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Post by EnterpriseSovereign » 2017-12-07 01:53pm

Sources have confirmed that Disney and Fox Studios have closed the acquisition deal. This means X-Men's Wolverine, Deadpool and Marvel Studio's Avengers will come under one roof.
It is finally happening! Weeks after news broke out that Walt Disney Co. was in talks with Fox to acquire their entertainment segment, 20th Century Fox, it has been confirmed that the two studios have closed the deal and could likely make the acquisition announcement sometime next week.

According to a CNBC report, Disney and Fox have finalised Disney's purchase of numerous Fox assets, including 20th Century Fox movie studio. Which means Disney will officially own most of Marvel's cinematic characters namely the Avengers, X-Men and Deadpool, to name a few.

It was earlier reported that Disney was not the only studio Fox was in talks with regarding the acquisition. Bloomberg had recently reported that Fox was also in talks with Comcast, CNBC's parent company, but the studio was inclined to Disney.

"21st Century Fox Inc., the global film and TV company controlled by the Murdoch family, would prefer to sell some assets to Walt Disney Co. because it's a better strategic fit and presents fewer regulatory hurdles, people familiar with the matter said," Bloomberg reported
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Post by Crazedwraith » 2017-12-07 02:15pm

Wow, that title is nearly incomprehensible. Why sorry Deadpool? They'd be stupid to cancel the sequel at this stage.
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Post by Khaat » 2017-12-07 03:22pm

"Sorry, Deadpool" because it strips out the option of further jokes like "Such a big house. Odd that I never see more than the two of you, almost like the studio couldn't afford more XMen...."

Plus column: Hugh Jackman's Wolverine to joint the Avengers?
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Post by Elheru Aran » 2017-12-07 05:52pm

If Disney has a problem with the content of Deadpool movies but still wants the megabucks...

It wouldn't be particularly an issue for them, as they have a few studios under their control that they can redirect it to. It won't have the Disney sign on front, but they'll still rake in the profit anyway.

As for whether the X-Men and such will join the Avengers: That depends on whether Disney decides to give Marvel Studios the rights, or stay the course and keep more or less what has been done with the X-men thus far. But I really can't see any reason why they wouldn't let Marvel Studios have a bash.
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Post by Iroscato » 2017-12-07 06:13pm

Jesus Christ, please fix this title - but yeah, I've been following this closely and I'm fucking fangasming right about now.
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Post by The Romulan Republic » 2017-12-07 06:30pm

It'll be hard to integrate X-Men with the MCU, especially since (on TV, at least), the Inhumans have basically filled that role. But I suppose they need new characters for when some of their current actors either die, or just decide their tired and want to move onto something else. Especially since they're finally coming up on Infinity War, some of the characters will probably die, and in any case, it'll sort of close out an era. It makes sense to diversify into new characters and stories.
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Post by Elheru Aran » 2017-12-07 06:35pm

Additionally, if the rumour mill is right, the upcoming X-Men: Dark Phoenix will pretty much close out the First Class era of X-Men and bring it to a conclusion like they tried to do with X-Men: Last Stand. With Logan winding up the Wolverine saga, it would be an appropriate way to clear the slate for Disney to undertake a hard reboot of the X-Men universe, particularly if they are trying to integrate it into the MCU. Inhumans was from what I understand a massive flop, so I wouldn't be surprised if they quietly let it fall by the side.
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Post by The Romulan Republic » 2017-12-07 06:49pm

Well, the Inhumans are also kind of integral to Agents of SHIELD. But the TV shows and movies often seem only loosely connected (if you'd only ever watched the films, you'd probably still be convinced that Agent Coulson is dead, for example).
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Post by SpottedKitty » 2017-12-07 08:20pm

Elheru Aran wrote:
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Additionally, if the rumour mill is right, the upcoming X-Men: Dark Phoenix
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And now I'm caught between being convinced it'll be a spectacular mess, or hoping it'll be a really good movie version of the comic story.
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Post by Broomstick » 2017-12-07 09:48pm

Hugh Jackman is on record that Logan was his final outing as Wolverine ... but he dropped a line, probably in jest, that he'd come back if Wolverine was involved with the Avengers.

Might be hard to integrate the two, and how serious Jackman was remains to be seen (he is getting a bit old for the part. Not impossibly so, but soon he's going to be too old to be convincing or to keep up with the physical aspects of the role).

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Post by AMT » 2017-12-08 08:53am

I would say this is almost the perfect time for the deal to close.
With Infinity War going on (and presumably the second movie still available for extra shooting and editing), we have a reality warping villain who can easily merge the universes together, or create the environment needed for the mutants to start appearing side by side with Inhumans.

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Post by EnterpriseSovereign » 2017-12-08 01:45pm

Iroscato wrote:
2017-12-07 06:13pm
Jesus Christ, please fix this title - but yeah, I've been following this closely and I'm fucking fangasming right about now.
My bad, guess I shouldn't have copypasted from the original :P
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Post by Vendetta » 2017-12-09 06:51am

The Romulan Republic wrote:
2017-12-07 06:30pm
It'll be hard to integrate X-Men with the MCU, especially since (on TV, at least), the Inhumans have basically filled that role. But I suppose they need new characters for when some of their current actors either die, or just decide their tired and want to move onto something else. Especially since they're finally coming up on Infinity War, some of the characters will probably die, and in any case, it'll sort of close out an era. It makes sense to diversify into new characters and stories.
I don't think they could or should integrate the X-Men at this point. At least without using Infinity War as a giant reset button.

