Cyborg in Man of Steel 2?

[Grumman]

...wonderwoman was even a TV pilot flop.

But not because of Wonder Woman. The pilot was horrible because either it reflected the creators' abhorrent beliefs, or it was created so ineptly that it appeared to do so. Everything that sucked about the pilot was created for the pilot, and not taken from the original character.

[Kane Starkiller]

Why the marvel formula seems to be succseful is that it estabilshes continuity points from the end of each movie (eg: nick Fury showing up) and then tieing all those events over time, which brought up 'The Avengers' and was a huge succses. It's clearly a better approch then one film, two years later sequal with no tie inbetween.

Man of steel owes it's succses to the Nolan hype, but because Marvel can make movies of other characters instead of it's A list, showing it can expand on it's universe and not rely on sequaling certain characters to death.

DC/WB challenge is that they know Batman and Superman is the only reason they have a film franchise because nobody cares for green lantern as a movie, and wonderwoman was even a TV pilot flop. So if there going to cash in they'll have them jump onto the batman vs superman bandwagon and try to promote them from that.

It should be pointed out that man of steel is ranked 10 behind the entire Iron man films, and the lead 'the avengers' has shows why their approach is merited.

http://boxofficemojo.com/genres/chart/?id=superhero.htm

That ranking is based on domestic earnings not worldwide. In worldwide earnings Man of Steel is actually above both Iron Man and Iron Man 2.
What evidence do you have that its success is due to Nolan hype?

But the entire reason I even brought up box office results was to point out that there is no reason for WB to be "desperate". They are making plenty of money. Green Lantern was a failure as was Incredible Hulk but life goes on.
The point is that after 6 Superman movies and 7 Batman movies finally making Superman and Batman crossover is not "rushing it". It's about time.

If Marvel and Disney can get away with earning $600 million with lackluster movies like Iron Man 2 and Thor the Dark World then more power to them. But I don't consider Iron Man 2 necessary to establish Avengers and my enjoyment of Avengers would not in any way be diminished if there never was an Iron Man 2.

[Korgeta]

Why the marvel formula seems to be succseful is that it estabilshes continuity points from the end of each movie (eg: nick Fury showing up) and then tieing all those events over time, which brought up 'The Avengers' and was a huge succses. It's clearly a better approch then one film, two years later sequal with no tie inbetween.

Man of steel owes it's succses to the Nolan hype, but because Marvel can make movies of other characters instead of it's A list, showing it can expand on it's universe and not rely on sequaling certain characters to death.

DC/WB challenge is that they know Batman and Superman is the only reason they have a film franchise because nobody cares for green lantern as a movie, and wonderwoman was even a TV pilot flop. So if there going to cash in they'll have them jump onto the batman vs superman bandwagon and try to promote them from that.

It should be pointed out that man of steel is ranked 10 behind the entire Iron man films, and the lead 'the avengers' has shows why their approach is merited.

http://boxofficemojo.com/genres/chart/?id=superhero.htm

That ranking is based on domestic earnings not worldwide. In worldwide earnings Man of Steel is actually above both Iron Man and Iron Man 2.
What evidence do you have that its success is due to Nolan hype?

But the entire reason I even brought up box office results was to point out that there is no reason for WB to be "desperate". They are making plenty of money. Green Lantern was a failure as was Incredible Hulk but life goes on.
The point is that after 6 Superman movies and 7 Batman movies finally making Superman and Batman crossover is not "rushing it". It's about time.

If Marvel and Disney can get away with earning $600 million with lackluster movies like Iron Man 2 and Thor the Dark World then more power to them. But I don't consider Iron Man 2 necessary to establish Avengers and my enjoyment of Avengers would not in any way be diminished if there never was an Iron Man 2.

To be honest I thought the man of Steel owes it's success to Nolan would had been self explanatory, A director's name is just as important to the film's grossing at the box office and merchandising as is the actor who plays the hero. Nolan successfully rebranded and rebooted batman after the 'Batman and Robin' and made it into a highly profitable movie trilogy, so much Goyer wanted to work with him in setting Superman in a similar realistic level, Superman Returns was a box office disappointment, you need someone established with being good at that source material to give a franchise like superman a new leash of life and new audience to attract. There is a reason as to why Nolan has big budget movies to direct, because his name is marketable and people will see something if it's made by someone their familiar with, which is why these trailers have quotes such as 'From the makers of such a film' because it's a reminder to the audience that the guy who made that really big blockbuster last year is involved with another one, so get ready to see it!

The difference with the Hulk and Green lantern is that the Hulk was given another shot, and they could do it because of the 'Avengers' project that was beginning to build up (and the Hulk is a better merchandise character then green Lantern anyway) in comparison Green lantern had nothing to show it for, the sales show a sequel wasn't worth it and there wasn't going to be a film that expanded on it's universe either. In comparison one could argue that all of marvel's films have a safety net that is the Avengers sequel. So you could have Ant-Man and it may not make $600 million in the first weekend or whatever but it won't be a guaranteed disaster either because all these films have a connection in expanding the Marvel universe, as well as leaving tasters of what is to come (Would Thor 2 and Iron man 3 been as much as box office success if there was no Avengers sequel?)

In the end it is all about cashing in and 'superheros' on the big screen is about as big as it gets right now, having a batman and Superman crossover is a good idea because it makes box office success and there is an audience for it but will DC start making separate wonderwoman movies and reboot green lantern? Sure they will if BvS is a success, why not? If before you had two characters that could generate 100+ million in the first weekend of box office and that film made two more characters that could produce that much money then your going to make films for those characters.

[SilverDragonRed]

Nolan was the producer for Man of Steel (and credited for story). He didn't have any creative input in the movie. Those who did were David S. Goyer (screenwriter) and the actual director, Zach Synder.