Transformers: Dark of the Moon

[Magellan]

I hate to be Mr. Trailer Criticism guy again, but

1. Who thought it would be a good idea to give Shia a gun?
2. And holy crap the trailer music was wank. I just made up a new drinking game, drink every time you hear the epic horns.

I don't think it'll be very good as far as turn your brain off actioners go. What are your impressions?

[Crossroads Inc.]

Man I'm just getting sick of Sam shouting "OPTIMUS!!!!!" every 5min in the movie.

[Magellan]

Man I'm just getting sick of Sam shouting "OPTIMUS!!!!!" every 5min in the movie.

THANK YOU!!!

[RogueIce]

Eh, the only thing that really bugs me is that they're going with an asshole bureaucrat, again, and the government dicking with the Autobots, again, when you'd think they would have learned their lesson from the last movie.

Other than that, it looks like a decent turn-off-the-brain action movie, with plenty of special effects goodness. And I can only assume the Autobots are a secret thing is going right out the window after they've won the day.

One thing I wonder is, how will they utterly punk F-22s again in this movie?

[Vympel]

I like it how it looks like the Decepticons are just going to dominate in this film. There's not going to be nearly as much military-wank as in the last one, there's no awesome huge cavalry coming in to save the day.

Anyway, trailer looks good. They're still hiding Megatron from us, though we know what he looks like from the released toy images.

Shockwave looks badass.

[Ellindsey]

I know that I really, really shouldn't let little things like physics and logic bother me in a Michael Bay Movie, but when something crashes on the moon and leaves a visible train of fire and smoke as it skids across the surface, with clouds of dust somehow suspended in the vacuum around it ... apparently the moon has an oxygen atmosphere in the movie-transformers universe. Yeah, brainless action movie, I know, but it's not a good sign when I can't get five seconds into the trailer without by SOD breaking from physics abuse.

[NeoGoomba]

I wonder if that a Space Bridge forming on the moon?

[Setesh]

I know that I really, really shouldn't let little things like physics and logic bother me in a Michael Bay Movie, but when something crashes on the moon and leaves a visible train of fire and smoke as it skids across the surface, with clouds of dust somehow suspended in the vacuum around it ... apparently the moon has an oxygen atmosphere in the movie-transformers universe. Yeah, brainless action movie, I know, but it's not a good sign when I can't get five seconds into the trailer without by SOD breaking from physics abuse.

I didn't think the same, the flames and smoke are limited and seem to be coming from inside the ship. Why robots would need an atmosphere in their ship is a different question. As for the kicked up dust and smoke, as seen here from Apollo 17's mission videos, kicked up dust does not fall any faster on the moon, while there is no atmosphere to hold it in suspension the far lower gravity makes a difference. As the scene itself is a whopping 4 seconds, the ship looks to be the size of a small frigate, it would be more unrealistic if it fell in that time. I'm more surprised some of that dust didn't reach escape velocity.

[TithonusSyndrome]

If Optimus' comment that "the fight will be your own" implies that the Autobots will leave Earth at the end of the movie, then I gotta hand it to them, that's a nice gesture to provide some closure for the trilogy. Maybe the script will be a ton better in this one after all without the writer's strike in the way, which is setting the bar pretty low but whatever.

[Ellindsey]

It's not the kicked up dust that bothers me.

It's the kicked up dust that visibly lingers in the air as clouds that bothers me. You need air for that to happen. Also, the dust and smoke coming off the ship are visibly streaming backwards from the ship, which is what you would naturally expect if it's in an atmosphere, but in a vacuum would only happen if the ship was accelerating. And then there are the puffy clouds of expanding smoke, making shapes that you only get when expanding gas mixes turbulently with the surrounding atmosphere. And the tumbling pieces of debris leaving turbulent streamers of dust and smoke behind them. Fine dust and smoke particles just don't act like that in a vacuum.

