nBSG: LDYB Pt 2 thread

Post by **LadyTevar** » 2006-03-12 12:31pm

JME2 wrote:
Grandmaster Jogurt wrote:Something I was wondering about: why did Gina have Baltar stay with her? She appeared to still have her aversion to physical contact; she must have had a good reason to subject herself to that, then. What was it?
My feeling is that with the Ressurection Ship gone, she knew that once the nuke went off, it was game over once and for all. Since the Six's were engineered with a greater focus on sexuality, it's possible that she wanted to experience it one last time before the big boom.

And it would really send Baltar off the deep end, as we saw. I think that's another reason why Baltar's such a shitty president.

Knife · Post by **Knife** » 2006-03-12 12:36pm

Skylon wrote:A note on the "why not scrap the ships and use them as shelter" arguement.

Maybe cooler heads prevailed here and realized "if the Cylons do show up, we should be able to run like hell"?

In retrospect I'm having a hard time believing what the heck happened with Galactica and Pegasu. I'd have expected the ships to maybe have a rotation of crew members going to down to the surface for a few months, then returning to their posts, and so on. Not this full up "okay, anyone who wants off the ship, go down there."

The disrepair I can buy, as the civilians would want any construction materials found going to the planet.

The total degradation of the military, abandonment is more like it, is the part I really don't like about the episode. The rest was well done, but the atrophied battlestars sucks.

Either the two battlestars and the other handful of ships that jumped with them just go, and you have a real basic reset button on the show, just with a slightly smaller 'fleet'.

Or you have two way underequiped battlestars doing a guerilla style war on the colony to kill Cylons intermingled with humans. He likes his analogies with modern day, he can play I v P.

BTW, if Ron Moore has any balls, he'd drop the 'tweleve colonies' bit and shorten it down to 'Colony'.

Post by **LadyTevar** » 2006-03-12 12:42pm

Skylon wrote:A note on the "why not scrap the ships and use them as shelter" arguement.

Maybe cooler heads prevailed here and realized "if the Cylons do show up, we should be able to run like hell"?

In retrospect I'm having a hard time believing what the heck happened with Galactica and Pegasu. I'd have expected the ships to maybe have a rotation of crew members going to down to the surface for a few months, then returning to their posts, and so on. Not this full up "okay, anyone who wants off the ship, go down there."

The disrepair I can buy, as the civilians would want any construction materials found going to the planet.

I think the ships still in orbit may have been those that were unable to make planetfall. The one with the ring, for example. How are you going to get that on the ground?
Even the Galactica would be a beached whale on the ground, no landing gear could honestly support such a massive ship, even if you could find a large enough site to park her. Look at how much space Colonial One took up in the city shots, and then recall the size comparision when Galactica and C1 were flying side-by-side.

Somehow, I doubt Galactica could float like an Asgard Belisknor or a SW Acclamator.

Braedley · Post by **Braedley** » 2006-03-12 01:03pm

Watched the episode last light, so a few things:
Holy shit, they did blow up Cloud Nine, and holy shit, that image with the toasters walking through the city wasn't a photoshop.
Good show overall in my opinion.

FSTargetDrone · Post by **FSTargetDrone** » 2006-03-12 01:38pm

I'm endlessly amused about Tyrol:

He ends up fathering the child of and living with the same woman he nearly beat to death (accidentally) within a year or so of her shooting his ex-lover to death.

Outstanding!

Skylon · Post by **Skylon** » 2006-03-12 01:41pm

LadyTevar wrote:.I think the ships still in orbit may have been those that were unable to make planetfall. The one with the ring, for example. How are you going to get that on the ground?
Even the Galactica would be a beached whale on the ground, no landing gear could honestly support such a massive ship, even if you could find a large enough site to park her. Look at how much space Colonial One took up in the city shots, and then recall the size comparision when Galactica and C1 were flying side-by-side.

Somehow, I doubt Galactica could float like an Asgard Belisknor or a SW Acclamator.

I was actually referring to the ships that landed on the planet. I saw a few people ask why weren't ships like those and some of the Raptors weren't scrapped for building materials.

FSTargetDrone · Post by **FSTargetDrone** » 2006-03-12 01:46pm

Apologies if this has been addressed before, but I was under the impression that at least one of the Raptors (and perhaps more of them?) was used as a sort of planet-to-space comm station. It seemed as if the particular Raptor that Starbuck used to talk to Lee was at least partially intact, though evidently surrounded by the tent city and shacks. I need to watch that part of the episode again and check it out in detail.

