Joun_Lord wrote:I am also enjoying the drama it seems to be causing on some parts of the intertubes. Some have taken to calling it such clever names as "AKA Tumblr". People are bitching about the fact that the entire cast is either female or a minority with the exception of the villain and one of the white dude roles (the lawyer person apparently) was changed into a gay female to check those PC boxes.
Strangely there wasn't much bitching when on Daredevil there was only like one black person in the main-ish cast (the reporter) and few minorities in general save members of the token asian gang.
Yep, there's a certain demographic that is so used to being catered to that when someone does something different they find it scary and threatening and they lash out.
Personally, I'm rather enjoying a tale where the focus is on women. Not “women's issues”, but women dealing with human problems as human beings.
Tsyroc wrote:As for the internet. I'm getting to the point where there is so much hostility and negativity about anything that anyone likes it just depresses me because that means there are a lot of hateful and angry people out there. This includes the Marvel vs. DC (shows & movies) people. I can't always even tell if it's just trolls being trolls. I mean, really? Is it that fun to just go stir shit up?
Some people just don't have enough drama in their lives. Not that I'm s superhero or ninja, but just dealing with interpersonal shit on a daily basis is drama enough for me – and then these same poseurs get into endless TV soap operas. Really? Don't you enough of that shit just going to work every day?
I've always enjoyed both DC and Marvel comics, and I'm enjoying at least some of the current movie and TV output of both. I don't see a need to divide into US vs THEM camps and defend the borders. But then, I'm weird.
IMDB's forum had a lot people complaining about and arguing about the sex scenes. I liked that they were there, although I thought one could have been directed better. I was a little annoyed at Daredevil that it teased at some nudity/sex with Karen in one of the early episodes and then that was it. It's not that Daredevil needs sex scenes or nudity it was just an annoying tease that didn't need to be there.
I liked that
Daredevil did NOT have a romantic story B. What went on in
Jessica Jones.... it fits in with the storyline and it's complicated and not all wonderful. It's not Hollywood romance.
Didn't Jones and Cage wind up married in the comics?
I haven't looked at any of the boards for the show for a bit now but I was surprised that there weren't complaints about the lesbian storyline because of the cheating, the vindictiveness, and mostly because one of them ends up killed by the other. I thought all three characters had some complexity to them which was cool but I thought there was a thing were it is almost a trope that lesbian characters tend to end up evil and/or dead. So I was expecting to see bitching about that.
The fact the relationship is lesbian is treated as a minor detail, otherwise, it's the “powerful lawyer cheats on spouse with secretary and things get ugly” storyline we've seen a million times before. It would have worked equally well with Hogarth being male and the relationship heterosexual. The cheating isn't because of the homosexuality. It's a subtle thing, but basically it's treating female characters the way male characters have long been treated.
Instead it's been almost entirely about the sex and other mature elements of a show that is tagged TV MA and is based on a Marvel Max title. Luckily it seems like the anti-sex crowd bailed on the show early and missed out on some of the disturbing violence/situations in later episodes.
I think it's pretty clear at this point that Marvel's Netflix offerings are a LOT more gritty and “adult” than the movie offerings. Which is fine. I enjoy me a good adult/mature story from time to time and as long as people know that going in, it's all good.
Some people get confused because they've long regarded comic books as the over-the-top costumed hero fantasy. That's never been true. “DC” comes from “Detective Comics” and that's originally what they were – illustrated stories of private eyes, police procedurals, and mysteries. Marvel long had a line of romance books. There were illustrated classics and histories. The superhero stuff wound up selling better, even if many disapproved, and got the limelight, that's all. Things like
Daredevil and
Jessica Jones are somewhat a return to those genres, with a dash of superpowers thrown in. Even so, what you get in
Jones is pretty low-key powers and they're secondary to the story itself, which is how it should be and one reason the story telling is so good.
I do wonder a bit about the fortress like house. Other than a few mentions of stalkers and the abuse from her mother I'm not quite sure it comes across why she needs so much security.
I'd say creepy stalkers alone could make a person want that much security when living alone in New York City, it's just that, unlike most of us who have been single women living on our own in a big, potentially dangerous city Trish has the money to build a personal fortress. Me, I had to rely on a piece of pipe barring the door and gluing razor blades to the sill to keep Bad Guys from jumping up and climbing into the window.
I like the fact that, even through Trish has clearly had professional-level self-defense training and got a few nasty hits in they showed that against a trained man she was going to lose in the end. Against a typical mugger, sure, she has a chance but not against Simpson. That's just the reality of being a woman – all other things being equal you're not going to win against a man in a physical fight.
I mean, yeah, I like the fantasy of kicking ass, that's part of the appeal of a character like Jones, but it's not how it plays out in reality.
streetad wrote:Kilgrave doesn't seem like the 'take over the world, massive evil plan' type. He's more of a mundane, everyday sort of villainous sociopath who just happens to have an incredibly dangerous superpower.
Kilgrave isn't ambitious. That's really the heart of it. He's got an immensely powerful tool but basically he just wants nice clothes, a place to live in comfort, good food, and lots of sex (at least in the TV portrayal, he's a bit different in the comics but still not very ambitious). He's a slacker, sort of like a really intelligent, talented kid who just wants to play video games all day instead of running a corporation.
If it wasn't for the fact he leaves dead and broken people in his wake the most cost-effective response would be to ignore him. He causes damage because he's thoughtless, not because he actively wants to cause harm. Unfortunately, he's like a six year old running around with a loaded gun - his intentions don't matter much because the damage he's doing can't be allowed to continue.