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Re: Where can I find better anime?

Post by Elheru Aran » 2018-05-16 12:30pm

I have to say that when I found Elfen Lied on Amazon, I watched a couple of episodes. That first one though. Bear in mind I'd just come off a FMA: Brotherhood binge. While FMA has its moments... they aren't naked-psychic-lady-killing-people-messily-with-her-mind moments.

Compared to that... I'd say Silver Spoon falls quite handily into the 'brain bleach' category along with kitty pictures and the cute doggo memes.
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Re: Where can I find better anime?

Post by Majin Gojira » 2018-05-17 06:05pm

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I finally got the chance to finish up Devilman. Yea, it had a pretty hard shift, but setup really well so it wasn't like they blind-sided you. Americans think they know "grimdark." Hell, this isn't even that, it's just grim. Not even grim really. It's a singularity of "how can we make you feel MORE shitty after watching this?" I haven't got much. I mean, had they shown someone strangle a Golden Retriever to death.... or beat a toddler to death with a shovel and take their time doing it.

That could have made the ending mildly more depressing that it was. And the toddler/shovel thing, as shocking as that would be, I mean the show already had it beat. Fucking. Bravo. 9/10 anime. Would NOT watch again. Because it would ruin the impact. There's a few annoyances, the info dump at the end, the feeling of "oh man, we have to wrap this whole thing up in 2 episodes." But still really solid.
I fucking LOVE Devilman. Read the manga ages ago and it really hits still. Especially when you remember that it came out in 1978, and went on to influence things like Evangelion and Berserk. Most Horror and Action-Horror owe a debt to it, as does the entire archetype of the mysterious white-haired pretty boy villain.

Crybaby is a great update for it, mostly because it preserves some of that original impact the manga had back in the day, and then went and made it look absolutely beautiful in all its horror.

Some things I think were pulled off better in the Manga (Jinmen), but overall, this is one of the best adaptations I've seen (as well as one of the best anime of the year).

But I have a bias and really wanted to gush about Devilman.
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Re: Where can I find better anime?

Post by U.P. Cinnabar » 2018-05-17 11:57pm

Something I discovered recently is Knights of Sidonia, a cross between Mobile Suit Gundam, Battlestar Galactica, and Blue Gender, set a thousand years after space kaiju destroyed Earth.

Watching it, one almost forgets It's a mishmash of three other shows; It's that good.
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Re: Where can I find better anime?

Post by Q99 » 2018-05-21 12:02am

Knights is good- and based on a manga *not* as unusual as the author's other manga serieses. Blame! most notably- which I gather has anime, which I don't know the quality of and is based on one of the more filmable arcs of the series.

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Re: Where can I find better anime?

Post by TheFeniX » 2018-05-21 12:47am

Knights was worth 2 watches for me. My only complaints, as I've mentioned before, is all the Japanese names combined with the "sameness" the animation style and cel shading brings to the characters which makes it difficult at times to determine who is who and/or who is talking about who else..... that and the whole implied "I wanna bang that tentacle rape monster."

It's heavy though. I usually have to watch something 100% comedy after taking a couple episodes. Show can bum me the fuck out, much like Neo-BSG did.

SwordGai..... what... the... fuck.... There's nothing I can say that Googling "SwordGai Review" won't say better. This show is 100% (I dare say) objectively terrible. I would watch Sword Art Online over this. The only salvageable part is Blonde Guy meeting back up with his girlfriend because it has this entire Highlander + Davey Jones (from the Pirates of the Carbibean movie, where he can only see his woman every X years) vibe and it hits hard. It's so well done it makes me wonder how it even made it into the show. Imagine your heart had a groin and the show spent 15 minutes kicking it in the dick. The entire rest of the show is completely nonsensical but also a complete shotgun spread of characters and plots that go nowhere or end the exact way. It's like..... 80% filler and not even "bottle episode" filler. They managed to find a worse form of filler episode.

If I had to give an example: imagine Star Wars: ANH went into the backstory of every character in the Mos Eisley Cantina, and they were all just about murdering each other, but they still tried to have a main story about Luke Skywalker and the rest of the crew within the original run time.

The animation is pretty good, except the CGI "Sword-demon Mecha Samurai" (don't ask....) clashes badly with the style. The audio isn't great and the soundtrack is forgettable. It's "mature" because of Gore... so it's basically "Anime Fallout 4" in both the themes and the storytelling.
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I fucking LOVE Devilman. Read the manga ages ago and it really hits still. Especially when you remember that it came out in 1978, and went on to influence things like Evangelion and Berserk. Most Horror and Action-Horror owe a debt to it, as does the entire archetype of the mysterious white-haired pretty boy villain.
I know next to nothing about Devilman (well, I know about it now). I didn't realize until after watching that this was a retelling of the story, not a continuation. Was the original manga this graphic? Because this comes off to me like Todd's Spawn on HBO: essentially making the show/comic he always wanted to but NEVER could have found a publisher for.

