THE OotS Thread, Part IV.

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Re: THE OotS Thread, Part IV.

Post by Raesene » 2017-09-25 04:42pm

1100 is up.

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Re: THE OotS Thread, Part IV.

Post by Rogue 9 » 2017-10-04 04:08pm

1101 is up.

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Re: THE OotS Thread, Part IV.

Post by Crazedwraith » 2017-10-04 04:33pm

Nitpick: Dwarfvision used to act like flashlight eyes visible to everyone.
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Re: THE OotS Thread, Part IV.

Post by LadyTevar » 2017-10-04 07:16pm

oh. oh hell.
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Re: THE OotS Thread, Part IV.

Post by Solauren » 2017-10-04 08:12pm

Well, if they are all low level vampires, the low level cleric might be able to turn them.

But I doubt it.

Hopefully, V has a lot of area of effect attack spells ready.
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Re: THE OotS Thread, Part IV.

Post by Rogue 9 » 2017-10-04 08:42pm

They'll all be basic, Monster Manual vampires. An inconvenience for the party at this level.
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Re: THE OotS Thread, Part IV.

Post by Solauren » 2017-10-04 08:47pm

Dude, I think it's Third edition. Vampire is a template.

Unless you mean Vampire Spawn
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Re: THE OotS Thread, Part IV.

Post by Rogue 9 » 2017-10-04 11:39pm

I do. The vampire template can only be applied to creatures with at least five hit dice, and that's not going to be most random dwarves.
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Re: THE OotS Thread, Part IV.

Post by Crazedwraith » 2017-10-05 03:27am

Presumably at some point the lack of that sunlight protection spell will bite the vampires in the arse.
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Re: THE OotS Thread, Part IV.

Post by LaCroix » 2017-10-05 05:17am

Kitty's face sums it up, perfectly.
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Re: THE OotS Thread, Part IV.

Post by Jub » 2017-10-05 05:36am

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I do. The vampire template can only be applied to creatures with at least five hit dice, and that's not going to be most random dwarves.
Technically those could be spawn, it's not like the current party would have the knowledge to tell the difference between true vamps and spawn at a glance. Ironically, Durkon might have had this knowledge and been useful here.

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Re: THE OotS Thread, Part IV.

Post by Crazedwraith » 2017-10-17 02:31pm

1102 up Oops.

More info for those who know their monster types.
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Re: THE OotS Thread, Part IV.

Post by LadyTevar » 2017-10-17 06:37pm

Is it me, or did the priest's hammer do nothing but annoy the vampire spawn?
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Re: THE OotS Thread, Part IV.

Post by Jub » 2017-10-17 08:55pm

Even the spawn have DR so the priest probably didn't have the damage or enchantment needed to overcome it.

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Re: THE OotS Thread, Part IV.

Post by Terralthra » 2017-10-17 11:40pm

I would've thought the vampire spawn's attack would apply a negative level to Vaarsuvius, so it'd cost them a spell slot rather than just reducing max HP.

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Re: THE OotS Thread, Part IV.

Post by Ralin » 2017-10-18 12:20am

Am I missing something or is there no especial reason why the cleric can't just stand there making turning attempts from behind the Forcecage until she gets lucky and rolls a 20 or two?

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Re: THE OotS Thread, Part IV.

Post by Rogue 9 » 2017-10-18 12:58am

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Am I missing something or is there no especial reason why the cleric can't just stand there making turning attempts from behind the Forcecage until she gets lucky and rolls a 20 or two?
Turning doesn't involve a d20 roll, but that aside, she's a dwarf, so probably has bad Charisma, so can probably only turn undead two or three times a day.
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Re: THE OotS Thread, Part IV.

Post by Terralthra » 2017-10-18 12:27pm

Turning in 3.5E does have a d20 roll to see how powerful (in hit dice vs. cleric's level) the turned undead may be, but a 20 isn't "automatic success", in the sense you're thinking, Ralin. The problem is that the table ranges from cleric's level - 4 HD (at a roll of 0 or lower) to cleric's level + 4 HD (roll of 22 or higher). The cleric isn't high-level, so even with a nice 20, with a stereotypically mediocre charisma modifier (she's a dwarf), she's still only going to turn 6 or 7 HD of vampire spawn. They have 4 HD each. Not a winning strategy when surrounded by at least 14 vampire spawn.

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Re: THE OotS Thread, Part IV.

Post by LaCroix » 2017-10-18 01:53pm

Let them kill one of the others for levels, turn more vampires and then revive the fallen? :D
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Re: THE OotS Thread, Part IV.

Post by Ralin » 2017-10-20 08:19pm

Driving off one or two can't hurt.

