U.S. Marines VS mythical beings

[Archinist]

A man, new to the area, moves into a hunting cabin near a forest after the previous owner died from mysterious causes. The man goes out at night to hunt some elk, but almost dies of hypothermia and retreats to his cabin. He lights the gas stove and oven which quickly heats the himself and the house, and the hunter relaxes quite a lot. He feels quite tired after the night's adventures, so he settles down on a couch and falls asleep, but awakens hours later almost dead and believes that there are demons outside trying to enter his mind.

He picks up a phone and calls the police and tells them that there is a terrible buzzing in his head and he can barely move as this is a result of the demons trying to enter his head. The police tell him to describe the intruders in more detail, but the windows are covered in condensation so dense that there are puddles of water on the floor, and he tells the police that the demons are hiding in the fog. The police send 6 men to kill the demons, but when they arrive the man has already been killed by mysterious causes with no external injuries whatsoever. The police even start to believe in the demons.

Even worse, the police got their cars stuck in mud near the house, so they have to spend the night at the house. Fortunately, they use some spare pipes in the house to pump heated gases from their cars to the house, in order to heat it so they don't die from hypothermia.

The heated gas warms the house quickly, and the officers begin to relax quite a lot and some go to sleep. Two officers go outside to patrol the area while the others are sound asleep inside their heated house, but when the two return, they are shocked to find out that the sleeping officers have been attacked and two are dead. They wake the other two with difficulty, but are mortified when they start raving on about something in their head and have the same symptoms as the original man. They realise that something truly out of the world is going on, and either an enemy nation is testing chemical weapons in that area or real demons are attacking, so they send an emergency distress signal to the U.S. military which quickly respond.

The two maddened police have a strange vision and believe that the demons are actually being generated by the cars and are invading through the pipes connected to the house and are thus slowly killing the officers, but the sane officers laugh and realise just how far gone the madmen really are.

They try to tell the maddened officers that if that were true, then everyone would be getting butchered by car-demons all the time and chuckle some more and then feel sorry for the maddened officers and execute them since they were just too screwed up in the head. The remaining two decide it would be better to take shelter in the house, so they do this but are never seen alive again.

Ten marines arrive with a helicopter, but it runs out of fuel as soon as it lands because the re-fueling man was lazy and couldn't be bothered waiting. They enter the house and find four dead officers with no external injuries and two with gunshots to the head. The marines board up the house and use 2 diesel generators inside the house for electricity, while running a massive gas heating radiator designed for usage within massive open-air warehouses into the house, to be absolutely sure they are warm and cozy. They guard the house all day without spotting anything, but when night falls an awful buzzing in their head warns them of encroaching demons!

Sorry if the story is a bit long and unnecessary, it just feels much better to have a proper reason as to why anything is happening.

The Marines will fight...

x1 slenderman

x1 rake

x1 yeti

x1 unarmed predator

x1 wendigo (from the Last House game, deadly to fire)

x1 eagle creature

x2 drop bears with uzis and 2 mags

x5 illuminati personnel

x10 zombies

These battles have TWO setups: one all at once, and the other from top to bottom, the marines healed/rearmed each time.

[U.P. Cinnabar]

Sorry if the story is a bit long and unnecessary, it just feels much better to have a proper reason as to why anything is happening.

How bout just "unnecessary bullshit?"

Where do I fucking start?

If the 911 call is coming from the back of beyond, then the local cops have 4×4s which would be more suitable to the terrain than ordinary police cruisers, and wouldn't get "stuck in the mud." Even for Crown Vics/Impalas, the mud would have to be pretty deep for them to become stuck in it...and, they would still get on the radio and call for assistance in getting their cruisers unstuck from the mud, even if they did get stuck in the mud.

And, really, the cops, the crime scene techs, and the medical personnel dispatched to the scene would all become stuck? Really?! Are ya sure?!

They wouldn't spend the night at a potential crime scene, knowing they would contaminate it. They would, however, quarantine it, and possibly call for the CDC in level 4 hazmat suits, as they have no earthly idea what killed this man, and there don't appear to be any indication of an outside intruder.

Fortunately, they use some spare pipes in the house to pump heated gases from their cars to the house, in order to heat it so they don't die from hypothermia.

Instead they die from carbon monoxide poisoning. Way to go, dude.

Besides, where they hell did they get the pipes, and why didn't they just build a fire in the fireplace, or...sigh, never mind. On with this crap cake.

and either an enemy nation is testing chemical weapons in that area or real demons are attacking, so they send an emergency distress signal to the U.S. military which quickly respond.

They can call in the military, but they can't call for assistance in getting their vehicles unstuck from the mud? Ohhhhkay!


Given especially that they wouldn't know the first thing about how to contact the military, the fact the regular military is forbidden by federal law to intervene in domestic situations, unless called in by people with way more authority than they have(and then in the case of a real, verifiable, threat to national security kind of emergency), or that the cops would call their chain of command first.

Not to mention the initial federal response to the scenario you just described would be to send in the CDC and maybe a military CBRN unit and not ten Marines whose helo wasn't properly fuelled(we'll get to that in a moment).

The two maddened police have a strange vision and believe that the demons are actually being generated by the cars and are invading through the pipes connected to the house and are thus slowly killing the officers, but the sane officers laugh and realise just how far gone the madmen really are.

They try to tell the maddened officers that if that were true, then everyone would be getting butchered by car-demons all the time and chuckle some more and then feel sorry for the maddened officers and execute them since they were just too screwed up in the head. The remaining two decide it would be better to take shelter in the house, so they do this but are never seen alive again.

They would kill their brother peace officers, instead of non-lethally subduing them?! And, then decide it would be a good idea to stay in the house where this is all happening, instead of a) calling for backup or b)getting the fuck out of Dodge and back to civilization on foot?!

Son, this is supposed to be a realistic scenario, not the plot of a shitty slasher flick where the characters are all supposed to be brain-dead morons in order for the slasher to be able to do his bloody work.

