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Yeah, the battle itself was nice but I had a bit of a problem with how Euron found them. That said, I don't think it was Danny's army being fried. More like an empty fleet sailing to Dorne to get the army. Probably not the whole of the fleet either. Also notably not in the battle is Lady of Thornes.
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Sending a small fleet with so many VIPs, knowing Euron is a wild-card, seems even dumber. And even if few troops were lost, the ships were the important part and now we have to wonder if Dorne will stay out of the war due to the threat of Cersei killing hostages or be ever angrier and make their own way North.

Either way, it's at least going to be a bit interesting if Cersei can hold off killing Ellaria out of pragmatism. If I had to guess, she'll just get by with letting the Mountain torture.... whichever Sand Snake survived (I honestly don't care enough to Google) while Ellaria is forced to watch. Thus having her hostage and a sense of revenge.

Anyways, It's debatable if the dragons would listen to anyone but Danny, especially for an extended period of time. Like Dire Wolves, they seem to have some human level of reasoning, but seemingly little more than an extremely well trained dog (though without the extensive time and effort required to achieve the results).

Though that does beg the question: she's got one of the largest fleets in the world. So... why exactly was there no push for naval superiority? No scouting out of Eurons fleet, which has to have been active in the same area she is, and burning it down with said dragons? Or just burn their flagship and do another "join up or choose between burning to death on your ships or drowning." Instead, .....well, last episode happens.

Her plan calls for a lot a seafaring, so Euron should have been first-most on her radar. I don't think it requires a tactical genius to think naval superiority is paramount in the type of war she wants to wage. And it's not like dragons aren't a major trump card here.
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Listening to the plan, it makes no sense to send the whole fleet to Dorne. They need enough boats to ferry the Dathriki to the mainland as well as the Unsullied. At the very least, just to the east coast so they can march west to Lannister lands. IIRC the plan, they were going to shuttle the Dorne army up to Kings Landing. Not sure they need to shuttle the Tyrell army since by the time the Tyrell army can get to a port to load up, they would have crossed enough land to have just gone to King's Landing.

All Euron did strategically is delay Dornes entry into the siege. The Tyrell's should have enough juice to lay seige to Kings Landing since really the only enemies they got to worry about is Lannisters and organic units of King's Landing. If Danny still goes west, all is good. It's only if the banner men of Tyrell defect, as we saw Jamie trying to foster.

Euron played his card, now he's a bit useless for the story. Unless he wants to hang around Dragon Stone and attack Danny's fleet shuttling to the coast, the fleet full of dathraki and unsullied as well as dragons. The only thing that can happen to make Euron worth while now is if for some dumb ass reason Danny want's to sail around the continent instead of march across it. Other than that, Euron is done with things to do.
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Looks like Euron didn't need to bust out a squid monster. So much for the siege of King's Landing what with Jamie and the Great Santini marching against Diana Rigg, and the Sand Snakes forgetting to poison their weapons (yeah, Euron is given special skeleton powers like Ramsay Bolton, that cause his enemies to become retarded in his vicinity). When Indira Varma was first cast on this show, I predicted she would do what she does in other shows (Rome, World Without End, Luther): DIE! OK, so I'm three years late, but Ellaria is a fucking goner, and so is Princess Perky Tits (doesn't she look great after letting her hair grow long?), barring a rescue by Bronn -the only person in King's Landing who might possibly try it. Yara is also fucked, barring a rescue. Maybe if Gendry is still rowing out there, he can pick up Theon and they can do something.

Speaking of Theon, I can't fault him for bailing. He knew he couldn't beat his uncle and (hopefully) went for help, or at least to warn Danerys that her plan just went to shit in a hurry. Tyrion's plan struck me as overly elaborate, and Yara was right: Hit King's Landing NOW! You don't have to burn the city with the dragons, just use them plus the Dothraki to interdict anything trying to enter the city.

Grey Worm and Missandei... the scene reminded me of Born on the Fourth of July, when a wheelchair-bound Willem Dafoe tells his fellow crippled veterans that "If you don't have it in the hips you better have it in the lips!". Very well done softcore scene: Not only did my SO become rather frisky (until a later scene ruined it), but I'm pretty sure Natalie Emmanuel just entered the Mr Skin Hall of Fame.

Speaking of Grey Worm and the Unsullied, I wonder if the Tully troops held prisoner are at Casterly Rock (like Edmure) and if so, would Danerys' troops (if they take the Rock) have the good sense to free them? Surely they would be eager for another shot against the Lannisters.

