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Same here. That was a great shot, and it was good to see the old gal not battle damaged. It's surprising how up-gunned she is.
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Re: Battlestar Galactica: Blood & Chrome

Postby JLTucker » 2012-11-11 12:07am

The DVD and BD will be uncensored.

http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=9905

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Re: Battlestar Galactica: Blood & Chrome

Postby ray245 » 2012-11-11 02:22am

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Ahriman238 wrote:Mildly annoyed by Adama's indignant self-entitled whining when he finds out the military won't always let him do what he wants.

It fits his character. Do you recall "It's a military decision" in the original series?


Which one are you talking about? The 1979 series or the 2003 series?
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Re: Battlestar Galactica: Blood & Chrome

Postby Vympel » 2012-11-11 05:12am

JLTucker wrote:The DVD and BD will be uncensored.

http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=9905


Thank god, because it really is terrible censorship. They'd be better off just silencing the words.
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Re: Battlestar Galactica: Blood & Chrome

Postby JLTucker » 2012-11-11 10:16am

ray245 wrote:
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Ahriman238 wrote:Mildly annoyed by Adama's indignant self-entitled whining when he finds out the military won't always let him do what he wants.

It fits his character. Do you recall "It's a military decision" in the original series?


Which one are you talking about? The 1979 series or the 2003 series?

The new one. I wouldn't touch the 1979 series.

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Re: Battlestar Galactica: Blood & Chrome

Postby Soontir C'boath » 2012-11-11 10:35am

Vympel wrote:
JLTucker wrote:The DVD and BD will be uncensored.

http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=9905


Thank god, because it really is terrible censorship. They'd be better off just silencing the words.

I thought it was funny.
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Re: Battlestar Galactica: Blood & Chrome

Postby Skylon » 2012-11-12 09:32am

Seen enough to keep me watching I suppose. I am liking how busy Galactica's flight deck, and the ship in general seems. It serves as a good counter-point to Galactica of the series, and gives a better sense of Galactica's capabilities in her prime (especially in terms of the fighter compliment). I also like the little tweaks to the Raptor so it isn't identical to the one in the series. CiC however seemed a bit off in its layout though.
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Re: Battlestar Galactica: Blood & Chrome

Postby Slacker » 2012-11-12 10:34pm

It's what CiC looked like before Adama got ahold of her and ripped out all of the computers.
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Re: Battlestar Galactica: Blood & Chrome

Postby Themightytom » 2012-11-12 10:53pm

Slacker wrote:It's what CiC looked like before Adama got ahold of her and ripped out all of the computers.
Slacker wrote:It's what CiC looked like before Adama got ahold of her and ripped out all of the computers.


it would be interesting if that were a plot element here, like say the Acheron got it's ass kicked because the Cylons hacked it's systems and that was why they were bringing the software engineer over in the first place. Same thing happens to Galactica, but the big G survives thanks to their plucky viper pilots.

That would explain Adama's personal reluctance to network anything, however it was also be the elephant in the room for the entire series. "Gods damnit they hacked us again? This happens every fracking time.. NO Gaeta, you're not liniking them together, NO get Anders and his bath tub out of here!"

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Re: Battlestar Galactica: Blood & Chrome

Postby CaptJodan » 2012-11-12 11:07pm

So far I haven't seen any sign of the centurions that Adama and company should be most familiar with. We've seen, either in previews or what we've seen so far, are toasters that look much different than your standard Mk 1, oBSG toaster.
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Re: Battlestar Galactica: Blood & Chrome

Postby Themightytom » 2012-11-15 02:34pm

CaptJodan wrote:So far I haven't seen any sign of the centurions that Adama and company should be most familiar with. We've seen, either in previews or what we've seen so far, are toasters that look much different than your standard Mk 1, oBSG toaster.


maybe those are models in service at the end of the war, the webisoes had oldschool toasters, so did the last episodes of nBSG

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Re: Battlestar Galactica: Blood & Chrome

Postby Themightytom » 2012-11-15 02:34pm

CaptJodan wrote:So far I haven't seen any sign of the centurions that Adama and company should be most familiar with. We've seen, either in previews or what we've seen so far, are toasters that look much different than your standard Mk 1, oBSG toaster.


maybe those are models in service at the end of the war, the webisoes had oldschool toasters, so did the last episodes of nBSG

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Re: Battlestar Galactica: Blood & Chrome

Postby Skylon » 2012-11-15 10:58pm

Looking at the screenshots of Galactica, it seems those who derided Galactica's visible "ribbed" structure are vindicated. There is little to none of that visible, much more armor plating, and a lot more guns on Galactica in "Blood and Chrome". Guess by the time we meet her in the series, she had been stripped of some of her armor and guns. Maybe in preparation for retirement.