Anyway...

Ten marines arrive with a helicopter, but it runs out of fuel as soon as it lands because the re-fueling man was lazy and couldn't be bothered waiting.

Nonwithstanding the fact that the military is going to make damn sure the helo they send their men on is going to be fully-fuelled, anyone ever notice just how many of this boy's scenarios rely on extra-ordinary amounts of laziness and stupidity from the people involved with them. Archinist, even at my most cynical, I never thought the whole fucking world was lazy and stupid, especially at the bone-shocking levels that you portray them.

The marines board up the house and use 2 diesel generators inside the house for electricity

The jennies would be outside the house. Outside. And, why the fuck would the Marines board up the windows? Again, this scenario, like all your other scenarios, rests on everyone being mentally retarded to the point of permanent institutionalization.

while running a massive gas heating radiator designed for usage within massive open-air warehouses into the house, to be absolutely sure they are warm and cozy.

Where in the name of the Emperor of Terra would they get such a thing? Why a combat unit lug such a beast into a potential combat zone with them?! They're Marines, for fuck's sake! They know how to build a fire. Or, to suck it up and survive in the cold. And, they would be wearing cold-weather gear.

Also, they wouldn't be in the house where the alleged attacks took place. They would establish a perimeter outside it. These are real Marines, not the uniformed meatheads that too often play the part of servicemen in the movies.

They guard the house all day without spotting anything, but when night falls an awful buzzing in their head warns them of encroaching demons!

Yes, because intel did a shitty job, and they didn't think of donning full NBC protection after the evidence indicated a possible chemical/bioweapon component to the alleged attacks. And, again, the CDC would've been sent in first.

The Marines will fight...

x1 slenderman

x1 rake

x1 yeti

x1 unarmed predator

x1 wendigo (from the Last House game, deadly to fire)

x1 eagle creature

x2 drop bears with uzis and 2 mags

x5 illuminati personnel

x10 zombies

These battles have TWO setups: one all at once, and the other from top to bottom, the marines healed/rearmed each time.

Are they real or not? You've given zero indication the previous two alleged attacks weren't anything other than chemically induced or the result of mental imbalance.

And, of course, they're healed/rearmed each time, because this makes as much sense as a brainless first-person shooter.

I'm done.

[Tribble]

Sorry if the story is a bit long and unnecessary, it just feels much better to have a proper reason as to why anything is happening.

Given this is a vs thread you really don't need to have an overly complicated reason as to why the two sides are fighting each other. Giving a description of what each side is bringing to the fight is sufficient. Although this isn't the silliest chain of events you've come up with so far (IMO the "dinosaur" one takes the cake), you are hurting your scenario by making things unnecessarily convoluted.

For example, all you needed to do was say " ___ number of Marines in ___ Location with ___ equipment while facing ____ mythical beings with ____ powers. Each side's objective is ____ . What happens?"

[Lord Revan]

there's a reason most "rar" type scenarios never go beyond "because of an act of what ever divine being(or practically divine) the poster felt proper" because it servers as good enough setup without burdening the scenario with unneeded details. Basically for for a "what if" scenario you need "who are involved", "what's the terrain like (though not much detail is needed here, just what is vital)" and any special conditions (for example if one said has limited or improved access to gear or are all involved using standard gear), anything else is really just flavor and should be kept to minium possible.

[Archinist]

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Okay, calm down. I will explain everything.

The hut is more than 100 kilometers away from civilization, and the only police which were sent were the general units that carry guns and wear uniforms. There were no paramedics, crime scene detectors, any of that. And there were only 3 cars, with 2 police in each car. Remember, at the most the police were thinking that the man was just a bit nutty, and 6 people should be enough to handle him.

I think in real life, after looking around the building for a few minutes, the police would have a general idea of what happened. They would probably just think he had a heart attack or a stroke or whatever. It is not too unusual.

Usually, the general police are only in warm weather vests and shirts, so they would die outside in that cold weather.

Who says there even is a fireplace? What if it was a warm weather hunting cabin? Also, there are tons of gas pipes in the back section of the house for some reason. We'll say because the previous owner was thinking of setting up his own gas-heating setup, and had a bunch of required materials already there, but died of mysterious causes before he could do it.

Standard civilian tow trucks usually take half the day to reach you, never mind a military/heavy industrial 4X4 tow truck.

Umm... well we can say it was a covered-up mission because the marines were genuinely concerned about what was going on down there.

Well, the officers were a bit zoned-out themselves, and their fellow brethren looked like they were completely gone, as in permanently mad, so there was no point in keeping them alive, especially not in an active combat zone.

Nearest town is more than 100 kilometers away, and they would only survive about 30 minutes outside before dying.

They stayed in the house because it looked safe and secure, and it was sufficiently heated.

Meh. The military just wanted the marines to get there quickly before it became any worse.

The generators were inside the house because the cold/rough weather might damage them, the enemy might destroy/steal them, or they could be used against the marines.

Where would they build a fire? It would be dangerous for multiple reasons to build one inside the house. I guess they would just get the radiator from wherever all the factories in cold environments get theirs from, I doubt all those Siberian factories have dozens of works constantly dying from hypothermia everyday in a single factory.

Okay, by "cold", I mean they would have to be wearing multiple layers of extremely thick and heavy mountain gear to survive, and by that time they would be barely able to walk.

It does not matter if they are real or not. They still behave exactly as they would in real life (?).

I gave the scenario two different methods, one scenario where the Marines would have to face all the threats all at once, and another where they would only have to face on at a time and would get healed and rearmed between each round, just incase it was too difficult all at once.

there's a reason most "rar" type scenarios never go beyond "because of an act of what ever divine being(or practically divine) the poster felt proper" because it servers as good enough setup without burdening the scenario with unneeded details. Basically for for a "what if" scenario you need "who are involved", "what's the terrain like (though not much detail is needed here, just what is vital)" and any special conditions (for example if one said has limited or improved access to gear or are all involved using standard gear), anything else is really just flavor and should be kept to minium possible.