I was glad Arya met up with Hot Pie and decided to go home rather than carry out her assassination attempt on Cersei. The scene with Nymeria... Jesus Christ! I almost teared up at watching the reunion with Arya's long lost dire wolf. I was relieved the pack didn't eat the horse because Arya needs to get back to Winterfell before the Pimp makes a move against Sansa. Why he told Jon he "loves" Sansa is beyond me, but he does fuck with people on a regular basis for reasons that make no sense, like baiting Cersei when she could have her guards kill him on the spot (and almost did) or antagonizing Ned and Catelyn. Why this fucker has such a thick character shield is beyond me.

I hope the Brotherhood, Night's Watch and the Wildlings have the good sense not to fight among themselves when they all arrive at the Wall.

Great episode. You can really feel momentum building, after the show seemed stuck in a rut for a couple of seasons.
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JLTucker wrote: 2017-07-24 10:23am Why the hell didn't Dany give at least one dragon to Yara as an escort? God, this bitch is dumb as shit.
Tell me... How obedient have the dragons been for basically anyone but Dany? I can't see one of the dragons doing as it was told instead of just fucking off to go devour some livestock and/or children.
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Napoleon the Clown wrote: 2017-07-24 11:56pm
JLTucker wrote: 2017-07-24 10:23am Why the hell didn't Dany give at least one dragon to Yara as an escort? God, this bitch is dumb as shit.
Tell me... How obedient have the dragons been for basically anyone but Dany? I can't see one of the dragons doing as it was told instead of just fucking off to go devour some livestock and/or children.
I completely forgot about that. Good point.
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Elfdart wrote: 2017-07-24 07:17pmand the Sand Snakes forgetting to poison their weapons (yeah, Euron is given special skeleton powers like Ramsay Bolton, that cause his enemies to become retarded in his vicinity).
The scene, as great as it was, starts losing a shitload of impact when you pick it apart. Sure, they were ambushed, but you'd think loading up on the poison would be second nature to them at some point they use it so much. To the writers credit, I was so blindsided by the sheer fortune that rained down upon Euron from the start, I hadn't even thought about your point.
Great episode. You can really feel momentum building, after the show seemed stuck in a rut for a couple of seasons.
I have to agree a bit here, but in my own way: the amount of bullshit ex machinas to save (or lose) the day in the past few seasons has been tiresome. Like, I could imagine if they played the show back in S1 the way they do now, Ned Stark's execution would have been stopped by a precise arrow shot on the axeman and Stark Bannerman would have all heroically thrown back their cloaks and drawn steel to save the say a la Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves or something.

I still really enjoy this show. But it seems to have gone off the rails a bit. It's like "THINGS ARE HAPPENING! They are EXCITING! People are talking DRAMATICALLY! Please don't think too hard about how these situations keep happening." A show I once really enjoyed because it turned a lot of fantasy or just "heroic" themes on their heads is now fully embracing said themes. Add in some Elves and Dorfs and it's becoming a fairly standard fantasy affair.
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Euron is just such an intensely uninteresting and lame character. They haven't bothered to give him any real depth, or even give him any real personality traits other than "Jack Sparrow impersonator". The scene where Euron is shouting as his ramp descends onto Yara's ship, crushing some random dumbass who for some reason didn't get out of the way, was one of the lamest attempts to come off as badass that I've ever seen. As others have said, he is rapidly developing a Ramsay Bolton plot shield, and somehow manages to be an even LESS interesting villain than Ramsay. The first scene where they introduce him (when he kills Balon) held some promise, because he seemed mysterious and semi-mystical (with weird lines like "I AM the Drowned God," etc.). But for some reason they've dropped that part of his personality and just made him a swaggering ass.
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TheFeniX wrote: 2017-07-25 01:34amThe scene, as great as it was, starts losing a shitload of impact when you pick it apart. Sure, they were ambushed, but you'd think loading up on the poison would be second nature to them at some point they use it so much. To the writers credit, I was so blindsided by the sheer fortune that rained down upon Euron from the start, I hadn't even thought about your point.
Well, it would make sense to not keep them poisoned while not in use... after all they could scratch themselves by acciedent and get killed even by small amount of poison (and yes, they have the antidote, but still it's an unnecessary risk). It would make sense to put the poison on before going into a fight. After all, you never store a loaded gun, you always remove the bullets first.
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Ziggy Stardust wrote: 2017-07-25 09:43am Euron is just such an intensely uninteresting and lame character. They haven't bothered to give him any real depth, or even give him any real personality traits other than "Jack Sparrow impersonator". The scene where Euron is shouting as his ramp descends onto Yara's ship, crushing some random dumbass who for some reason didn't get out of the way, was one of the lamest attempts to come off as badass that I've ever seen. As others have said, he is rapidly developing a Ramsay Bolton plot shield, and somehow manages to be an even LESS interesting villain than Ramsay. The first scene where they introduce him (when he kills Balon) held some promise, because he seemed mysterious and semi-mystical (with weird lines like "I AM the Drowned God," etc.). But for some reason they've dropped that part of his personality and just made him a swaggering ass.
I took the way he boarded to be more indication of how utterly out of his gourd he is, personally. The scene was still pretty goddamn over-the-top, though.