Skylon · Post by **Skylon** » 2006-03-12 01:51pm

FSTargetDrone wrote:Apologies if this has been addressed before, but I was under the impression that at least one of the Raptors (and perhaps more of them?) was used as a sort of planet-to-space comm station. It seemed as if the particular Raptor that Starbuck used to talk to Lee was at least partially intact, though evidently surrounded by the tent city and shacks. I need to watch that part of the episode again and check it out in detail.

Yeah, it looked like at least that Raptor had been used as a glorified phone-booth. Possibly could still fly, depending on how hell the things hold up just sitting on the ground in varying weather conditions. And if it was on the ground the full year.

Metrion Cascade · Post by **Metrion Cascade** » 2006-03-12 02:09pm

I ran into the first broadcast while I was flipping channels, and saw the male Cylon telling Baltar about detecting the nuke. I decided to turn it off until I could watch the whole thing from the beginning, and the whole time I was wondering how they detected radiation so quickly from more than a light year away.

Then I saw it from the beginning.

Gaius Baltar is the devil. The devil, I tells ya!

And it's nice to see the writers setting up such a monumental challenge for themselves next season.

~40,000 survivors...totally screwed. Or are they?

Oh, and losing Cloud Nine is pretty lame. I thought they'd off the Pegasus with that nuke.

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2006-03-12 02:16pm

I like how they've spent the last two seasons of nBSG building up Baltar's character; he's now an utterly irredeemable scumbag; it's far more realistic than evil twirling moustache Baltar from oBSG ordering cylons around from the start; and yes; I think he finally snapped with Cloud Nine's destruction.

StarshipTitanic · Post by **StarshipTitanic** » 2006-03-12 02:38pm

Skylon wrote:I was actually referring to the ships that landed on the planet. I saw a few people ask why weren't ships like those and some of the Raptors weren't scrapped for building materials.

There's no reason to scrap a Raptor to build a tiny home out of it. As for the other ships, we don't know which can land and which can't. Unless someone can provide screenshots, I'm fairly certain only Colonial One landed.

FSTargetDrone · Post by **FSTargetDrone** » 2006-03-12 02:38pm

MKSheppard wrote:I like how they've spent the last two seasons of nBSG building up Baltar's character; he's now an utterly irredeemable scumbag; it's far more realistic than evil twirling moustache Baltar from oBSG ordering cylons around from the start; and yes; I think he finally snapped with Cloud Nine's destruction.

As an aside, it was a nice visual transition. He puts he head down on the desk after Adama leaves following the report of the stolen nuke, then when he lifts his head up again he's well into his presidency and living in rather luxurious conditions.

At the beginning one could argue that he was at best an unwitting accomplice of Six, giving her the technical details of the Colonial defenses, essentially in exchange for getting in her pants. But now, he is really in deep after handing another Six a nuclear weapon. Surely he did so anticipating it would be used against the fleet.

Skylon wrote:Yeah, it looked like at least that Raptor had been used as a glorified phone-booth. Possibly could still fly, depending on how hell the things hold up just sitting on the ground in varying weather conditions. And if it was on the ground the full year.

From the apparent crowding of tents and such around the Raptor, it would take awhile to clear all of that away so the thing could lift off without causing all kinds of havoc. It powered up fairly quickly with an audible sound, so whatever Starbuck turned on (batteries, some sort of generator?) in the back of the ship to use its comm gear, it probably isn't left on all of the time.

StarshipTitanic · Post by **StarshipTitanic** » 2006-03-12 02:47pm

David Eick's videoblog was updated on Friday (I just noticed). It certainly is an interesting one.

StarshipTitanic · Post by **StarshipTitanic** » 2006-03-12 02:59pm

Interesting. I was watching the 18th video blog and the prop guy mentioned why the season 1 pistol was taken out. He said the gun only held 6 rounds and it had to be taken apart to reload it.

StarshipTitanic · Post by **StarshipTitanic** » 2006-03-12 03:00pm

Damnit, ghetto edit: Specifically, the season 1 gun was a revolver, thus they had to remove all the dressing to reload.

FSTargetDrone · Post by **FSTargetDrone** » 2006-03-12 03:05pm

StarshipTitanic wrote:Damnit, ghetto edit: Specifically, the season 1 gun was a revolver, thus they had to remove all the dressing to reload.

Interesting. I wonder if we will see the Colonials building firearms, to explain any new prop gun designs. Especially if such weapons in universe are built in secret if the occupation of New Caprica is to turn violent. I suspect we may see the Cylons requiring all weapons to be surrendered.