Mhm, I think I will try to keep the story in the next thread to only a paragraph or so.

[Lord Revan]

Frankly a single sentence (and it doesn't have to be a long one either) is enough, the setup should be limited what is vital to the scenario and at most few flavor peices at most. you don't need a complex setup but a clear one. If you want to write a story then write a story, if you want to have "what if" debate then have a "what if" debate don't try to do both of them at the same time it doesn't work.

[Elheru Aran]

If you want to write fiction, write fiction. If you want a versus, just put two sides in a setting and give them an objective.

If you can do a versus with some writing, do it well. If you can't, people get annoyed at you and criticize you personally rather than bothering to answer the versus.

EDIT: Less is more. Always. You don't have to be Hemingway, but you shouldn't be too far from that.

[U.P. Cinnabar]

There were no paramedics, crime scene detectors, any of that. And there were only 3 cars, with 2 police in each car. Remember, at the most the police were thinking that the man was just a bit nutty, and 6 people should be enough to handle him.

At an active crime scene?! Really?!

I think in real life, after looking around the building for a few minutes, the police would have a general idea of what happened. They would probably just think he had a heart attack or a stroke or whatever. It is not too unusual.

And, I think you honestly lack the brainpower to comprehend the Teletubbies, son. The dude died after making a 9/11 call,which means it's treated as an active crime scene by default, and they would have no way of determining cause of death outside of an autopsy, which is SOP for any death outside of a hospital in nearly every jurisdiction in the US.

Usually, the general police are only in warm weather vests and shirts, so they would die outside in that cold weather.

When they already know they're going to the fucking back of beyond?! In the dead of winter?! Again, your scenarios rely on those in them acting so gobsmackingly stupid as to make Kent Hovind look like Carl Sagan.

Let me see if I can make this clear for you, boy. If he can call 911 from whatever buttfuck and nowhere he's at, then said buttfuck and nowhere is in some police department's jurisdiction, and they would be equipped appropriately.

Who says there even is a fireplace? What if it was a warm weather hunting cabin? Also, there are tons of gas pipes in the back section of the house for some reason. We'll say because the previous owner was thinking of setting up his own gas-heating setup, and had a bunch of required materials already there, but died of mysterious causes before he could do it.

Seriously, dude?! The previous owner was thinking of setting up his own gas-heating setup, because there were natural gas deposits conveniently close by that he could somehow exploit with just a few spare pipes, never mind all the fuss in tapping that deposit and refining the gas.

Or, if he was going to pay a gas company to install a tank and lines to his cabin, as most people with more than two braincells to rub together would, then he was close enough to civilization to have this done(or was hellishly rich to begin with)to begin with, so your scenario fails. Again.

And, who says there's a fireplace. Hmm, let's see, cabin in the woods sixty miles from nowhere, with plenty of free heating and cooking fuel, so I'd reckon common sense says there's a fireplace.

Moreover, if it was a warm-weather hunting cabin, why is there someone staying there in the winter. Oy, vey....

Standard civilian tow trucks usually take half the day to reach you, never mind a military/heavy industrial 4X4 tow truck.

Yes, when all you have to do is wait, at best, twelve hours for help you know is on the way, and with whom you can keep in contact with, you can instead opt to contaminate an active crime scene by holing up inside it, and hooking up pipes to your cars' a/c systems to keep you warm, as you die of carbon monoxide poisioning.

And, a hundred klicks is roughly sixty-two miles. How, pray tell, will it take half a day for tow trucks, assuming travel at 55-70 mph, to travel sixty fucking miles one way?! Someone seriously needs to re-take fourth-grade math, and it isn't me.

Umm... well we can say it was a covered-up mission because the marines were genuinely concerned about what was going on down there.

Oh, merciful Throne, take me now!

No, we can't say that these Marines are going to commit a Federal offense, and land themselves in Levanworth for a not inconsiderable number of years(not to mention that whole loss of rank and dishonorable discharge thing) without orders from higher, because they were genuinelly concerned about what was going on down there. And, that's assuming that these cops, who can magically call for help, but not when it involves them getting stuck in the mud, and not to check in with headquarters on a regular basis, can get through to the local military base, and be taken seriously by whoever's on the other end.

Nearest town is more than 100 kilometers away, and they would only survive about 30 minutes outside before dying.

Yes, because their comrades couldn't be asses to send backup, even though the scene is an hour's travel time away, and their comrades, for some reason, hadn't bothered to check in. Why, that makes all the sense in the world. Just as it makes sense to treat Geoffrey of Monmouth as a credible historian.

Give me strength!

Well, the officers were a bit zoned-out themselves, and their fellow brethren looked like they were completely gone, as in permanently mad, so there was no point in keeping them alive, especially not in an active combat zone.

You just said the other two were SANE in your OP! Now, you're back-watering, because the idiotic idea of them just shooting their brother peace officers was poked full of holes?! Really?!

They stayed in the house because it looked safe and secure, and it was sufficiently heated.

They stayed where five people were killed under questionable circumstances, instead of establishing a perimeter outside the house, because of things that mean fuck all to trained combat soldiers? Are you currently in middle management? Because that's something so jaw-droppingly fucking dumb, only a middle manager could've come up with it.

Meh. The military just wanted the marines to get there quickly before it became any worse.

I'm just...gobsmacked. Just...gobsmacked.

For one, you're backtracking again, first saying the helo wasn't fully fueled because of some lazy fucker on the ground crew, then you're saying the military just wanted them out there on an illegal mission as quickly as possible.

And, even if that were the case, even, if, for some unexplained and highly-implausible reason they'd assigned them a helo whose tanks were bone-dry, they wouldn't skimp on safety like that. They know soldiering's a hazardous enough occupation without risking their people's lives on preventible accidents.