I was reading elsewhere that, in the books, he's got something (supposedly) going on with one eye. The person commenting on the matter theorized that it may be something that would allow him to find people. I also saw speculation that Varys is still being a treacherous little shit and informed Euron of where the fleet was going.

For me, Euron so far comes across as an absolutely egotistical, blood-thirsty maniac with precisely zero survival instinct. Either he gives no fucks about dying, or he thinks he can take on anything and win. And given the way D&D wrote Ramsey, I suspect he will be able to take on anything up to the point where he loses narrative importance. Which can work... if there's something to explain goddamn why in a series where realistic consequences are otherwise so goddamn common.
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ANGELUS wrote: 2017-07-25 02:38pmWell, it would make sense to not keep them poisoned while not in use... after all they could scratch themselves by acciedent and get killed even by small amount of poison (and yes, they have the antidote, but still it's an unnecessary risk). It would make sense to put the poison on before going into a fight.
Tyene seems the only one who prefers poison specifically and her not being in that fight means it isn't a show stopper to me. Tyene has such a hard-on for poison, it wouldn't surprise me if the daggers are kept coated just by being in their pouch. Besides, unless you can plan on always being the initiator in a fight, right-before combat seems the worst time to try and apply deadly poison to a weapon.
After all, you never store a loaded gun, you always remove the bullets first.
Storing, yes. But people don't walk around with unloaded guns. Besides, the Sand Snakes have shown they ARE the kind of people who would store guns loaded.... with safeties off.... pointed at their face.....
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One thing I thought was pretty cool was how Cersei read off the litany of Danerys' brutal acts and every single one was true.

Team Targaryen had 1st and goal at the 1 and just butt-fumbled. Let's count the ways:

1) Dorne is effectively leaderless. Not only are Ellaria and Tyene almost certainly going to be killed in gruesome fashion (most likely with Ellaria being forced to watch her daughter get killed before being killed herself), but thanks to the deranged coup from two seasons ago, any successor would have a good chance of being pro-Cersei, meaning Dorne might have just been flipped.

2) So much for Danerys' fleet. Now Euron/Cersei have the upper hand and can land their troops where they want while making it difficult for Danerys' side to move their forces by sea.

3) Not only is there a good chance Euron and Cersei will join forces (even if she won't marry him) but now he'll more than likely get to mount Gargamel's new weapon on his ships. Bye bye air superiority at sea. I figure at least one of the dragons gets a javelin in its head in the coming weeks.

4) Yara is another huge loss. How many Ironborn will now defect to Euron the way Renley's forces switched to Stannis? I should think quite a few.

Olenna was right: Tyrion's a clever man but Danerys needs to be smart enough to overrule him. His plan seemed overly elaborate and risked a battle with naval forces that are at least comparable to Danerys' armada when it wasn't necessary. Now Euron and Cersei have the upper hand.
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If Jon was halfway intelligent, he might have at least sent a message or emissary to every major city or stronghold in Westeros. I remember Mormont sent the hand of a wight in Season 1 to King's Landing, and I realize asking Cersei for aid or at minimum, a truce is a waste of time, but it might convince fence-sitters that the North really is facing an attack from north of the Wall. Jon is sailing a gauntlet of a mad pirate's fleet to meet a monarch with a well-deserved reputation for being brutal and unpredictable, so he's in "I'd piss on a spark plug if I thought it would do any good" mode.
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Elfdart wrote: 2017-07-25 10:05pm One thing I thought was pretty cool was how Cersei read off the litany of Danerys' brutal acts and every single one was true.