But yeah, never actually used Turn Undead or had a player use it in 3.5, so I don't know the mechanics off the top of my head.

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Re: THE OotS Thread, Part IV.

Post by Venator » 2017-10-20 10:32pm

Interesting note, this Forcecage looks to be ~20ft square. The spell rules for 3.0 and 3.5 allow a 20ft cube of half-inch spaced bars, or a 10ft solid one, so it seems like OOTS-verse uses a slightly different version of the spell. Otherwise picking the spawn off through the barrier would be fairly trivial.

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Re: THE OotS Thread, Part IV.

Post by Rogue 9 » 2017-10-20 10:55pm

Venator wrote:
2017-10-20 10:32pm
Interesting note, this Forcecage looks to be ~20ft square. The spell rules for 3.0 and 3.5 allow a 20ft cube of half-inch spaced bars, or a 10ft solid one, so it seems like OOTS-verse uses a slightly different version of the spell. Otherwise picking the spawn off through the barrier would be fairly trivial.
They would turn to mist and go through the bars, and then they'd have the exact same problem.
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Re: THE OotS Thread, Part IV.

Post by LadyTevar » 2017-10-21 12:07am

Venator wrote:
2017-10-20 10:32pm
Interesting note, this Forcecage looks to be ~20ft square. The spell rules for 3.0 and 3.5 allow a 20ft cube of half-inch spaced bars, or a 10ft solid one, so it seems like OOTS-verse uses a slightly different version of the spell. Otherwise picking the spawn off through the barrier would be fairly trivial.
V and others have used Force Cage before in the strip, and it's been different for each situation, IE: during V's Temptation To Darkness, the Black Dragon trapped V in a small, one-person 'cage'. So, So I'm guessing Force Cage falls to "will of caster" in Stick-Verse.
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Re: THE OotS Thread, Part IV.

Post by Venator » 2017-10-21 06:26pm

Rogue 9 wrote:
2017-10-20 10:55pm
Venator wrote:
2017-10-20 10:32pm
Interesting note, this Forcecage looks to be ~20ft square. The spell rules for 3.0 and 3.5 allow a 20ft cube of half-inch spaced bars, or a 10ft solid one, so it seems like OOTS-verse uses a slightly different version of the spell. Otherwise picking the spawn off through the barrier would be fairly trivial.
They would turn to mist and go through the bars, and then they'd have the exact same problem.
Can Spawn do that? I was under the impression from #1085 that not even all the full-blown Vampires could do that, or at least only one had tried.
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2017-10-20 10:32pm
Interesting note, this Forcecage looks to be ~20ft square. The spell rules for 3.0 and 3.5 allow a 20ft cube of half-inch spaced bars, or a 10ft solid one, so it seems like OOTS-verse uses a slightly different version of the spell. Otherwise picking the spawn off through the barrier would be fairly trivial.
V and others have used Force Cage before in the strip, and it's been different for each situation, IE: during V's Temptation To Darkness, the Black Dragon trapped V in a small, one-person 'cage'. So, So I'm guessing Force Cage falls to "will of caster" in Stick-Verse.
Good point. My only memory of the black dragon instance was something spherical, maybe, or something.

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Re: THE OotS Thread, Part IV.

Post by Terralthra » 2017-10-21 07:07pm

Venator wrote:
2017-10-21 06:26pm
Rogue 9 wrote:
2017-10-20 10:55pm
Venator wrote:
2017-10-20 10:32pm
Interesting note, this Forcecage looks to be ~20ft square. The spell rules for 3.0 and 3.5 allow a 20ft cube of half-inch spaced bars, or a 10ft solid one, so it seems like OOTS-verse uses a slightly different version of the spell. Otherwise picking the spawn off through the barrier would be fairly trivial.
They would turn to mist and go through the bars, and then they'd have the exact same problem.
Can Spawn do that? I was under the impression from #1085 that not even all the full-blown Vampires could do that, or at least only one had tried.
Vampire spawn can take gaseous form as a standard action, at will, and moving with perfect maneuverability. They can also use domination as a standard action (probably no good against the PCs' will saves, but possibly bad for the dwarf NPCs), and have fast-healing (+2hp per round, automatically assumes gaseous form on 0 hp). All assuming standard 3.5E. These may not be that, as the vampire spawn that made it in is clearly reduced to 0 hp, but does not assume gaseous form. However, vampires have the same ability (automatic), so maybe it was bypassed by Roy's special attack. Ordinarily, vampires/vampire spawn can only be destroyed by sunlight, stake, running water, or esoteric ritualistic stuff.

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