The generators were inside the house because the cold/rough weather might damage them, the enemy might destroy/steal them, or they could be used against the marines.

Carbon.

Monoxide.

Poisoning.

Say it with me, son.

And, again, I don't know of too many infantry squads that would be lugging diesel jennies with them to potential combat zones. Even if they did, for whatever contrived and utterly-implausible reason, they would post a guard on them, so nothing bad happens to them.

Where would they build a fire? It would be dangerous for multiple reasons to build one inside the house. I guess they would just get the radiator from wherever all the factories in cold environments get theirs from, I doubt all those Siberian factories have dozens of works constantly dying from hypothermia everyday in a single factory.

They wouldn't be in the house in the first place, but establishing a perimeter outside it. And, why the fuck would an infantry squad haul shit like radiators and generators around with them in a potential combat zone. What they do in Siberia is irrelevant to a unit dependent on mobility and maneuverability not lugging crap around which reduces both.

Okay, by "cold", I mean they would have to be wearing multiple layers of extremely thick and heavy mountain gear to survive, and by that time they would be barely able to walk.

Congratulations, slugger. That bit of stupidity just got you promoted to upper management. Because, in Archinist World, the United States Armed Forces neither trains its warfighters to survive in sub-zero temps nor issues the appropriate gear for them to survive said conditions.

Mhm, I think I will try to keep the story in the next thread to only a paragraph or so.

How about you stop writing these stories. And, while you're at it, stop procreating as well.

[U.P. Cinnabar]

If you want to write fiction, write fiction. If you want a versus, just put two sides in a setting and give them an objective.

If you can do a versus with some writing, do it well. If you can't, people get annoyed at you and criticize you personally rather than bothering to answer the versus.

EDIT: Less is more. Always. You don't have to be Hemingway, but you shouldn't be too far from that.

There's no versus, if it doesn't make sense. Goddamn, does the first R in RAR stand for "Ridiculously?!"

[Simon_Jester]

It stands for "Random Alternate Reality."
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Archinist?

I would like to make a suggestion.

Every time you even THINK of putting the word "police" into one of these scenarios, just... stop. Just stop. It never goes well.

You don't seem to be able to come up with a plausible scenario about how police and rescue services and soldiers actually behave. You keep imagining them acting like morons, so that they can stumble into a bad situation so that you can set up your funky horror movie scenarios.

You still haven't learned that lesson I suggested to you a few threads ago. You're still not thinking of them as people. Your police don't act like people who think and plan ahead and want to be safe and responsible and protect other people. They act like tiny babies who aren't grown up enough to plan ahead, and don't care about being safe or responsible or protecting others.

That's not how real adults behave.
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I would also like to ask, in all honesty:

How old are you?

Do you have life experience? I can understand the unrealism and weirdness of your scenarios if you are, say, a fourteen year old child. Not so easy to understand if you're a thirty year old adult, unless there's something very unusual about your upbringing.

It's okay to admit that you don't have experience of the things you're talking about. People will understand. They'll be a lot kinder and more helpful if you're honest, than if you pretend to know things you don't actually know. On this website, pretending to know things you don't actually know is breaking the rules and other people will notice and laugh at you. Whereas honestly asking people things can go pretty well.

[Batman]

Wait, what? RAR actually means something?

[Archinist]

There were no paramedics, crime scene detectors, any of that. And there were only 3 cars, with 2 police in each car. Remember, at the most the police were thinking that the man was just a bit nutty, and 6 people should be enough to handle him.

At an active crime scene?! Really?!

Yes, really! Guess what, the police department 100 KM away is actually just a small 10-man station, and they have no crime scene personnel in th entire town, since it only has about 10,000 people. Plus they didn't know what to expect when they arrived, for all they know it could have just been a man walking in circles raving about demons and tin foil hats.

I think in real life, after looking around the building for a few minutes, the police would have a general idea of what happened. They would probably just think he had a heart attack or a stroke or whatever. It is not too unusual.

And, I think you honestly lack the brainpower to comprehend the Teletubbies, son. The dude died after making a 9/11 call,which means it's treated as an active crime scene by default, and they would have no way of determining cause of death outside of an autopsy, which is SOP for any death outside of a hospital in nearly every jurisdiction in the US.

As I said, their manpower is limited so this means they have to use their bodies to determine things more, so if they arrived a heavily defended terrorist base, and were attacked they would have to find ways to work with that until some proper backup came hours later, instead of just calling a bunch of backups in and expecting them to arrive immediately.

Obviously there would be crime scene people coming in later, but since the small town is not actually equipped for handling murders, they would just have put barricades and police tape around and leave.

Usually, the general police are only in warm weather vests and shirts, so they would die outside in that cold weather.

When they already know they're going to the fucking back of beyond?! In the dead of winter?! Again, your scenarios rely on those in them acting so gobsmackingly stupid as to make Kent Hovind look like Carl Sagan

Let me see if I can make this clear for you, boy. If he can call 911 from whatever buttfuck and nowhere he's at, then said buttfuck and nowhere is in some police department's jurisdiction, and they would be equipped appropriately.

Okay, you see that inside the town and up to 100's of km outside, it is perfectly safe to walk around naked at night time. But where the hunting cabin is, is an odd circle of coldness for about 30km. However, this coldness is tricky because it is actually very warm and pleasant to run around naked in this circle, but at night it very quickly becomes cold enough to kill within minutes. There are also no signs that most extremely cold environments would have, and is very odd.

Who says there even is a fireplace? What if it was a warm weather hunting cabin? Also, there are tons of gas pipes in the back section of the house for some reason. We'll say because the previous owner was thinking of setting up his own gas-heating setup, and had a bunch of required materials already there, but died of mysterious causes before he could do it.

Seriously, dude?! The previous owner was thinking of setting up his own gas-heating setup, because there were natural gas deposits conveniently close by that he could somehow exploit with just a few spare pipes, never mind all the fuss in tapping that deposit and refining the gas.