No, what they should do is have only Deadpool be aware that both 'verses exist and confuse everyone else by talking about things that haven't happened in their 'verse.

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Post by The Romulan Republic » 2017-12-09 01:17pm

Actually, I was just thinking of Deadpool.

The Deadpool film, I felt, was trying to be an MCU X-Men film in all-but-name. They had a helicarrier wreck as the set-piece for the final battle, the bad guys IIRC were Hydra in all but name, and they avoided the well-known, well-established film X-men, while also having a lighter tone (although with dirtier humour than the MCU usually goes for, outside of maybe GotG).

So I'd be okay with a retcon that made most of the X-Men films a separate universe, but retconned Deadpool into the MCU.

Edit: The treatment Deadpool undergoes to gain superpowers also reminded me of a cruder version of the formula given to Cap, particularly in its effects. IIRC, the whole deal with Cap's formula was that it made you more of what you were- both physically and mentally/psychologically. Hence Cap., a decent guy who stood up for others, becoming a superhero, while Red Skull, a Nazi scientist, became an even bigger monster.

Same with Deadpool. He doesn't really change much over the course of the film, personality-wise. He just becomes more of what he was.

Its basically my "headcannon" that Deadpool takes place in the MCU, and the experiments on Deadpool and others were a crude attempt by Hydra to replicate the formula used on Cap.
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Post by Crazedwraith » 2017-12-09 01:26pm

Even with just Deadpool you've got to retcon mutants and the X-men into the MCU.

I figure Deadpool should remain entirely separate, able to overlook and snark at everything else equally.
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Post by EnterpriseSovereign » 2017-12-09 02:00pm

It wasn't just the fomula but the method of enhancement that Cap had compared to the other two- as well as the serum there was the Stark-built "Vita-Ray Chamber", the result of which was enhancement without the horrible side effects. It seems the chamber is now forgotten tech, even though most likely it's located deep within a SHIELD facility.
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Post by Majin Gojira » 2017-12-09 03:41pm

Vendetta wrote:
2017-12-09 06:51am
I don't think they could or should integrate the X-Men at this point. At least without using Infinity War as a giant reset button.

No, what they should do is have only Deadpool be aware that both 'verses exist and confuse everyone else by talking about things that haven't happened in their 'verse.
If they do reset cosmically, Deadpool would still know. Him, and Layla Miller, are the only ones who could know.

But they still have hurdles to cover, two big ones:

1) The X-Men films have basically played out most of the big villains, leaving only a few noteworthy ones left.
2) The "Classic" X-Men are sort of played out, with more interest being shown in different mutants than the, say, the O5. Hell, Laura has about as much pull as her dad does.

Brand Faith might be revitalized by this, but audiences for the mighty mutants are a bit tapped.

But if they plot it out like the Avengers were -- doing solo movies/odd focus and seeing what worked before moving on with sequels -- they might make it work.

That said, there's a help and a hindrance already in place:

The Help: The Registration Act -- That political point has cropped up a lot X-Lore.
The Hinderance: Ultron -- Kind of hard to work Sentinels in once Sokovia showed the dangers of A.I. Though having it be the "Sentinel Drone Program" and be remote drones rather than robots might work out a bit, or go the cyborg/bio-sentinel rout . . .

Still, hurdle.

It can work, but it will be a challenge. If there is a Phase 4 and 5 and beyond, they may not show up until 5 or 6.

That said, the big "Avengers" movie of that cycle might just be "Avengers vs. X-men" and wouldn't that be a kicker.
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Post by EnterpriseSovereign » 2017-12-09 05:07pm

I don't know about the Sentinels being a thing any more. During DoFP, they got hijacked by Magneto and basically ran amok all while being witnessed by the entire world's press. The backlash from that alone will have killed the Sentinel program stone dead.
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Post by The Romulan Republic » 2017-12-09 08:32pm

Majin Gojira wrote:
2017-12-09 03:41pm
Vendetta wrote:
2017-12-09 06:51am
I don't think they could or should integrate the X-Men at this point. At least without using Infinity War as a giant reset button.

No, what they should do is have only Deadpool be aware that both 'verses exist and confuse everyone else by talking about things that haven't happened in their 'verse.
If they do reset cosmically, Deadpool would still know. Him, and Layla Miller, are the only ones who could know.

But they still have hurdles to cover, two big ones:

1) The X-Men films have basically played out most of the big villains, leaving only a few noteworthy ones left.
2) The "Classic" X-Men are sort of played out, with more interest being shown in different mutants than the, say, the O5. Hell, Laura has about as much pull as her dad does.

Brand Faith might be revitalized by this, but audiences for the mighty mutants are a bit tapped.

