Zach Snyder's Justice League

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Re: Zach Snyder's Justice League

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GuppyShark wrote: 2021-04-07 11:23pm You've heard wrong.

Every member of the League matters in this cut. They needed to work together to defeat Steppenwolf, whereas in the original Superman just kinda shows up and single handedly saves the day.
Honestly, I have my doubts about that.

I mean, even if they all work together to stop Steppenwolf, there changing the Superman Resurrection Fight Scene to something that doesn't make the league look bad is only going to go so far in not making it as if he overshadows them entirely.

But, again, I could be wrong on that. My point was, Superman showing up and saving the day is just one aspect of that sort of portrayal, and it's going to be hard to minimize it no matter what they do.

That, and after seeing that clip of Wonder Woman vaporizing a guy and then turning to a girl who wants to grow up and be like her, which she encourages...

I'm just... it looked like the parody origin of a supervillain.

Throw in some philosophical distinctions, tiredness of the desperation to be 'taken seriously' in an inherently silly subgenre as a tone ("Adolescent Storytelling" to draw on C.S. Lewis), and I just can't muster up the interest.
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Imagine if the MCU superheroes were held to the same standard of moral perfection as their DC counterparts are.
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Galvatron wrote: 2021-04-08 10:13pm Imagine if the MCU superheroes were held to the same standard of moral perfection as their DC counterparts are.
I guess all of the charming quips really cover up the sins.
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Majin Gojira wrote: 2021-04-08 02:36pm
GuppyShark wrote: 2021-04-07 11:23pm You've heard wrong.

Every member of the League matters in this cut. They needed to work together to defeat Steppenwolf, whereas in the original Superman just kinda shows up and single handedly saves the day.
Honestly, I have my doubts about that.

I mean, even if they all work together to stop Steppenwolf, there changing the Superman Resurrection Fight Scene to something that doesn't make the league look bad is only going to go so far in not making it as if he overshadows them entirely.

But, again, I could be wrong on that. My point was, Superman showing up and saving the day is just one aspect of that sort of portrayal, and it's going to be hard to minimize it no matter what they do.

That, and after seeing that clip of Wonder Woman vaporizing a guy and then turning to a girl who wants to grow up and be like her, which she encourages...

I'm just... it looked like the parody origin of a supervillain.

Throw in some philosophical distinctions, tiredness of the desperation to be 'taken seriously' in an inherently silly subgenre as a tone ("Adolescent Storytelling" to draw on C.S. Lewis), and I just can't muster up the interest.
The best Superman stories are the ones he doesn't just punch his way out of.

This is one of those stories.

Yes, when he fights the league, he can outpunch them. That doesn't save the world.
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Galvatron wrote: 2021-04-08 10:13pm Imagine if the MCU superheroes were held to the same standard of moral perfection as their DC counterparts are.
Imagine if you actually tried to defend the film instead of just calling people hypocrites.
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Defending it is pointless. I'm not going to change anyone's mind.
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Galvatron wrote: 2021-04-08 10:13pm Imagine if the MCU superheroes were held to the same standard of moral perfection as their DC counterparts are.
The MCU heroes are flawed but they also have enough good to balance out the bad (Tony Stark is a deeply damaged man but he also has plenty of kind and selfless acts to balance it out; Steve is a paragon but also makes mistakes and does stupid things).
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Re: Zach Snyder's Justice League

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GuppyShark wrote: 2021-04-07 11:23pm
Majin Gojira wrote: 2021-04-07 10:16amUnless I'm hearing wrong, but one of the key problems with this film was, well, the Justice League itself doesn't matter. This isn't even a Justice League Plot, it's a Superman plot. The entire film revolves around Superman, even his absence is pivotal to the plot.

And the league is utterly useless without him. They can't stand up to Steppenwolf without him. They can't match him even working together. None of it.
You've heard wrong.

Every member of the League matters in this cut. They needed to work together to defeat Steppenwolf, whereas in the original Superman just kinda shows up and single handedly saves the day.
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Also, the film sets up that while Superman is pretty handy, he's also a massive fucking liability. It's great when he is on their side, but if they lose him by losing Lois it's Knightmare time. That's one of my favourite things about the Batman/Superman relationship in this.
"Oh no, oh yeah, tell me how can it be so fair
That we dying younger hiding from the police man over there
Just for breathing in the air they wanna leave me in the chair
Electric shocking body rocking beat streeting me to death"

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