Or, if he was going to pay a gas company to install a tank and lines to his cabin, as most people with more than two braincells to rub together would, then he was close enough to civilization to have this done(or was hellishly rich to begin with)to begin with, so your scenario fails. Again.

No. Either there were gas bottles he already had or was planning to order in, or the government had already dug out a gas pipeline to his house. It can be either one.

He knows what he was doing, and was going to pipe everything up himself because he was an expert and had previously worked on explosive gas lines.

But one night after he had finished installing his gas stove in his house, yes indeed, that very night he died of very mysterious circumstances.

And, who says there's a fireplace. Hmm, let's see, cabin in the woods sixty miles from nowhere, with plenty of free heating and cooking fuel, so I'd reckon common sense says there's a fireplace.

Moreover, if it was a warm-weather hunting cabin, why is there someone staying there in the winter. Oy, vey....

Because that person was actually very poor and could not afford anything else, and the cabin was extremely cheap. Just like in plenty of horror movies.

Standard civilian tow trucks usually take half the day to reach you, never mind a military/heavy industrial 4X4 tow truck.

Yes, when all you have to do is wait, at best, twelve hours for help you know is on the way, and with whom you can keep in contact with, you can instead opt to contaminate an active crime scene by holing up inside it, and hooking up pipes to your cars' a/c systems to keep you warm, as you die of carbon monoxide poisioning.

And, a hundred klicks is roughly sixty-two miles. How, pray tell, will it take half a day for tow trucks, assuming travel at 55-70 mph, to travel sixty fucking miles one way?! Someone seriously needs to re-take fourth-grade math, and it isn't me.

Not just any tow truck, an extremely costly 4X4 tow truck. I've never, ever seen one of those in real life at all, even at truck/car shows, so that must mean they're rare. So the closest city with a 4X4 tow truck service is 300 miles away from the town, you see. And because they're so expensive to run, the customers must pay a $5,000 fee which increases by half every extra 50 kilometers over 200 km.

Also, the customers must actually order and wait 1-2 business days until the company will accept their request, and can expect the truck to appear the next day.

Umm... well we can say it was a covered-up mission because the marines were genuinely concerned about what was going on down there.

Oh, merciful Throne, take me now!

No, we can't say that these Marines are going to commit a Federal offense, and land themselves in Levanworth for a not inconsiderable number of years(not to mention that whole loss of rank and dishonorable discharge thing) without orders from higher, because they were genuinelly concerned about what was going on down there. And, that's assuming that these cops, who can magically call for help, but not when it involves them getting stuck in the mud, and not to check in with headquarters on a regular basis, can get through to the local military base, and be taken seriously by whoever's on the other end.

Um, okay. So how it went is that the cops called their HQ that demons were invading and the HQ called the military base and told them that the demons were coming to make humanity extinct, so the marines sent 10 marines as a recon force, not an attack force.

Nearest town is more than 100 kilometers away, and they would only survive about 30 minutes outside before dying.

Yes, because their comrades couldn't be asses to send backup, even though the scene is an hour's travel time away, and their comrades, for some reason, hadn't bothered to check in. Why, that makes all the sense in the world. Just as it makes sense to treat Geoffrey of Monmouth as a credible historian.

No one said they hadn't checked in.

Give me strength!

Well, the officers were a bit zoned-out themselves, and their fellow brethren looked like they were completely gone, as in permanently mad, so there was no point in keeping them alive, especially not in an active combat zone.

You just said the other two were SANE in your OP! Now, you're back-watering, because the idiotic idea of them just shooting their brother peace officers was poked full of holes?! Really?!

What? The officers are still sane, though. The two sane ones are slightly "zoned-out", NOT insane, while the others have completely lost it.

They stayed in the house because it looked safe and secure, and it was sufficiently heated.

They stayed where five people were killed under questionable circumstances, instead of establishing a perimeter outside the house, because of things that mean fuck all to trained combat soldiers? Are you currently in middle management? Because that's something so jaw-droppingly fucking dumb, only a middle manager could've come up with it.

Instead of establishing a perimeter outside the house...and dying within minutes from the cold. Brilliant!

They boarded up the house with wooden boards but left gaps so that they can look outside without being seen too easily. Then they took out their guns and walked around the house, constantly peering out and checking for anyone unusual outside. Let's say that they were actually not aware of the drastically extreme climate in the area.

Meh. The military just wanted the marines to get there quickly before it became any worse.

I'm just...gobsmacked. Just...gobsmacked.

For one, you're backtracking again, first saying the helo wasn't fully fueled because of some lazy fucker on the ground crew, then you're saying the military just wanted them out there on an illegal mission as quickly as possible.

And, even if that were the case, even, if, for some unexplained and highly-implausible reason they'd assigned them a helo whose tanks were bone-dry, they wouldn't skimp on safety like that. They know soldiering's a hazardous enough occupation without risking their people's lives on preventible accidents.

It can be a mixture of both, the re-fueller telling the pilots not to worry and focus on the mission just in case it is very important, while the fuller was impatient and couldn't wait to finish fuelling the aircraft up so he could go home.

The generators were inside the house because the cold/rough weather might damage them, the enemy might destroy/steal them, or they could be used against the marines.

Carbon.

Monoxide.

Poisoning.

Say it with me, son.

And, again, I don't know of too many infantry squads that would be lugging diesel jennies with them to potential combat zones. Even if they did, for whatever contrived and utterly-implausible reason, they would post a guard on them, so nothing bad happens to them.

Well they were actually supposed to stay there and fortify the area until a larger force of marines arrived (say 500+), so obviously they would require generators for electricity and heat source.

Also, is posting guards away from the main base when they are only 10 people a good idea? There would need to be at least 3 people per generator so they don't get picked off too easily, leaving only 4 people at the base.

Where would they build a fire? It would be dangerous for multiple reasons to build one inside the house. I guess they would just get the radiator from wherever all the factories in cold environments get theirs from, I doubt all those Siberian factories have dozens of works constantly dying from hypothermia everyday in a single factory.

