Harry Potter: Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes of Grindlewald Trailer.

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Harry Potter: Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes of Grindlewald Trailer.

Post by The Romulan Republic » 2018-03-13 06:20pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sEaYB4rLFQ

So... a bit of Hogwarts, and younger Dumbledore. The look seems a bit off but the performance seems pretty good. Still not sold on Grindle-Depp's look, and I'm disappointed that it seems to be focussing more on the fight with Grindlewald than on the creatures, but at least it may be a more coherent movie than the last one, which felt like a light-hearted adventure/buddy comedy and a dark suspense/horror film awkwardly mashed together.

It looks like it'll be mostly in Europe this time. IIRC, the intent is to have each film focus on a different part of the magical world, which I approve of. It broadens the setting and gives us a better idea of the Wizarding World outside Britain.
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Re: Harry Potter: Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes of Grindlewald Trailer.

Post by Crazedwraith » 2018-03-13 06:56pm

Plenty of sizzle there. I especially like the thestral drawn carriage.

I'm still a bit dubious about the Grindelwald/Dumbles story line. I didn't think they needed to do the epic, there would been plenty of material in just Newt's research and world tour.

Ah well. Hope it will be good anyway .
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Re: Harry Potter: Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes of Grindlewald Trailer.

Post by The Romulan Republic » 2018-03-13 07:38pm

If we're seeing a lot of Hogwarts and Dumbledore...

Well, its too early now, but I wonder, depending on how large a time span the films cover, weather we might see young Tom Riddle at some point as well.

But the main appeal for me in these films is expanding the scope of the setting.
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Re: Harry Potter: Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes of Grindlewald Trailer.

Post by FaxModem1 » 2018-03-13 08:24pm

Credence looks angry.
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Re: Harry Potter: Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes of Grindlewald Trailer.

Post by The Romulan Republic » 2018-03-14 06:41pm

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2018-03-13 08:24pm
Credence looks angry.
Well, he would be. :wink:

If he ends up able to control the Obscurus, though, he'll be kind of ridiculously overpowered.

Huh. I just realized that he's basically wizard Hulk. :)
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Re: Harry Potter: Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes of Grindlewald Trailer.

Post by KraytKing » 2018-03-14 08:18pm

I really hope they rework magic combat. Still pretty boring so far, and that was the major disappointment for me in the last one.
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Post by The Romulan Republic » 2018-03-14 08:24pm

The film's approach to wizarding combat is actually less inventive than the books. With a few exceptions, it looks like just the same few moves spells over and over again.
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Re: Harry Potter: Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes of Grindlewald Trailer.

Post by KraytKing » 2018-03-15 08:23am

I agree. And the battles between powerful wizards are still just both sides staring at each other, trying to beat the other guy's beam of lightning with their own.
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Re: Harry Potter: Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes of Grindlewald Trailer.

Post by Tribble » 2018-03-15 11:03am

Ya, the only really interesting duel in the series thus far was Dumbledore vs Voldemort, and they turned part of it into a beam war for reasons.

The trailer seems to imply that Dumbledore can't go after Grindelwald directly for reasons and must send Newt to do some dirty work, wheras in the novels he held off because he was afraid of finding out the truth over who killed his sister. IIRC the deathly hallows films skips over that whole part of the conversation, so maybe that's not part of the movie verse?
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Re: Harry Potter: Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes of Grindlewald Trailer.

Post by The Romulan Republic » 2018-03-15 05:04pm

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Ya, the only really interesting duel in the series thus far was Dumbledore vs Voldemort, and they turned part of it into a beam war for reasons.
It had a bit more variety in the spells' appearance, but mostly it came down to variations on the same theme- throwing power around in a crude slug fest, and for some reason nobody uses Avada Kedavra.

Compare to the duel in the book- Dumbledore pulls all sorts of clever tricks like animating the statues and using apparition to block or evade Voldemort's spells. It felt, reading it, almost like a dance. There was an elegance to how Dumbledore fought, such that even reading it on the page, I could tell that this was a master at work. That wasn't there in the film.

Harry and Voldemort's final duel is actually the best in the films, I think (followed by Grindlewald vs half of MACUSA), though the Harry vs Voldemort duel rather misses the point of their book confrontation.
The trailer seems to imply that Dumbledore can't go after Grindelwald directly for reasons and must send Newt to do some dirty work, wheras in the novels he held off because he was afraid of finding out the truth over who killed his sister. IIRC the deathly hallows films skips over that whole part of the conversation, so maybe that's not part of the movie verse?
That or Dumbledore is bullshiting because he's afraid, and because he can't tell Newt the real reason, just handwaves it with a vague explanation.

Though its possible that there's politics afoot. Nationalism of sorts seems to exist in the Wizarding World (Hagrid's disparaging comments about foreigners in book four, for example). So its likely that other wizarding governments would resent outside interference, especially if it makes them appear too weak to deal with their own problems. I certainly got that vibe from MACUSA in Fantastic Beasts I.

So it may be that European governments are resisting calling in a foreign wizard to deal with Grindlewald, and things haven't gotten bad enough yet for the international wizarding community to get its shit together and say "enough is enough".

That might also go some way toward explaining why there is no international intervention against Voldemort, even though he and his followers engage in multiple acts of terrorism and murder on other countries' soil.

Edit: The fact that Dumbledore appears to be being questioned about Newt's actions on his behalf by some sort of delegation in the trailer could fit either theory, maybe. They could be their to ask why he's sending Newt instead of going himself. Or they could be demanding to know why he's sending an agent to interfere in another country's affairs.
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