Team Targaryen had 1st and goal at the 1 and just butt-fumbled. Let's count the ways:

1) Dorne is effectively leaderless. Not only are Ellaria and Tyene almost certainly going to be killed in gruesome fashion (most likely with Ellaria being forced to watch her daughter get killed before being killed herself), but thanks to the deranged coup from two seasons ago, any successor would have a good chance of being pro-Cersei, meaning Dorne might have just been flipped.

2) So much for Danerys' fleet. Now Euron/Cersei have the upper hand and can land their troops where they want while making it difficult for Danerys' side to move their forces by sea.

3) Not only is there a good chance Euron and Cersei will join forces (even if she won't marry him) but now he'll more than likely get to mount Gargamel's new weapon on his ships. Bye bye air superiority at sea. I figure at least one of the dragons gets a javelin in its head in the coming weeks.

4) Yara is another huge loss. How many Ironborn will now defect to Euron the way Renley's forces switched to Stannis? I should think quite a few.

Olenna was right: Tyrion's a clever man but Danerys needs to be smart enough to overrule him. His plan seemed overly elaborate and risked a battle with naval forces that are at least comparable to Danerys' armada when it wasn't necessary. Now Euron and Cersei have the upper hand.
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If Jon was halfway intelligent, he might have at least sent a message or emissary to every major city or stronghold in Westeros. I remember Mormont sent the hand of a wight in Season 1 to King's Landing, and I realize asking Cersei for aid or at minimum, a truce is a waste of time, but it might convince fence-sitters that the North really is facing an attack from north of the Wall. Jon is sailing a gauntlet of a mad pirate's fleet to meet a monarch with a well-deserved reputation for being brutal and unpredictable, so he's in "I'd piss on a spark plug if I thought it would do any good" mode.
Judging from the preview for next week, it looks like Dany still has enough ships to ferry the Unsullied to Casterly Rock, because we see her Targaryen-sigil ships carrying Grey Worm - but those are (IIRC) Slaver's Bay ships. Unlikely to be much competition for Euron's ridiculous war galley and the like.
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Having seen the episodes I would say Dany's problem isn't that she's listening the wrong advisor, but rather that she's not taking advice but rather letting others do her work. In a sense Olenna was right she's a sheep being led rather then a dragon that's leading her people and if she wants to win she needs to learn what advice she needs to take heart and what discard and make her own judgements based on that.
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Lord Revan wrote: 2017-07-26 05:16am Having seen the episodes I would say Dany's problem isn't that she's listening the wrong advisor, but rather that she's not taking advice but rather letting others do her work. In a sense Olenna was right she's a sheep being led rather then a dragon that's leading her people and if she wants to win she needs to learn what advice she needs to take heart and what discard and make her own judgements based on that.
I don't know; Tyrion on the average tends to give sound advice. Of course, his father would have been MUCH better at giving military advice. Tyrion's better at general management.

My take is that Danaerys now lacks actual military advisor: Olenna is very good at PR and using resource-denial to make someone bend knee, but we/I don't know how much she knows about actual military tactics and strategy; the Dorn Usurpers are incompetent, vengeful hedonists; Tyrion managed to hold against Stannis Baratheon's siege, but that was one time only and I don't remember much else about his military achievements; the Grey Worm is more of a hands-on battlefield commander than actual strategist; and Varys is a spymaster, not a soldier. Yara has the best training out of them all, but the Ironborn are not actually good at conquering and holding their conquests by all appearances, they are raiders. Danaerys needs someone who can view the larger military picture.

Also, Olenna seems to in general to be ill-disposed towards men, quite frankly. She has good reasons, but she also seems to think they are all "clever men" doomed to die before her or "incompetent man-children". While her advice to Danaerys is sound in that the Queen MUST be the leader, the dragon, not a sheep being led around, it's also a political play at minimizing Tyrion's influence on her - which can lead to all sorts of trouble if and when Danaerys decides to go full Mad King route. She isn't as strong as she thinks she is, especially if Qyburn manages to make working anti-dragon artillery en masse, negating Danaerys's aerial advantage. Becoming ruthless and devastating conqueror (something from which Tyrion has apparently twice had to talk her down) is only going to ensure that Westeros won't be happy with her (and her idea of demanding the King in the North to bend knee is a catastrophic idea; Jon might do it if only to avoid the Night King and the Army of the Dead's dominion over all of Westeros, but even that might be doubtful unless Danaerys fully commits to the "save Westeros" cause).