They wouldn't be in the house in the first place, but establishing a perimeter outside it. And, why the fuck would an infantry squad haul shit like radiators and generators around with them in a potential combat zone. What they do in Siberia is irrelevant to a unit dependent on mobility and maneuverability not lugging crap around which reduces both.

They didn't arrive in foot, they came with a helicopter, so they can take what they want. It was cold and their base didn't have any cold weather clothing because it was designed with warm weather operations in mind. There you go.

Okay, by "cold", I mean they would have to be wearing multiple layers of extremely thick and heavy mountain gear to survive, and by that time they would be barely able to walk.

Congratulations, slugger. That bit of stupidity just got you promoted to upper management. Because, in Archinist World, the United States Armed Forces neither trains its warfighters to survive in sub-zero temps nor issues the appropriate gear for them to survive said conditions.

Mhm, I think I will try to keep the story in the next thread to only a paragraph or so.

How about you stop writing these stories. And, while you're at it, stop procreating as well

Does it really matter about the story? You're actually supposed to just chuckle at the story and forget about it forever. How about the actual vs debate?

It stands for "Random Alternate Reality."
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Archinist?

I would like to make a suggestion.

Every time you even THINK of putting the word "police" into one of these scenarios, just... stop. Just stop. It never goes well.

You don't seem to be able to come up with a plausible scenario about how police and rescue services and soldiers actually behave. You keep imagining them acting like morons, so that they can stumble into a bad situation so that you can set up your funky horror movie scenarios.

You still haven't learned that lesson I suggested to you a few threads ago. You're still not thinking of them as people. Your police don't act like people who think and plan ahead and want to be safe and responsible and protect other people. They act like tiny babies who aren't grown up enough to plan ahead, and don't care about being safe or responsible or protecting others.

That's not how real adults behave.
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I would also like to ask, in all honesty:

How old are you?

Do you have life experience? I can understand the unrealism and weirdness of your scenarios if you are, say, a fourteen year old child. Not so easy to understand if you're a thirty year old adult, unless there's something very unusual about your upbringing.

It's okay to admit that you don't have experience of the things you're talking about. People will understand. They'll be a lot kinder and more helpful if you're honest, than if you pretend to know things you don't actually know. On this website, pretending to know things you don't actually know is breaking the rules and other people will notice and laugh at you. Whereas honestly asking people things can go pretty well.

What about comic book artists and designers? Most of them are probably about 40 or 50 years old, and they're usually well-respected by the public, while still having ridiculous settings.

[Lord Revan]

comic settings are rarely if ever like this, they have their own set of rules that they remain semi-consistent with. Your stuff on the other reeks of "lets throw random cool things together surely that has to be cool too" there's no thought as to how things all fits together so it comes of as random noise.

That's why Simon asked about your age, for a child or even a teen this kind throw random stuff together is typical because they don't know better for an adult of the other they generally do know better and know there's more to things then throwing random stuff together and calling it done.

[Formless]

Wait, what? RAR actually means something?

It doesn't, of course; for those who don't know, it started with this post and was clearly satire rather than an acronym.

However, I have to admit that "random alternate reality" is a better retronym than the others I've seen.

[Simon_Jester]

Archinist, you didn't address anything I said, you just tried to evade the questions and concerns I raised.

Please stop trying to pretend. At this point there are three options:
1) You are very young (or have led a sheltered life), and as a result you have little practical experience of how people behave.
2) You are very, very foolish, or mentally ill, or both.
3) You are trolling us, and spending a lot more of your time than necessary to do it.

So, which is it?

[Sea Skimmer]

Wait, what? RAR actually means something?

It doesn't, of course; for those who don't know, it started with this post and was clearly satire rather than an acronym.

However, I have to admit that "random alternate reality" is a better retronym than the others I've seen.

Yeah seriously, random alternate reality? Never heard that one before. It was a reference to a sound if it's anything. At least that's what I assumed. Like an animal letting out some bizarre growl-roar sound before spewing out more nonsense sounds in crazy anger. In that respect this guy is using it very well, in terms of creating something worth smiling over, less so.

A forum search suggests said retronym was created by raw shark, this year. I suppose though I see no reason not to use it, but it's not very crazy, and that's kind of lame.

[Simon_Jester]

I could swear I've heard it before that time.

[Archinist]

Archinist, you didn't address anything I said, you just tried to evade the questions and concerns I raised.

Please stop trying to pretend. At this point there are three options:
1) You are very young (or have led a sheltered life), and as a result you have little practical experience of how people behave.
2) You are very, very foolish, or mentally ill, or both.
3) You are trolling us, and spending a lot more of your time than necessary to do it.

So, which is it?

Neither one. The reason I did not address anything you was because I simply could not be bothered after replying to all of the messages from that other guy.

You seem to think that I believe these hypothetical scenarios are at least somewhat realistic, which is quite far off what I'm actually thinking. These scenarios are pure fantasy and are really only just for fun and are not supposed to be taken too seriously.

[Adam Reynolds]

I hate to add to the dogpile, but I will make one more point that hasn't been said.

Archinist, when the entire board unanimously points out problems with the scenarios you outline, generally the prudent thing to do is to reconsider your premise rather than to double down and defend it. You aren't the lone voice of reason and reconsidering your position is not a sign of weakness, it is a sign of intelligence.

And if it is just a fantasy, why are you wasting so much time justifying it?

Anyway, I had also always thought RAR referred to the sound as well, at least I always treated it that way. Though the backronym does date back to at least '06 from Raw Shark, looking at the search history. So it isn't that recent.

The other frequent designation used to justify these scenarios of ROB I believe always referred to Random Omnipotent Being, used to justify absurd match ups. Which is something Archinist should learn to use.

[Simon_Jester]

Archinist, you didn't address anything I said, you just tried to evade the questions and concerns I raised.