For comparison: Blood and Chrome - http://media.battlestarwiki.org/images/ ... arence.png
Galactica as seen in the series - http://media.battlestarwiki.org/images/ ... erview.jpg
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Re: Battlestar Galactica: Blood & Chrome

Postby Galvatron » 2012-11-16 12:35am

I noticed that too, but wasn't Galactica shown in the Razor flashbacks without all that armor?

I must say, I'm also loving the look of the Vipers in this as well. They seem a lot more textured and grey than the "museum pieces" did in the series.

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Re: Battlestar Galactica: Blood & Chrome

Postby CaptJodan » 2012-11-16 10:47pm

So the jump drives aboard the derelict battlestar were still active through that entire mess? The colonials build their battlestars to ridiculous levels of ruggedness.
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Re: Battlestar Galactica: Blood & Chrome

Postby Vympel » 2012-11-17 07:24am

Skylon wrote:Looking at the screenshots of Galactica, it seems those who derided Galactica's visible "ribbed" structure are vindicated. There is little to none of that visible, much more armor plating, and a lot more guns on Galactica in "Blood and Chrome". Guess by the time we meet her in the series, she had been stripped of some of her armor and guns. Maybe in preparation for retirement.

For comparison: Blood and Chrome - http://media.battlestarwiki.org/images/ ... arence.png
Galactica as seen in the series - http://media.battlestarwiki.org/images/ ... erview.jpg


Only partially vindicated, since we see in the intro to Blood and Chrome an 'armored' Galactica-type (which may even be the Galactica) next to two other Galactica-types without the armor plating, and less guns, just like in the original series.

So the more likely explanation is that Blood and Chrome is how the ship was originally designed, then they realised it was rubbish and stripped all the extra guns and armor off sometime before the end of the war (since we saw in the Razor flashbacks she looked like she did in the main series - whilst the Columbia was an intermediate design with the additional armor, but the standard number of guns)

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Re: Battlestar Galactica: Blood & Chrome

Postby J Ryan » 2012-11-17 07:25am

Skylon wrote:Looking at the screenshots of Galactica, it seems those who derided Galactica's visible "ribbed" structure are vindicated. There is little to none of that visible, much more armor plating, and a lot more guns on Galactica in "Blood and Chrome". Guess by the time we meet her in the series, she had been stripped of some of her armor and guns. Maybe in preparation for retirement.

For comparison: Blood and Chrome - http://media.battlestarwiki.org/images/ ... arence.png
Galactica as seen in the series - http://media.battlestarwiki.org/images/ ... erview.jpg


Well in the series, from what I recall a lot of the point defence on Galactica was located in between the ribs on the sides, whereas in Blood and Chrome, from that picture you posted they appear to be located along the top side, next to the main guns. Maybe at some point in between Galactica is refit and a decision was made, to give her less armour but that allowed to expose hardpoints for more point defence, that's recessed to make them less vulnerable to attack?

Also our first view of some of the Colonial military might that isn't battlestars. Osiris seems to be really cramped in comparison and has some sort of "stealth" system, that they lose if they launch anything.

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Re: Battlestar Galactica: Blood & Chrome

Postby Vympel » 2012-11-17 07:27am

J Ryan wrote:Also our first view of some of the Colonial military might that isn't battlestars. Osiris seems to be really cramped in comparison and has some sort of "stealth" system, that they lose if they launch anything.


It's AC system also sucks balls.

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Re: Battlestar Galactica: Blood & Chrome

Postby CaptJodan » 2012-11-17 10:21am

Vympel wrote:
J Ryan wrote:Also our first view of some of the Colonial military might that isn't battlestars. Osiris seems to be really cramped in comparison and has some sort of "stealth" system, that they lose if they launch anything.


It's AC system also sucks balls.


Osiris screamed "space submarine". The cramped interior, the "battle red" lighting, the hot conditions, and the stealth that would be lost if you tried to do anything meaningful.

Some of which is just non-nonsensical, like the poor AC units. But I suppose after 10 years of war, the Colonials have given up on optimizing creature comforts like proper airflow through the CIC.

If this were to have turned into a series, I would have liked to have seen when the Cylons started corrupting ship systems. Everything just looks a little too high tech to be operating under the assumption that the Cylons can hack in. Galactica's CIC for example. The reliance of Greystone tech for training, pleasure, and briefings for another.

