Anime and Incest

SyntaxVorlon · Post by **SyntaxVorlon** » 2003-07-17 11:35am

It's a deep connection between Greek and Japanese theatrical schools.

Beware of Hubris, falling noble characters may cause relations with parents, a burning sensation in the wax wings, or destruction of Roman Republic.

Typhonis 1 · Post by **Typhonis 1** » 2003-07-17 01:41pm

Technically speaking Ayeka and Yosho are related only through Azuza ,they have different mothers, and given that Tenchi is Yoshos grandson there may not be much of an incestuous bent

Eframepilot · Post by **Eframepilot** » 2003-07-17 02:13pm

It's not Tenchi and Ayeka that bothers me, it's Ayeka and Yosho. In Episode 2 she was searching for Yosho to marry him. Supposedly the marriage of half-brother and half-sister was allowed in ancient Japan, or so I've heard. This wasn't unique to Japan, of course; pharaohs took their sisters as queens, and in the Old Testament Abraham (or another patriarch) explains that his wife is his half-sister. Bleah.

Baron Mordo · Post by **Baron Mordo** » 2003-07-17 07:19pm

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:What I'm saying is that they didn't have any deeper meaning. I know that they spend a few years on research, but that doesn't mean that any of it was purposely symbolic. They just used them for the sake of using them, regardless on whether they checked for accuracy.

The Eva Otaku FAQ wrote:Q) Is there religious meaning to Evangelion?

A) No.
That is what I am refering to.

Who wrote that FAQ?

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2003-07-17 07:31pm

Brendan Jamieson with most translations by Bochan Bird.

http://www.evaotaku.com/

It's one of the few FAQs that uses direct official evidence and sources.

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2003-07-18 06:16am

Partially it goes back to the fact that family trees that don't fork are very common amoung most nobility.

Eleas · Post by **Eleas** » 2003-07-18 07:52am

Eframepilot wrote: So, have I found some sort of disturbing pattern, or should I seek counseling? Or both?

No, I don't think you're imagining things. However, I think this is just part of the Japanise schoolgirl ideal, where the ideal woman is a naïve waif with big tits and submissive disposition.

Darth_Shinji · Post by **Darth_Shinji** » 2003-07-18 11:59am

I don't think there is not that much incest in anime. We have like 5 examples in anime released in the englisdh world and I bet if we scourge up werstern films we could find alot more. While it does tend to be less used for a distrubing atmosphere (thro it has been). I take it as more of relaxed atmosphere on it(Not that they aprove of incest, just that it happens less over there and is more of a common seanse law than a moral taboo). So they use it in other ways then we do in telling stories.

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2003-07-18 02:03pm

I can name at least two in AMI's top 20....

One's "The Magnificant <Ambersons?>", "The Manchurian Canidate" (Hmm, the red queen's his mother, he's WAY too close to his mother), "Psycho" (Let's not go there, but it is explained why Norman is that way), "Midnight Cowboy" (also explains why "Cowboy" is that fucked up)

Shadowhawk · Post by **Shadowhawk** » 2003-07-18 08:09pm

You'll also note that the 'big brother/little sister' relationships are pretty much all one-sided, the little sister tends to be young and just discovering her first crushes, the big brother tends to be idealized and absent, and the little sister has a somewhat unhappy home life. These sort of relationships would probably dissolve as the girl grows up.
You can almost imagine Keitaro and Kanako laughing about her crush when they're both in their 30s.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2003-07-18 08:17pm

The Yosemite Bear wrote:I can name at least two in AMI's top 20....

One's "The Magnificant <Ambersons?>", "The Manchurian Canidate" (Hmm, the red queen's his mother, he's WAY too close to his mother), "Psycho" (Let's not go there, but it is explained why Norman is that way), "Midnight Cowboy" (also explains why "Cowboy" is that fucked up)

And...?

So what?

Sriad · Post by **Sriad** » 2003-07-18 08:20pm

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:What I'm saying is that they didn't have any deeper meaning. I know that they spend a few years on research, but that doesn't mean that any of it was purposely symbolic. They just used them for the sake of using them, regardless on whether they checked for accuracy.

The Eva Otaku FAQ wrote:Q) Is there religious meaning to Evangelion?