Please stop trying to pretend. At this point there are three options:
1) You are very young (or have led a sheltered life), and as a result you have little practical experience of how people behave.
2) You are very, very foolish, or mentally ill, or both.
3) You are trolling us, and spending a lot more of your time than necessary to do it.

So, which is it?

Neither one. The reason I did not address anything you was because I simply could not be bothered after replying to all of the messages from that other guy.

No, seriously, which is it?

Is this all just some strange gambit to waste our time, or what?

What could you possibly have to lose by answering?

[Archinist]

I hate to add to the dogpile, but I will make one more point that hasn't been said.

Archinist, when the entire board unanimously points out problems with the scenarios you outline, generally the prudent thing to do is to reconsider your premise rather than to double down and defend it. You aren't the lone voice of reason and reconsidering your position is not a sign of weakness, it is a sign of intelligence.

And if it is just a fantasy, why are you wasting so much time justifying it?

Anyway, I had also always thought RAR referred to the sound as well, at least I always treated it that way. Though the backronym does date back to at least '06 from Raw Shark, looking at the search history. So it isn't that recent.

The other frequent designation used to justify these scenarios of ROB I believe always referred to Random Omnipotent Being, used to justify absurd match ups. Which is something Archinist should learn to use.

Well, I usually like to reply when people post giant walls of replies to certain parts of a story, especially if each response is quite dense. It seems a bit rude to just say "oh a ROB/ASB/RAR did it." And I already said a post ago that the scenario is utter BS and nothing like this would ever happen IRL.

Archinist, you didn't address anything I said, you just tried to evade the questions and concerns I raised.

Please stop trying to pretend. At this point there are three options:
1) You are very young (or have led a sheltered life), and as a result you have little practical experience of how people behave.
2) You are very, very foolish, or mentally ill, or both.
3) You are trolling us, and spending a lot more of your time than necessary to do it.

So, which is it?

Neither one. The reason I did not address anything you was because I simply could not be bothered after replying to all of the messages from that other guy.

No, seriously, which is it?

Is this all just some strange gambit to waste our time, or what?

What could you possibly have to lose by answering?

I already did answer. None of those three choices are correct.

And I would probably lose quite a lot of credibility from consenting to either #2 or #1, and probably get banned (falsely) from the forum from consenting to the #3 option, even though I am not trolling anyone.

[U.P. Cinnabar]

Yes, really! Guess what, the police department 100 KM away is actually just a small 10-man station, and they have no crime scene personnel in th entire town, since it only has about 10,000 people. Plus they didn't know what to expect when they arrived, for all they know it could have just been a man walking in circles raving about demons and tin foil hats.

Guess what?! The police department an hour's drive from the crime scene will have an arrangement with either another city's police department*, the county sheriff's department(a town of 10,000 is big enough to be the county seat, in any case), or the state investigative agency(OSBI in Oklahoma, SLED in South Carolina, GBI in Georgia, CBI, I think, in California, etc.)to share crime scene techs with them, so that's utterly, completely irrelevant.

And, the police will assume the worst with an interrupted 911 call, until they have established otherwise at the scene. That's one of the reasons making a false 911 call is a criminal offense in any jurisdiction in the United States.

*For example, the city of Wagoner, OK(where I live)have standing arrangements with both the Muskogee PD(15 minutes away) and the Broken Arrow PD(a half hour's drive) to borrow their SWAT and CSI teams when needed. The Wagoner County Sheriff also has a SWAT and a crime scene team on loan to the city when needed(Wagoner being the county seat).

The city of Byron, GA(roughly 3,000 people, give or take)has a standing arrangement with the Georgia Buerau of Investigation office in Perry(15 minutes away), the Peach County Sheriff's Department(15 minutes away), the Warner Robins Police Department(their city limits overlap), and the Macon PD(30 minutes away) for the use of their crime-scene tech and, if need be, their SWAT teams(all but the GBI).

As I said, their manpower is limited so this means they have to use their bodies to determine things more, so if they arrived a heavily defended terrorist base, and were attacked they would have to find ways to work with that until some proper backup came hours later, instead of just calling a bunch of backups in and expecting them to arrive immediately.

Obviously there would be crime scene people coming in later, but since the small town is not actually equipped for handling murders, they would just have put barricades and police tape around and leave.

Last point first. When police cordon off a crime scene, they do so with bodies and barricades. Not one or the other, sport. If they don't have the manpower, they either call in reserve officers(which every American police force has), or they call in reinforcements from other jurisdictions. The latter is quite common amongst police services in a given area in the United States.

Now, for the first point. If the police were to encounter say, a terrorist base, or something else they can't handle on their own, they establish a cordon and call in reinforcements from neigboring jurisdictions, and/or the sheriff's department, the state police, or the appropriate Federal authorities.

Their manpower is limited, so they make arrangements to compensate, without compromising their oath to protect and serve.

No. Either there were gas bottles he already had or was planning to order in, or the government had already dug out a gas pipeline to his house. It can be either one.

He knows what he was doing, and was going to pipe everything up himself because he was an expert and had previously worked on explosive gas lines.

But one night after he had finished installing his gas stove in his house, yes indeed, that very night he died of very mysterious circumstances.

The government wouldn't be doing shit, unless it was a State-owned natural gas company, like ONG or OG&E here in Oklahoma. It would be a gas company, privately or publicly-owned.

Oh, now, he has a gas stove, after two posts of there not being any means of heating the house. So why do you have an infantry squad bringing in their own heater and cops dying of carbon monoxide poisoning by hooking up pipes to their cars' a/c systems?

This is what happens when you don't keep your initial RAR post short and sweet, and bog the reader down with mounds of details. It's far too late to change your story now, little britches.

Because that person was actually very poor and could not afford anything else, and the cabin was extremely cheap. Just like in plenty of horror movies.

Oy, vey.