For all her talk about Viserys being vicious and cruel, Danaerys might never have had any grooming to be a ruler. She was out of her depth when ruling the cities she conquered if only because she hadn't realized what kind of toll it might take. Even Bran managed to be a better lord of Winterfell before the Ironborn came (and that was something he could not anticipate). Danaerys is learning, but she is now at that bad place of the learning curve where she knows something and has been able to utilize few leadership tricks; she might think that she's fully learned. Viserys probably had at least some grooming to be a ruler, even if his personality was closer to Joffrey (and even Joffrey managed to display some cunning and wise ideas about running a state). It's not her fault, but it doesn't matter. Olenna probably wants to a) lessen Tyrion's influence and b) encourage Danaerys to be more independent, but she might have managed to make her c) more stubborn and thus disregarding of advice that doesn't agree with her.

Anyway, if Danaerys had attacked the King's Landing with all of her army, she could have torched the (remaining) place to the ground; or Qyburn might have managed to kill at least one dragon, proving that she can be defeated, and giving hope to the Westerosi lords that they can defeat this Mad King's daughter who allowed tribal barbarians to come to Westeros to rape, pillage and burn at their leisure and who employs an army of eunuch slaves. It's not like the Dornish usurpers are much beloved either, and the lords of the Reach know that Olenna has no heir, so Lord Paramount's position is soon to be claimed by someone else. Plus nobody likes the Ironborn, not even the Ironborn. Attack against King's Landing could have united most of Westeros against the foreign invading army led by a mad Targaryen claimant to the throne, even if only to defend a mad Lannister queen. At least the Lannisters haven't allowed the Dothraki to come ashore.
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I have my doubts about how useful that ballista thing would really be. I'm sure something like that could take down what is basically the equivalent of an Apache gunship under perfect conditions if it was just hovering there not trying to defend itself, but I wouldn't like to be the one crewing it...

Dany does have a genuine PR problem though. Her army consists of semi-controllable living WMDs, a vast horde of professional murderer-rapists and the world's most famous eunuch slave soldiers. Her inner circle is full of real and perceived child-murderers (disgraced slavers, too, if you count Jorah) and she can hardly deny any of the stuff Cersei accused her of. Randyll Tarly might be a colossal douche, but even someone like Ned Stark might find it hard to pick sides when you lay it out like that.
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streetad wrote: 2017-07-27 12:04pm I have my doubts about how useful that ballista thing would really be. I'm sure something like that could take down what is basically the equivalent of an Apache gunship under perfect conditions if it was just hovering there not trying to defend itself, but I wouldn't like to be the one crewing it...
It has the virtue of being better than nothing, which is more than they had before. And we know that they have worked in the past -- over a century earlier, at least one dragon (Meraxes) was brought down by a bolt from a scorpion (which is basically a small ballista, if the term means the same thing in Westeros as it does to us) -- so there is some precedent on the side of Cersei and her lot. I would expect the hit rate would be rather low, though.
streetad wrote: 2017-07-27 12:04pmDany does have a genuine PR problem though. Her army consists of semi-controllable living WMDs, a vast horde of professional murderer-rapists and the world's most famous eunuch slave soldiers. Her inner circle is full of real and perceived child-murderers (disgraced slavers, too, if you count Jorah) and she can hardly deny any of the stuff Cersei accused her of. Randyll Tarly might be a colossal douche, but even someone like Ned Stark might find it hard to pick sides when you lay it out like that.
All good points, which is why Tyrion is so keen to win the PR battle by not turning their forces against the people so much, but against the Lannisters (who are, admittedly, also people, but aren't liked so much as feared). A not-so-bloody coup is what they're hoping for, but their first strike ended with them taking the bloody nose.
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Napoleon the Clown wrote: 2017-07-24 11:56pm
JLTucker wrote: 2017-07-24 10:23am Why the hell didn't Dany give at least one dragon to Yara as an escort? God, this bitch is dumb as shit.
Tell me... How obedient have the dragons been for basically anyone but Dany? I can't see one of the dragons doing as it was told instead of just fucking off to go devour some livestock and/or children.
Yeah, that and their are only three of them, and while tough, they're hardly immortal. Wouldn't want to lose one in a storm over the ocean or something, and then be down a dragon when the White Walkers show up.

They're Dany's trump card, and should be reserved for the most crucial battles and when they'll make the biggest impact, not convoy escort duty (which is something more mundane forces ought to be able to handle).
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Season is going to way too fast. Taking major homesteads like they are nothing. Understand budget concerns but still draw them out a bit, instead of instant teleporting to major castles ignoring the rest of the land. In other seasons they at least made it seems like a long grind and haul and huge sacrifice.
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This episode honestly goes on my short-list of worst episodes of the series. Just such a magnificent parade of lazy and stupid writing, bizarre plot holes, and poor time management (if you're going to shorten the season, you need to use your time judicicously, and not spend 40 minutes of spinning tires with no major plot advancement and then wrap up the fall of Casterly Rock and Highgarden is less than 5 minutes).
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So much for Dorne and the Sand Snakes.