Man.... I would have loved to see Angela in the show. Don't know why McFarlane had to be a dick about it... whatever.

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Re: Where can I find better anime?

Post by Majin Gojira » 2018-05-21 12:28pm

TheFeniX wrote:
2018-05-21 12:47am
I know next to nothing about Devilman (well, I know about it now). I didn't realize until after watching that this was a retelling of the story, not a continuation. Was the original manga this graphic? Because this comes off to me like Todd's Spawn on HBO: essentially making the show/comic he always wanted to but NEVER could have found a publisher for.
If I may?

Go Nagai is well known for pushing the boundaries of expression (and good taste). He's sort of like a combination Stan Lee and Loyd Koffman (founder of Troma Pictures). One of his early works, Harenchi Gakuen, got a lot of complaints about its sexual content (in a series that ran from 1968 through 1972).

Yeah, this is the guy who basically invented "Hentai".

He also invented anime Mecha as we know them today.

Anyway, Devilman at the time of its publication . . . was SUPER violent and bloody.

And, of course, had nudity too. Not as openly sexual as Crybaby is, but about as violent.

Which, for the 1970s, was SUPER extreme.

A lot of the violence is mitigated because it's a black and white manga with an older style to it, but it's still there.

And the big plot points from the new series are lifted right from the original. They added a great theme using the relay race thing, but mostly, the big stuff is right from the manga. Jinmen, the panic of the revelation, Miki's ultimate fate . . . all from the original source.

The main differences being it's a little rougher, cheesier, and things go in a slightly different order/way due to it being set in the 1980s rather than today.

A better comparison would be comparing the original Spider-Man comics to the cartoon Spectacular Spider-Man.

Also, Spoiler
It is technically a continuation too. The story of Devilman repeats itself over and over again. It's retold and redone, and twisted, but the core of it: Satan falling in love with Akira and ending up killing him, is basically Satan's punishment for rebelling against God. Over and over again, almost every iteration ends the same way and starts anew. Sometimes with another series or two twisted into being revealed as continuations. It's crazy, and sometimes hard to follow in a metatextual sense, but that's the basics of it.
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Re: Where can I find better anime?

Post by Crossroads Inc. » 2018-05-21 01:20pm

SAMAS wrote:
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Gargantia of the Verdant Planet is a pretty interesting series. A young mech pilot and his sentient machine find themselves crashed on a watery world, far from their battlefield. They end up on a huge flotilla of ships sailing the endless ocean, and find themselves having to make a life in a world that doesn't have much use for their skills.
SO seeing it having the words "Mech" in it, I looked up.
And then watched it last night... ALL Of it. like, the whole 13 episodes...

THANK YOU!
By far one of the best new Anime I have seen...AND Enjoyed in a while.
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Re: Where can I find better anime?

Post by TheFeniX » 2018-05-21 01:54pm

Gargantia was pretty good. Could have afforded to be a bit longer and expand out the themes and relationships a bit more. It suffers IMO because there's a lot of world-building in early episodes, then the plot kicks into high-gear and the series wraps itself up really quickly. That's not exactly exclusive to that show. Knights of Sidonia is much better in this regard (though it has gone on longer). The show is as fast and slow as it "needs" to be and I find they do a really good job with the pacing.
Majin Gojira wrote:
2018-05-21 12:28pm
A better comparison would be comparing the original Spider-Man comics to the cartoon Spectacular Spider-Man.
To be fair, I don't read comics. Never have. I have copies of the Collaboration "books" of Spawn (where other authors did work for the series) because the quality was incredible. But that's about it. Manga in general is a rather huge turn off to me. Some specific artwork aside, I'd much rather read the One Punch Man webcomic (and have) than bother with the Manga. I'm weird like that.

Did watch Cyborg 009 vs Devilman. Was a preeeeety hard cut going back to more PG-13 stuff. A decent watch, but as I know nothing about the Cyborg 009 stuff, I was lost for those portions. I thought, at the start, 009 was actually fighting a Greek God and was macking on the "real" Helena.

Anime be weird.
Also, Spoiler
It is technically a continuation too. The story of Devilman repeats itself over and over again. It's retold and redone, and twisted, but the core of it: Satan falling in love with Akira and ending up killing him, is basically Satan's punishment for rebelling against God. Over and over again, almost every iteration ends the same way and starts anew. Sometimes with another series or two twisted into being revealed as continuations. It's crazy, and sometimes hard to follow in a metatextual sense, but that's the basics of it.
Honestly, one of the easier anime to understand, coming from a Christian background and making the leap into a Japanese take. I know I beat it to death, but FLCL has set a bar so high in "near-incomprehensible anime bullshit, but still manages to be great," Devilman can't even rate here.

Either way, really good show.

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