Admittedly, it's a minor detail. I can't think of a single movie that actually bothered to take into account the way gas and dust behaves in a vacuum, and I shouldn't expect even remotely physics from either Michael Bay or Transformers movie. I expect that if the animators had actually managed to accurately depict an alien ship crashing on the moon, everyone would be complaining about how fake it looked, just like some moon hoax believers claim the Apollo films were faked because they don't look anything like how Hollywood would portray it.

[Sarevok]

Properly animating smoke and dust in vacuum would actually be a small technical milestone in film making. To best of my (albeit limited) knowledge there is no of the shelf software available that can accurately simulate particles in vacuum of space.

[Setesh]

Properly animating smoke and dust in vacuum would actually be a small technical milestone in film making. To best of my (albeit limited) knowledge there is no of the shelf software available that can accurately simulate particles in vacuum of space.

I suppose you could do it with a ship model in a vacuum chamber but that would probably expensive as nasa is one of the few places with vacuum chambers large enough to do it to a realistic scale.

[Sarevok]

I am not sure if a vacuum chamber be completely accurate either since there is still Earth gravity to contend with.

[mdiinican]

Film it with a high speed camera and slow down the final product to the appropriate level?

[DPDarkPrimus]

It's not the kicked up dust that bothers me.

It's the kicked up dust that visibly lingers in the air as clouds that bothers me. You need air for that to happen. Also, the dust and smoke coming off the ship are visibly streaming backwards from the ship, which is what you would naturally expect if it's in an atmosphere, but in a vacuum would only happen if the ship was accelerating. And then there are the puffy clouds of expanding smoke, making shapes that you only get when expanding gas mixes turbulently with the surrounding atmosphere. And the tumbling pieces of debris leaving turbulent streamers of dust and smoke behind them. Fine dust and smoke particles just don't act like that in a vacuum.

Admittedly, it's a minor detail. I can't think of a single movie that actually bothered to take into account the way gas and dust behaves in a vacuum, and I shouldn't expect even remotely physics from either Michael Bay or Transformers movie. I expect that if the animators had actually managed to accurately depict an alien ship crashing on the moon, everyone would be complaining about how fake it looked, just like some moon hoax believers claim the Apollo films were faked because they don't look anything like how Hollywood would portray it.

Yeah they do it like that because if they do it like how it would actually look people will think it's unrealistic.

[Magellan]

I think they're just showing off the 3D, don't overthink it.

[Sarevok]

Well this is Stardestroyet.net. Calculating kilotons from how dust moves is what we do.

[LadyTevar]

Other than the sidetrack into Moon Dust....

That was a Space Bridge... and the One-Eye is certainly Shockwave. What the snaky thing cutting the building in have is, I have No Clue.

[DarkSilver]

Kinda reminds me of one of those Transorganic experiemnts of the Quintessons we saw in Season 3 of G1

[Imperial Overlord]

Kinda reminds me of one of those Transorganic experiemnts of the Quintessons we saw in Season 3 of G1

Reminds me of Soundwave jacking the satellite in the second movie.

[2000AD]

Ooooooohhhhh ..... shiny .... look at the shiny shiny.

On a more serious note, Shockwave is awesome, hopefully he kicks an appropriate amount of ass.
And apparently I'm in the minority as I quite like the live action transforemrs movies and I'm really looking forward to this one.

[DPDarkPrimus]

A lot of us liked the first film, but Revenge of the Fallen was panned, at best.

[Molyneux]

A lot of us liked the first film, but Revenge of the Fallen was panned, at best.

I enjoyed...well...the first scene of RotF. In Hong Kong? Aside from that, yeah, it was schlock.

[wautd]

At least it can't be worse than Transformers 2 right? Or can it...

[Serafina]

At least it can't be worse than Transformers 2 right? Or can it...

Transformers 2 had a railgun shooting a giant robot, and some other robots being blown up by aerial bombardment.
That's about all i remember about that movie, and those scenes weren't bad