But if they plot it out like the Avengers were -- doing solo movies/odd focus and seeing what worked before moving on with sequels -- they might make it work.

That said, there's a help and a hindrance already in place:

The Help: The Registration Act -- That political point has cropped up a lot X-Lore.
The Hinderance: Ultron -- Kind of hard to work Sentinels in once Sokovia showed the dangers of A.I. Though having it be the "Sentinel Drone Program" and be remote drones rather than robots might work out a bit, or go the cyborg/bio-sentinel rout . . .

Still, hurdle.

It can work, but it will be a challenge. If there is a Phase 4 and 5 and beyond, they may not show up until 5 or 6.

That said, the big "Avengers" movie of that cycle might just be "Avengers vs. X-men" and wouldn't that be a kicker.
Rather than keep all the existing X-continuity and try to work it into the MCU, it probably would be better to do a reboot of sorts (either a hard reboot) or a comics-style cosmic reboot courtesy of Thanos, as suggested earlier in this thread. That can get around stuff like Hugh Jackman getting old, too. And it means you can try new takes on villains.

The only film I'd definitely keep in is Deadpool, as I said.

How I'd try to fit it together... maybe something like this:

The X-gene is latent in a certain percentage of humans. Maybe its related to the Inhumans. Rather than occurring naturally, it can only be brought to the surface via experimentation/artificially (or only rarely emerges naturally, which is what gave someone the idea to try to do it artificially).

Hydra, unable to duplicate the Captain America formula, settled for triggering the X-gene (see Deadpool). So you have mutant muscle running around. Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver can be retconned as mutants pretty easily, going off of this. Magneto might have been a product of some of the very first Hydra experiments in WW2, and thus one of the oldest mutants.

Initially, mutants aren't regarded as much different from any of the other super-beings. Some hate them, some fear them, some see them as heroes, some see them as just people.

What makes mutants different from most of the MCU super humans is that they can reproduce- pass their mutations on to their off-spring. Thus fears about them eventually replacing humanity as a superior species emerge.

The Sokovia Accords bring the scope of the growing mutant population to light. This unintended effect of targeting a vulnerable minority population might cause Tony to have some second thoughts about his past actions.
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Post by Majin Gojira » 2017-12-10 12:27am

The Romulan Republic wrote:
2017-12-09 08:32pm
Rather than keep all the existing X-continuity and try to work it into the MCU, it probably would be better to do a reboot of sorts (either a hard reboot) or a comics-style cosmic reboot courtesy of Thanos, as suggested earlier in this thread. That can get around stuff like Hugh Jackman getting old, too. And it means you can try new takes on villains.
Sorry, that's not what I mean to imply. I was talking more in a metanarrative/audience standpoint for the X-Villains angle.
The X-gene is latent in a certain percentage of humans. Maybe its related to the Inhumans. Rather than occurring naturally, it can only be brought to the surface via experimentation/artificially (or only rarely emerges naturally, which is what gave someone the idea to try to do it artificially).
That's literally the meta-gene from DC.
The Sokovia Accords bring the scope of the growing mutant population to light. This unintended effect of targeting a vulnerable minority population might cause Tony to have some second thoughts about his past actions.
If he's still around after Infinity War . . .
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Post by Guardsman Bass » 2017-12-10 01:46am

If they want to link up the X-Men characters and the existing MCU continuity, they could just do some type of dimension-hopping thing dumping a bunch of X-men characters into the existing MCU version of Earth. They wouldn't even necessarily have to have a rising mutant population on MCU Earth besides that, unless they wanted to have them awaken later on.

I doubt they'll get rid of Deadpool, although he'll be silo-ed off in a side company of the Disney corporation that doesn't have the logo. They've done that before, with Disney-owned Miramax producing a bunch of R-rated films. There's too much money at stake to dump the character altogether.
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Post by streetad » 2017-12-12 03:28pm

Beyond the current iterations of Wolverine, Professor X and Magneto, is there really much worth continuing from the existing X-Men franchise? I'm sure Marvel is probably more interested in getting the characters back than keeping the current continuity going.

There is a small possibility they might be able to do something actually interesting with the Fantastic Four at last.

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Post by Iroscato » 2017-12-12 03:51pm

Seems like the deal is done, and we'll be getting an official announcement Thursday.

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Post by EnterpriseSovereign » 2017-12-12 06:18pm

streetad wrote:
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There is a small possibility they might be able to do something actually interesting with the Fantastic Four at last.
Let's hope so, the last one was an unmitigated clusterfuck.
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Post by Elheru Aran » 2017-12-12 11:35pm

EnterpriseSovereign wrote:
2017-12-12 06:18pm
streetad wrote:
2017-12-12 03:28pm
There is a small possibility they might be able to do something actually interesting with the Fantastic Four at last.
Let's hope so, the last one was an unmitigated clusterfuck.
Unfortunately Fox doesn't actually have the rights to Fantastic Four, they just produced the last few movies. The F4 rights are a mess but seem to ultimately rest with a small company called Constantin Film. So unless Disney makes a separate deal I wouldn't expect them to get the F4.
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