In truth, there's a lot here that has the potential to screw up previous canon, some of which has already been discussed. In the opening of BSG's miniseries, we have the tour which describes Galactica as built during a time when technology was the enemy, yet we don't see evidence of that. She was still one of the original 12 Battlestars. When was she built? Has she served for almost 10 years already, or she one of the newest of the 12? If its the latter, there shouldn't be too many Battlestars in the fleet, and one of them we've already seen destroyed.

Where exactly Razor fits into all of this is also unclear. Obviously Razor is at the very end of the war, about 2 years later from what we're seeing now, yet I was always under the impression that Adama was a rookie then. Of course, I'd rather he not be, as Adama always struck me as a battle hardened soldier, not someone who had one fling with the Cylons before the war ended.
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Re: Battlestar Galactica: Blood & Chrome

Postby GrandMasterTerwynn » 2012-11-17 11:41am

CaptJodan wrote:
Vympel wrote:
J Ryan wrote:Also our first view of some of the Colonial military might that isn't battlestars. Osiris seems to be really cramped in comparison and has some sort of "stealth" system, that they lose if they launch anything.


It's AC system also sucks balls.


Osiris screamed "space submarine". The cramped interior, the "battle red" lighting, the hot conditions, and the stealth that would be lost if you tried to do anything meaningful.

Some of which is just non-nonsensical, like the poor AC units. But I suppose after 10 years of war, the Colonials have given up on optimizing creature comforts like proper airflow through the CIC.

For a "stealth" ship, the whole "poor AC" thing is one thing that actually makes sense. If you're trying to minimize emissions, one of the biggest sources of emissions is going to be your life-support plant; since empty space is a frosty 3 Kelvins, and humans don't function very well below about 280 Kelvin. So if you're not worried about stealth, then sure, your AC system will, at some point, dump the heat it's pulled out of your crew space into somewhere colder . . . like your cryonic fuel tanks, or hull-mounted radiators facing deep space. But if you are worried about stealth, all that shit stays inside your hull; and things just get warmer and warmer until such a time when you can safely dispose of your own waste heat.

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Re: Battlestar Galactica: Blood & Chrome

Postby andrewgpaul » 2012-11-17 01:57pm

CaptJodan wrote:Adama always struck me as a battle hardened soldier, not someone who had one fling with the Cylons before the war ended.


To be honest, he always seemed to me as someone whose career had been ... steady, but not spectacular. he worked his way up through the ranks with a decent enough record, no massive cock-ups but nothing really flashy, then sort of settled down after the war. His last command was as commander of a museum, after all. And then the world ends and we (and he) find out that behind a lifetime of mediocrity he is the hero after all.
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Re: Battlestar Galactica: Blood & Chrome

Postby Vympel » 2012-11-17 07:05pm

Well he was the commander of a museum because of the Valkyrie debacle.
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Re: Battlestar Galactica: Blood & Chrome

Postby Eternal_Freedom » 2012-11-17 08:37pm

Clearly the bucket had a refit sometime, just look at CIC and the flight decks.

Interestingly, judging by those pictures Skylon posted the ribbed sections on the dorsal bow in the miniseries seem to correspond with the position of those extra heavy turrets in Blood and Chrome.
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Re: Battlestar Galactica: Blood & Chrome

Postby Galvatron » 2012-11-17 10:10pm

And apparently the Osiris was carrying heretofore unseen Mark III Vipers. The evolutionary design of the basestar at Djerba was interesting too.

EDIT: Apparently that was also a Mark III that Adama was flying in the first episode. The engine nozzles and the cockpit canopies are the most noticeable visual differences, IMO.
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Re: Battlestar Galactica: Blood & Chrome

Postby Vympel » 2012-11-17 10:14pm

Galvatron wrote:And apparently the Osiris was carrying heretofore unseen Mark III Vipers. The evolutionary design of the basestar at Djerba was interesting too.


Pretty sure those were Mark III Vipers on the Galactica.

Anyway - I noticed that the 'ghost fleet' has several Valkyrie-type Battlestars (introduced in "Hero" back in Season 3 by flashback, and seen in greater detail in "The Plan" movie). That annoys me - I know they're there just to make up numbers and are sufficiently far away / indistinct so its not confirmed that's what they are, but I don't like that sort of lazyness, ever. The Valkyrie-type was clearly an advanced / "modern" Battlestar design.
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