A) No. Evangelion is not, and never was a religious anime and does not contain any direct commentary on the world's religions. The Judeo-Christian elements it contains are simply plot devices used to convey the story. Nothing more.

The cross shaped explosions, the Kabalah, and all other references do have religious roots and do have relevance to Evangelion but it is very important to remember that Eva is a work of fiction and should not have it's symbols taken that seriously. I think that Mamorou Oshii (director of "Ghost in The Shell" and "Patlabor") described religious elements in anime best when he said "These are used as the prototype for the stories; not for religious reasons, but for ideology and literary inspiration".

Finally, at the Otakon anime convention held in 2001, assistant director Kazuya Tsurumaki (who was the director of The End of Evangelion: Episode 25' Air - while Anno personally undetook The End of Evangelion: Episode 26' Sincerely Yours and acted as Chief Director) was asked directly what relvance Christianity had to Evangelion. This was his reply:
Tsurumaki: There are a lot of giant robot shows in Japan, and we did want our story to have a religious theme to help distinguish us.
Because Christianity is an uncommon religion in Japan we thought it would be mysterious. None of the staff who worked on Eva are Christians.
There is no actual Christian meaning to the show, we just thought the visual symbols of Christianity look cool. If we had known the show would get
distributed in the US and Europe we might have rethought that choice.

So, while Evangelion's basic plot elements are borrowed from some religious texts and myths, they merely act as inspiration for a different story. They are just there for aesthetics. Evangelion also borrowed several elements from earlier Tomino anime shows. Evangelion owes more to Ideon, than it does to Revelation.
That is what I am refering to.

The way I interperate this is that Adam/Lilith/etc in Evangelion are meant to be the literal ancestors of humanity, but that the anime itself isn't a critique of Chritianity. So it's accurate to say that it is the literal Adam, but Gainax just doesn't want to hurt anyone's feelings.
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Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2003-07-18 08:22pm

But they are obviously not. That's just what they were classified by SEELE from what was written in the SDSS.

Sriad · Post by **Sriad** » 2003-07-18 08:24pm

Oh, and here's a mini-article with some recent incest incidents in the American movie industry.

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Sriad · Post by **Sriad** » 2003-07-18 08:30pm

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:But they are obviously not. That's just what they were classified by SEELE from what was written in the SDSS.

When someone says something is obvious, they're really saying "I can't prove this, or I'm too lazy."

At least, that's what my calculus teacher told me. Maybe it's different in anime.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2003-07-18 08:32pm

What personally bothers me more is how the film industry sensationalises and romanticises infidelity. It's almost to the point where it seems like they're amost against the idea of faithfulness and marriage...

psyburn21 · Post by **psyburn21** » 2003-07-19 12:29am

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:What personally bothers me more is how the film industry sensationalises and romanticises infidelity. It's almost to the point where it seems like they're amost against the idea of faithfulness and marriage...

True, but it does happen alot in reallife so I guess it's the whole art imitates life, life imitates art thing.

Hamel · Post by **Hamel** » 2003-07-20 01:42am

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:What personally bothers me more is how the film industry sensationalises and romanticises infidelity. It's almost to the point where it seems like they're amost against the idea of faithfulness and marriage...

My left ankles think you highly exaggerate the glorifying of infidelity in hollywood. Consider TV. Look at the Cosby show and every family sitcom. Hell, almost any sitcom glorifies christian peity and fidelity.

Utsanomiko · Post by **Utsanomiko** » 2003-07-20 01:56am

Hamel wrote:
Spanky The Dolphin wrote:What personally bothers me more is how the film industry sensationalises and romanticises infidelity. It's almost to the point where it seems like they're amost against the idea of faithfulness and marriage...

My left ankles think you highly exaggerate the glorifying of infidelity in hollywood. Consider TV. Look at the Cosby show and every family sitcom. Hell, almost any sitcom glorifies christian peity and fidelity.

Using that logic, look at how all sitcoms shun the sadistic necrophilliac bestiality lifestyle. When was the last time you saw Raymond in his basement having sex with a half-discected housecat? I doubt everybody loves Raymond now.

Oh, and TV /= Hollywood. A large amount of Hollywood films rely on the plot device of the protagonist finding love outside their dismal relationship, when less than 10% of all affairs involve finding love.

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