I hope the Unsullied have ravens so they can call in an airstrike on Euron. Otherwise, they're fucked too.

Team Targaryen couldn't be more screwed right now if their strategy was planned by Kyle Shanahan. :banghead:
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Meh, the West is open now. All the Lannister's are down south. A march of the Unsullied east would be both easy and profitable for them. Though, a bargin with Snow to not have the North attack would be prudent. I know Snow has no interest in it but Danny doesn't know that.
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I think at this point its best to just accept that all the battles and marches on the show happen for and are resolved in favour of plot reasons, rather than any plausible military or logitistical reasons. Who is located where with what strength and what could they actually do doesn't matter and hasn't mattered all that much since about season 2, went the details Stark-Lannister war was butchered to fit the shows plot. Armies will teleport, win and lose despite their putative strength and characters will either be military geniuses or idiots depending on story circumstances. Its not productive to get wrapped up in the details, because they don't really matter.
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Honestly things are actually building up to the endgame AS IT SHOULD BE. There's a reason why Winds still hasn't been released event though Dance came out at SEASON 1. It's because George shoved to many asinine subplots into it and the story ground to a halt. It's why Booth or whoever is a complete idiot who should have his head checked. The story hasn't progressed at all and important plots were wasted on things that went nowhere.

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Meest wrote: 2017-07-30 10:28pm Season is going to way too fast. Taking major homesteads like they are nothing. Understand budget concerns but still draw them out a bit, instead of instant teleporting to major castles ignoring the rest of the land. In other seasons they at least made it seems like a long grind and haul and huge sacrifice.
The fall of major castles only matters to the extent that the characters involved matter. Casterly Rock was empty, so what's the point of devoting some major slog of time to watching Dany take it? It doesn't serve the plot at all. Same with Highgarden - how is it a judicious use of time - or service of plot, to devote some long amount of time to Jaime taking it?

The meat of the episode is primarily Jon and Dany on Dragonstone - focusing on battles and military logistics and what not is very much entirely missing the point.
Ziggy Stardust wrote: 2017-07-30 11:21pm This episode honestly goes on my short-list of worst episodes of the series. Just such a magnificent parade of lazy and stupid writing, bizarre plot holes, and poor time management (if you're going to shorten the season, you need to use your time judicicously, and not spend 40 minutes of spinning tires with no major plot advancement and then wrap up the fall of Casterly Rock and Highgarden is less than 5 minutes).
In what possible universe does Grey Worm at Casterly Rock merit some huge amount of time?

EDIT:

Thoughts on the episode:

- Ok, this is my favorite one so far, bar some minor quibbles, so let's get those out of the way first.

- Euron's magical fleet was on the nose even for me this episode. Seriously, why not just have Euron split his fleet to attack the Targaryen fleet at anchor? The Silence being there wasn't necessary - it's impossible to explain even with the show's nonchalant attitude towards the passage of time.

- Littlefinger, you sound like a creepy fortune cookie. What is even the point of you anymore?

- Sansa giving directions to blacksmiths was kind of weird, but eh, a minor quibble.

- Jon and Tyrion's chemistry - my god. It brought back warm memories of their interactions in Season 1.

- Speaking of Tyrion - he's had meatier material this episode than he's had since Season 5.

- Samwell and Jorah - all the feels.

- Good riddance to Ellaria and Tyene. I hope Ellaria isn't saved.

- Euron was again, a lot of fun.

- Cersei actually seemed really damn competent this episode. Especially in her dealing with Tycho Nestoris.

- Olenna Tyrell went out like a boss. I loved it how she skulled the painless poison first and only then told Jaime that she was the one who offed Joffrey.

- Main event: Jon and Dany. I really enjoyed these scenes. Note particularly the way they made Jon look small by only showing him next to Davos, while making Dany look intimidating by showing only her on the throne for most of the scene.

* I kind of want Jon to kill that dothraki bodyguard though.

- It's a minor thing, but Jaime saying he learned from Robb Stark by sacrificing the Rock was pretty boss.

- Casterly Rock looked ridiculously huge.

- I miss normal Bran. This guy is just creepy.
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