Not just any tow truck, an extremely costly 4X4 tow truck. I've never, ever seen one of those in real life at all, even at truck/car shows, so that must mean they're rare. So the closest city with a 4X4 tow truck service is 300 miles away from the town, you see. And because they're so expensive to run, the customers must pay a $5,000 fee which increases by half every extra 50 kilometers over 200 km.

Also, the customers must actually order and wait 1-2 business days until the company will accept their request, and can expect the truck to appear the next day.

Rare?! How about "there ain't no such critter?" Unless, of course, said critter smells like wild goose or red herring. Either will suffice.

Any town of 10,000 maniacs is going to have at least one towing service. And there will be a towing service with which the city will have an exclusive contract. If they make service calls out to the back of beyond which is an hour's drive from the city of 10,000 Maniacs, then they already have whatever equipment they need on hand to deal with such calls, or a lease agreement with someone who does, and it's on site in said city of 10,000 Maniacs, ready to respond to service calls in said back of beyond which is an hour's drive away.,

And, the city of 10,000 Maniacs will be well and properly soaked for the use of said equipment by their contractor towing company.

Um, okay. So how it went is that the cops called their HQ that demons were invading and the HQ called the military base and told them that the demons were coming to make humanity extinct, so the marines sent 10 marines as a recon force, not an attack force.

Even their chief is unlikely to have the pull to authorize US military(regular forces) intervention on American soil. What he will do is request officers from neighboring jurisdictions, the sheriff's department, state and, possibly federal non-military authorities.

No one said they hadn't checked in.

You implied they hadn't.

What? The officers are still sane, though. The two sane ones are slightly "zoned-out", NOT insane, while the others have completely lost it.

Slightly zoned-out but still in command of their faculties means training is not overriden, and the two sane policemen have zero compulsion to kill brother peace officers as a first response.

Instead of establishing a perimeter outside the house...and dying within minutes from the cold. Brilliant!

Because in Archinist World, the United States Armed Forces neither trains nor equips its warfighters to survive in any terrestrial enviroment, including extreme cold.

They boarded up the house with wooden boards but left gaps so that they can look outside without being seen too easily. Then they took out their guns and walked around the house, constantly peering out and checking for anyone unusual outside.

Even though a) the unusual activity clearly took place inside the house, and b) if they had to fire their weapons through the gaps in the windows that are boarded up for no military reason, they would shatter the windows and let in the cold.

Let's say that they were actually not aware of the drastically extreme climate in the area.

Because in Archinist World, trained combat soldiers are utterly oblivious to their immediate surroundings, including cold weather which is observable to the entire outside world.

It can be a mixture of both

It would be a mixture of neither, actually. Unless, by mixture, you mean the mixture of freon, gasoline and liquid paper you were huffing when you typed this post.

[quotethe re-fueller telling the pilots not to worry and focus on the mission just in case it is very important

Beacuse, Archinist World, ground crew are told the details of every mission the helos they're servicing are sent on. And, also, in Archinist World, the pilots would be so fucking stupid that they wouldn't tell the ground crew to fuck off and fill their tanks up, because the ground crew's part of the mission is ensuring that the helo has the fuel it needs to get there safely, safely support the boots it puts on the deck, and safely extract them and bring them home.



First off, the ground crew are military, and live on base, so they're already home. Second, they will do their job, first, last, foremost, because any tragedy resulting from their failure to do otherwise is non-judicial punishment at the very best, and a court-martial at worst, especially if said tragedy claims lives.

Again, your scenarios rest on the people in them being lazy and stupid to a ridiculous degree.



Then the jennies and the heaters would arrive with the following (roughly)battalion-strength marine force, not the the squad sent in as a reconaissance force(your words, from earlier in the post).



One four-man fire team to patrol the area around both generators, while the others are at the base. Assuming they forget their training and camp inside the house.

When a squad in the field has to set up camp, some stand watch while the others rest.

SOP. It ain't just for war movies and Generation Kill, Bright Eyes.



Because in Archinist World, an infantry squad on recon patrol takes unnecessary shit that will get in their way.



Because in Archinist World, the United States Armed Forces neither trains nor equips its warfighters to survive in any terrestrial enviroment, including extreme cold. And, US military bases in Archinist World do not have equipment for all enviroments, even though the warfighters assigned to them are consistently deployed overseas...to whatever enviroment awaits them.



If the story selling the vs. debate makes zero sense, then the vs. debate makes zero sense. Simple enough concept.

The comic book writers who come up with stories consistent with the universe in which they are set, and have at least some connection to reality(as the better-conceived comic book verse do) are well-respected. Wankers who pen stories which make zero sense(e.g. that whole recent Cap's a Nazi bullshit)are reviled by the fandom, and justly so.

[U.P. Cinnabar]

Archinist, you didn't address anything I said, you just tried to evade the questions and concerns I raised.

Please stop trying to pretend. At this point there are three options:
1) You are very young (or have led a sheltered life), and as a result you have little practical experience of how people behave.
2) You are very, very foolish, or mentally ill, or both.
3) You are trolling us, and spending a lot more of your time than necessary to do it.

So, which is it?

At this point, I'm leaning toward #3.

[Archinist]

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Calm down, it's just a FANTASY. It's not supposed to represent the actions of any real life organizations in any way. The town is completely fictional, the marine unit is fictional, and the characters are all fantasy.

HOWEVER! The characters in the vs debate use their IRL rulesets, meaning that the marines are sentient creatures and so are the beasts.

Oh, and as for the stove, well either a. he hasn't hooked it up yet, or b. it ran out of gas when the man had it in all night in his house, or c. the police thought it too dangerous to have a gas stove on for heating OR didn't notice it. (the man was careless)

So, yeah, you're mainly supposed to ignore the story. There is also a hidden clue as to the real identity of the demons and why they (in-story) they only attack when people are inside the cabin, but I doubt anyone could ever notice.

[Swindle1984]

Are obvious 12 year olds allowed to post on this forum?