Jaffa and Klingons (TNG).

[Murazor]

Considering that the ridgeheaded aliens and the snakeheads' slaves are pretty matched up in quality as ground troops (piss poor).

a) Who would win if a group of ten Jaffa were to fight ten klingons in the open?
b) Same as a, but in a forest (don't know if things actually change for the klingons, but Jaffa seem to be a little better in forests by using trees as cover).
c) Individual jaffa vs individual klingon: who is better in unarmed fight? and with an staff? and with a blade?
d) How many klingons would be needed to take control of the excepcionally well defended Stargate used by Hator?
e) How many jaffa would be needed to storm a heavily defended klingon ground position?
f) How do things change if every Jaffa and Klingon switch universes (Note: Worf=Teal'c)?

[Keevan_Colton]

a) The Jaffa take it, they will fire at range and as things close, the staff weapon is superior enough in melee that they should be able to overwhelm the klingons. Nevermind how things go if they get Zats.

b) In a forest, depending on how dense it is, the Jaffa take it just as easily, the klingons often seem to lack tactical abilities of any kind when combat ensues. The Jaffa do operate well at a squad level.

c) This is a little trickier, unarmed...if they are skilled in the martial arts demonstrated in the episode with the rebel jaffa, then the advantage again lies with the jaffa, if not, its up in arms. Dagger v. Staff....are you mad? Staff takes it, reach advantage and in melee they know how to use them.

d) Wave after wave.

e) It would depend on the exact set up, but likely, less waves than the klingons would need. The Jaffa have grenades, ranged and melee weapons. The klingons should also have these sorts of things, but seem to prefer the "AAARGH!" strategy.

f) Oh boy, well, SG-1 would be much less interesting. The Tau'ri would have a way easier time against the armies of the system lords. In ST, the Trill would get serious envy of how much better the Jaffa are at the "symbiote in the belly" thing, and if they were used as ground forces....the results would likely be better than when klingons are used.

[justifier]

I think on the ground Jaffa would be the most serious threat ST has yet faced

[GrandMasterTerwynn]

Considering that the ridgeheaded aliens and the snakeheads' slaves are pretty matched up in quality as ground troops (piss poor).

Wrong. The Jaffa have been occasionally known to take cover. They also have sidearms and grenades if they need them. They also have better close-air support and more substantial squad support weapons. They are vastly superior to the Klingons, who abandon their pistols for batleths at every opportunity.

a) Who would win if a group of ten Jaffa were to fight ten klingons in the open?

Jaffa win. Jaffa have staff weapons and Zats. Klingons have disruptors, which they will likely abandon for batleths after taking a few badly aimed shots.

b) Same as a, but in a forest (don't know if things actually change for the klingons, but Jaffa seem to be a little better in forests by using trees as cover).

Jaffa win. The Jaffa have been known to set up ambushes that can overwhelm a properly equipped military force.

c) Individual jaffa vs individual klingon: who is better in unarmed fight? and with an staff? and with a blade?

The Jaffa staff doesn't have the same ergonomics as a batleth. A Jaffa might have the advantage of reach over the Klingon. The knife-fight is more even though, since both Klingons and Jaffa are claimed to be stronger than the bog-standard human.

d) How many klingons would be needed to take control of the excepcionally well defended Stargate used by Hator?

Enough of them that their idiotic scream-and-leap tactics eventually overwhelm the Jaffa superiority at ranged combat through attrition.

e) How many jaffa would be needed to storm a heavily defended klingon ground position?

Not nearly as many Jaffa as Klingons from the last scenario, once the bombers and death gliders are through. And the Jaffa can pick off the Klingons mostly at their leisure.

[NecronLord]

Considering that the ridgeheaded aliens and the snakeheads' slaves are pretty matched up in quality as ground troops (piss poor).

Not true. The basic Jaffa is not entirely stupid, and is considerably more threatening in my considered opinion.

[wautd]

Considering that the ridgeheaded aliens and the snakeheads' slaves are pretty matched up in quality as ground troops (piss poor).

Not true. The basic Jaffa is not entirely stupid, and is considerably more threatening in my considered opinion.

agreed, there are a lot more worse sci-fi soldiers than Jaffa. And its only normal they perform lesser against main caracters

[Crazedwraith]

d) How many klingons would be needed to take control of the excepcionally well defended Stargate used by Hator?

If we consider Hathor's Energy shield that the klingons can't penatrate: no number of the dumbasses could do it.

Without the energy sheild, you would need thousands if not millions and then i wouldn't bet on them manageing it.

[NecronLord]

agreed, there are a lot more worse sci-fi soldiers than Jaffa. And its only normal they perform lesser against main caracters

They're good at what they do, namely terrorising superstisious peoples. We tend to forget in watching the Jaffa get owned by modern troops, that the likes of the Klingons would get owned just as badly or rather, moreso...