Hulkbuster Iron Man vs Greater Daemon of Khorne
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Hulkbuster Iron Man vs Greater Daemon of Khorne
As in the Age of Ultron movie, except instead of taking on an enraged/mind-controlled Hulk in the middle of a busy nondescript African city it's a Greater Daemon of Khrone who has found a way out of the Warp and into our realm because reasons. Tony obviously must destroy the daemon before it levels the city, while the daemon is out on an errand to get more SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE!
'Ai! ai!' wailed Legolas. 'A Balrog! A Balrog is come!'
Gimli stared with wide eyes. 'Durin's Bane!' he cried, and letting his axe fall he covered his face.
'A Balrog,' muttered Gandalf. 'Now I understand.' He faltered and leaned heavily on his staff. 'What an evil fortune! And I am already weary.'
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Gimli stared with wide eyes. 'Durin's Bane!' he cried, and letting his axe fall he covered his face.
'A Balrog,' muttered Gandalf. 'Now I understand.' He faltered and leaned heavily on his staff. 'What an evil fortune! And I am already weary.'
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It's hard to say how durable the Hulkbuster really is, but that's the qualifier. If the thirster can damage it then Stark will quickly find out that it is, unlike Hulk, a supremely skilled fighter that won't just take a beating.
That said, there's all sorts of variances in demons and we don't really know how tough the HB is. 'Able to be damaged by Hulk' encompasses an awful lot.
That said, there's all sorts of variances in demons and we don't really know how tough the HB is. 'Able to be damaged by Hulk' encompasses an awful lot.
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Well the demon (depending on it's preference) will rather than just rampage through the city, specifically try to massacre as many civilians as possible (although a few of them do have a honour thing where they'd prefer to kill the worthy opponent first).
Also if Tony has the satellite with the spare parts / upgrades to fix the armour mid battle or not, although I wouldn't expect it to last long once the demon figures out what it does.
Also if Tony has the satellite with the spare parts / upgrades to fix the armour mid battle or not, although I wouldn't expect it to last long once the demon figures out what it does.
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Additionally, Bloodthirsters have not demonstrated that they are anywhere near as resilient as the Hulk.
Even ignoring game mechanics (where a single cannon ball can take them off), they are routinely defeated by medieval-technology armies.
For example, Prince Tyrion has defeated multiple Bloodthirsters in the fluff. He rides a horse into battle. He has a flaming sword that couldn't be longer than Hulkbuster's forearm. I think even repulsor blasts would defeat the Bloodthirster, let alone the superior might and durability of the Hulkbuster suit.
Even ignoring game mechanics (where a single cannon ball can take them off), they are routinely defeated by medieval-technology armies.
For example, Prince Tyrion has defeated multiple Bloodthirsters in the fluff. He rides a horse into battle. He has a flaming sword that couldn't be longer than Hulkbuster's forearm. I think even repulsor blasts would defeat the Bloodthirster, let alone the superior might and durability of the Hulkbuster suit.
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Which raises the obvious question: Is Balrog asking about a Warhammer Fantasy or a Warhammer 40k Bloodthirster ?GuppyShark wrote:For example, Prince Tyrion has defeated multiple Bloodthirsters in the fluff. He rides a horse into battle. He has a flaming sword that couldn't be longer than Hulkbuster's forearm. I think even repulsor blasts would defeat the Bloodthirster, let alone the superior might and durability of the Hulkbuster suit.
Because my understanding is that they are separate universes. So we can't use things that happen in one to make conclusions about the other.
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This is why we need to differentiate between the type of Bloodthirster. 40k Bloodthirsters are considerably tougher than their WHFB counterparts, able to sustain multiple lascannon hits. They are flat out immune to bolter fire. They are a whole other beast that can tear dreadnoughts limb from limb and shrug off battle cannon hits.GuppyShark wrote:Even ignoring game mechanics (where a single cannon ball can take them off), they are routinely defeated by medieval-technology armies.
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1) It's pretty clear they're the same universe. There's a fricking Grey Knight in the Warhammer fluff.
2) Game mechanics are not considered canon here.
2) Game mechanics are not considered canon here.
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You do remember it was a bloodthirster that nearly beat Sanguinius? That fought against Lorgar? These are creatures who can go toe to toe with primarchs.
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I do remember Sanguinius breaking a Bloodthirster's spine on his knee to prove a point as the Ultimate Gate Shut. I don't know who Lorgar is. Maybe primarchs are not a league above Avengers?
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Lorgar was Primarch of the Word Bearers and the one responsible for Horus falling to chaos, the bastard.
As for Primarchs being a similar level to Avengers, any Primarch will beat any Avenger apart from Hulk and Thor. And the stronger Primarchs? I'd still bet on them beating Thor.
As for Primarchs being a similar level to Avengers, any Primarch will beat any Avenger apart from Hulk and Thor. And the stronger Primarchs? I'd still bet on them beating Thor.
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Primarchs have literally torn 40k tanks apart with their bare hands in the fluff. If this were a fight between a primarch and the Hulkbuster I would think it was decidedly in the primarchs favour.
There's just no way 40k bloodthirsters can be as squishy as their FB counterparts. The universe they inhabit and the weapons they face necessitate them being more durable to be considered threats. A normal space marine wouldn't die to an old world cannonball yet I assure you a bloodthirster is considerably more durable than that.
There's just no way 40k bloodthirsters can be as squishy as their FB counterparts. The universe they inhabit and the weapons they face necessitate them being more durable to be considered threats. A normal space marine wouldn't die to an old world cannonball yet I assure you a bloodthirster is considerably more durable than that.