Skylon · Post by **Skylon** » 2006-03-12 04:21pm

StarshipTitanic wrote:Damnit, ghetto edit: Specifically, the season 1 gun was a revolver, thus they had to remove all the dressing to reload.

That's too bad. I really liked the season 1 sidearm. Reminded me of the gun from Blade Runner.

Skylon · Post by **Skylon** » 2006-03-12 04:25pm

StarshipTitanic wrote:There's no reason to scrap a Raptor to build a tiny home out of it. As for the other ships, we don't know which can land and which can't. Unless someone can provide screenshots, I'm fairly certain only Colonial One landed.

More than just Colonial One:

http://www.galacticastation.com/Galacti ... cap503.htm

Calrissian · Post by **Calrissian** » 2006-03-12 04:27pm

As someone who felt deeply let down that missy president didn't die of cancer, BSG has ended it's second season well.

Just where the hell are we headed in this story though? An utter minefield lies ahead for Moore, hopefully he will listen to at least a few of his 'fans', and it'll at least be good for another year or two.
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Best part of the show...
Seeing Adama get the hell outta there at the end.
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I had initially hoped he'd just continue on the Earth search, but that seems not plausible since the two Battlestars are running on barely enough crew to function. So, Adama et al will have to come back...if only to pick up a few thousand people.

*ohh, and WTF do people still believe the teasers are good? As many have said, they are stupid and are playing to the idiots. To actually show a glimpse of cloud'9 being blown to bits at the start, jeez, what sorta dumb ass really thinks thats a good idea? If the producers of the DVD sets had any sense, they'd edit out the stupid teasers.

October seems a very long way away.

StarshipTitanic · Post by **StarshipTitanic** » 2006-03-12 04:58pm

Skylon wrote:
StarshipTitanic wrote:There's no reason to scrap a Raptor to build a tiny home out of it. As for the other ships, we don't know which can land and which can't. Unless someone can provide screenshots, I'm fairly certain only Colonial One landed.
More than just Colonial One:

http://www.galacticastation.com/Galacti ... cap503.htm

Thank you! Interesting, they stuck both the new and old shuttle in. I was hoping the old one would make an appearance outside the miniseries!

The ship on the left looks vaguely like the Astral Queen's stern from what I remember in the original series. Baltar did mention throwing the striker's ringleaders into detention.

FSTargetDrone · Post by **FSTargetDrone** » 2006-03-12 05:31pm

StarshipTitanic wrote:Thank you! Interesting, they stuck both the new and old shuttle in. I was hoping the old one would make an appearance outside the miniseries!

The ship on the left looks vaguely like the Astral Queen's stern from what I remember in the original series. Baltar did mention throwing the striker's ringleaders into detention.

At least one or two of those shuttles have been seen in a landing bay of the Cloud 9 just outboard of the large translucent dome in this episode (as well as some others--it appears to be a stock shot).

RedImperator · Post by **RedImperator** » 2006-03-12 05:34pm

Anyone notice the religious fanatic who tried to steal the election has her name in red on the board, while her opponent is in blue?

StarshipTitanic · Post by **StarshipTitanic** » 2006-03-12 05:39pm

FSTargetDrone wrote:At least one or two of those shuttles have been seen in a landing bay of the Cloud 9 just outboard of the large translucent dome in this episode (as well as some others--it appears to be a stock shot).

The original shuttle? I think the ones aboard the Cloud Nine were the new versions.

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2006-03-12 05:43pm

RedImperator wrote:Anyone notice the religious fanatic who tried to steal the election has her name in red on the board, while her opponent is in blue?

Hey now, the religious fanatic was RIGHT! She was correct that if baltar was elected; everything would be fucked up!

FSTargetDrone · Post by **FSTargetDrone** » 2006-03-12 06:22pm

StarshipTitanic wrote:
FSTargetDrone wrote:At least one or two of those shuttles have been seen in a landing bay of the Cloud 9 just outboard of the large translucent dome in this episode (as well as some others--it appears to be a stock shot).
The original shuttle? I think the ones aboard the Cloud Nine were the new versions.

Hm, good question. The one shot of some shuttles in the Cloud 9's bay seem to at least generally match the ones on the ground next to Colonial One on New Caprica in overall outline, if not size. Unfortuantely I cannot find screenshots of the same bay just now (I am fairly certain it is a stock shot seen in past episodes) nor can I grab any shots from the season finale because I only have it on crappy video tape for the moment.

Actually, don't the new shuttles generally follow the design of the shuttles seen in oBSG? Is that what you mean?

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