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actually the Horus heresy book might partially explain the difference, there is seemed that melee weapons and fire were more effective against daemons then firearms due to the cermonial importance of those things.
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In which case it may be possible for Tony to grapple the thing. It's got some more surfaces he can grab-- horns, wings, tail, fancy armour.
Can his Iron Man suit withstand a magical axe/sword/whip, though?
Can his Iron Man suit withstand a magical axe/sword/whip, though?
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Iron Man's armor is not like Supermans skin. It has no special weakness to magic. So it would stand up as well as any other object of equal hardness. The Hulkbuster suit was able to handle several punches from an enraged Hulk.Elheru Aran wrote:In which case it may be possible for Tony to grapple the thing. It's got some more surfaces he can grab-- horns, wings, tail, fancy armour.
Can his Iron Man suit withstand a magical axe/sword/whip, though?
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that said the weapons of daemon are not physical matter but like the daemon itself are "magic"(read:warp energy) given form and thus depending on the local ambient warp presence a Bloodthirster could cleave thru the Hulkbuster like it was made of paper or not even scratch the paint on the suit. the strength and durability of a daemon isn't something that's easily pinned down as it quite literally doesn't follow the laws of physicsReplicant wrote:Iron Man's armor is not like Supermans skin. It has no special weakness to magic. So it would stand up as well as any other object of equal hardness. The Hulkbuster suit was able to handle several punches from an enraged Hulk.Elheru Aran wrote:In which case it may be possible for Tony to grapple the thing. It's got some more surfaces he can grab-- horns, wings, tail, fancy armour.
Can his Iron Man suit withstand a magical axe/sword/whip, though?
Though Iron Man's status as a "hero" might give him an edge, also if he makes a challenge a greater daemon of Khorne can't just ignore him, as one thing is always consistent about Khorne and it's that he hates cowards with intensity that makes even the strongest hate of mortals pales in comparisson and a warrior that ignores a challenge is a coward in the eyes of the Blood god.
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Then again, given Tony's previous hedonism, the Bloodthirster might see him as a Champion of Slaanesh and fight all the harder to kill him. More to the point, it's possible that Khorne might see Tony that way and help the Bloodthirster win.
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Which means our hypothetical daemon has the damage output of an angry kitten then, as there's no background warp radiation to power him up in the Marvel Cinematic Universe. But that's as lame as "The Jedi lose because there's no Force in this universe."Lord Revan wrote:that said the weapons of daemon are not physical matter but like the daemon itself are "magic"(read:warp energy) given form and thus depending on the local ambient warp presence a Bloodthirster could cleave thru the Hulkbuster like it was made of paper or not even scratch the paint on the suit. the strength and durability of a daemon isn't something that's easily pinned down as it quite literally doesn't follow the laws of physics
It does explain the vast gulf of difference between the tank-shredding daemons and the ones getting brought down by medieval armies though. The Warhammer World had a magical vortex getting rid of all that warp energy.
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Yeah meant to specify it's a 40K Bloodthirster, with all the strengths and weaknesses you would expect of a "generic" daemon (or as generic as you can get with a denizen of the Warp).
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Gimli stared with wide eyes. 'Durin's Bane!' he cried, and letting his axe fall he covered his face.
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Agreed. Then again, in a fight between a bloodthirster and a primarch the primarch pretty much invariably wins. Sometimes easily, sometimes not so easily... there is reason to think that not all bloodthirsters are created equal, and that some daemons of the same basic 'type' are inherently older and stronger and bigger than the 'rank and file' of that 'type.'Kojiro wrote:Primarchs have literally torn 40k tanks apart with their bare hands in the fluff. If this were a fight between a primarch and the Hulkbuster I would think it was decidedly in the primarchs favour.
That's in his armor, I assume?There's just no way 40k bloodthirsters can be as squishy as their FB counterparts. The universe they inhabit and the weapons they face necessitate them being more durable to be considered threats. A normal space marine wouldn't die to an old world cannonball...
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I'm unfamiliar with 40k in general and 30k moreso - my last read of a Warhammer 40,000 army book was in 2nd Edition.
Does anyone have examples of a bloodthirster demonstrating strength or endurance that is objectively greater than that of the Hulk & Hulkbuster? So far the evidence is all relative (Bloodthirster vs Primarch, Hulk vs Hulkbuster). Without a common yardstick, it's an unresolvable comparison.
Does anyone have examples of a bloodthirster demonstrating strength or endurance that is objectively greater than that of the Hulk & Hulkbuster? So far the evidence is all relative (Bloodthirster vs Primarch, Hulk vs Hulkbuster). Without a common yardstick, it's an unresolvable comparison.
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Well, they can supposedly cleave a MBT in half with a single blow from their axe. That would be hulkish strength no?
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Honestly, yes. You'd have to hand the movieverse Hulk a really good axe to chop a tank in half, I think. That, or get him really mad.
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Bloodthirsters have some fun stuff attested to them, but in general most of the fluff is just 'these guys are awesome killmachines'.
That said, they have size and possibly strength on the Hulkbuster, and if they have a decent connection to the Warp, it'll be very hard for Tony to hurt it without sanctified weaponry.
Perhaps if he flies it into a church and dunks it into the baptistry...
That said, they have size and possibly strength on the Hulkbuster, and if they have a decent connection to the Warp, it'll be very hard for Tony to hurt it without sanctified weaponry.
Perhaps if he flies it into a church and dunks it into the baptistry...
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He's give it a minor burn, most churches wouldn't have enough holy water to do more but annoy it.
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Isn't the Ganges holy in Hinduism? Yes, quite a trip if they start out in New York, but a hell of a lot of holy water
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