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Desperate, but the thing is, she giggles "how it always worked fine before". On who exactly did she used it? Also, it's not the only time she casually did mind wipe, you have that terrible fanfic episode with Discord where Twilight just insists whole time to brainwash him, and Bats, where her insistence to magic the fruit bats into starving nearly 'kills' her friend.Ralin wrote:Twilight's screw ups were never like that. The whole Want-It, Need-It spell thing was because she felt completely desperate (due to admittedly skewed priorities), not out of ego or malice.
Letter, yes. Was it very different to Sunset just asking again next day? I don't think. Sunset had ego, yes, but Twilight has her detachedness and utter lack of social restraints. The only difference seems to be that Twilight had slavish deference to Celestia.Besides, I don't think she actually disobeyed Celestia's orders in the pilot? She said she would do her royal duty and followed the letter of the orders, and then Nightmare Moon showed up and it became what most people would call "an emergency."
Got out on her own in end of S3, yes. In 'Want It Need It' case she nearly ruined everything for everyone and acted like villain of the week, prompting most powerful pony in the kingdom to throw everything and run to stop her. In many other cases, Twilight was only saved by convenient spell of the week which for some reason always was in small village library.Twilight got out on her own, and maybe celestia learned from her mistakes.
Twilight was never as rude or egotistical as sunset. When sunset was offered to hang out she rudely insults them. Twilight tries to be polite about it. With Discord it was largely because well....it's discord. They had to reform him and twilight had understandable doubts. Fortunately Fluttershy made it unnecessary. Also Twilight is horrified after she realizes what she did to her friends.Irbis wrote:Desperate, but the thing is, she giggles "how it always worked fine before". On who exactly did she used it? Also, it's not the only time she casually did mind wipe, you have that terrible fanfic episode with Discord where Twilight just insists whole time to brainwash him, and Bats, where her insistence to magic the fruit bats into starving nearly 'kills' her friend.Ralin wrote:Twilight's screw ups were never like that. The whole Want-It, Need-It spell thing was because she felt completely desperate (due to admittedly skewed priorities), not out of ego or malice.
I don't know, Twilight is just very callous in usage of what most magic systems deem most terrible and forbidden kind of spells, never showing restraint or second thoughts.
Letter, yes. Was it very different to Sunset just asking again next day? I don't think. Sunset had ego, yes, but Twilight has her detachedness and utter lack of social restraints. The only difference seems to be that Twilight had slavish deference to Celestia.Besides, I don't think she actually disobeyed Celestia's orders in the pilot? She said she would do her royal duty and followed the letter of the orders, and then Nightmare Moon showed up and it became what most people would call "an emergency."
Something that Celestia apparently liked so much it never occurred to her to tell Twilight to take a break if she needs it. Instead, Twilight was all but conditioned to do anything to please her, like mind wiping whole village, just to produce a letter on time limit that was never explicitly set.
Got out on her own in end of S3, yes. In 'Want It Need It' case she nearly ruined everything for everyone and acted like villain of the week, prompting most powerful pony in the kingdom to throw everything and run to stop her. In many other cases, Twilight was only saved by convenient spell of the week which for some reason always was in small village library.Twilight got out on her own, and maybe celestia learned from her mistakes.
Maybe I just say it because I prefer S1 snarky Twilight to S2-4 butt monkey writers made her, but I really don't like most of the ways of solving plots involving her. For someone personally tutored by Celestia (if we treat the comics that have huge school of 'personally students' ponies as non canon...) she just seems to be forcibly dragged down to level of other protagonists.
"The Want-It, Need-It spell. Works every time!"When did she giggle about how it worked fine before?
How much rudeness was fault of Sunset, and how much her teacher? Because to me the comic made Celestia do rather poor job of her overall upbringing. Seeing Sunset in EG2, it honestly starts to look she just isn't egotistical by nature and old Sunset might be even majority Celestia's fault.Darth Yan wrote:Twilight was never as rude or egotistical as sunset.
Doubts might be understandable, but defaulting to brainwashing looks more like villain, not hero thing. Plus, had it even small chance of working, I am sure Celestia would have done it first - unless, of course, it would have been wrong thing to do.With Discord it was largely because well....it's discord. They had to reform him and twilight had understandable doubts.
I am skeptical of the idea that magical brainwashing is worse than spending over a thousand years as a fully conscious statue. And Twilight had an extra thousand years worth of magical knowledge and research to draw on that Celestia hadn't the first time around. And really, it stands to reason that the magic nerd is going to make it a point to research a way to use magic to stop Discord if he ever gets free againDoubts might be understandable, but defaulting to brainwashing looks more like villain, not hero thing. Plus, had it even small chance of working, I am sure Celestia would have done it first - unless, of course, it would have been wrong thing to do.
Dude, "Everypony in this town is CRAZY!" is a pretty accurate description of Ponyville.(though her initial S1 behaviour "everyone else here is insane" was skirting it)
Yes, and that's why it ever had been realistic option, Celestia would have tried it. For example when he first broke free in S2. If neither of 3 Princesses, one of which has exceptional talent in manipulating people, managed to do anything about him, then maybe Twilight was just wrong in trying to do so (and she didn't even try to do research, but went usual "look for convenient spell" route). Especially seeing she is still amateur (not close to "highest class unicorn") by her own words.Ralin wrote:I am skeptical of the idea that magical brainwashing is worse than spending over a thousand years as a fully conscious statue. And Twilight had an extra thousand years worth of magical knowledge and research to draw on that Celestia hadn't the first time around. And really, it stands to reason that the magic nerd is going to make it a point to research a way to use magic to stop Discord if he ever gets free again
Yes, but shouting it into their faces is rudeDude, "Everypony in this town is CRAZY!" is a pretty accurate description of Ponyville.
And Twilight fails to notice that she's in "this town", too.Dude, "Everypony in this town is CRAZY!" is a pretty accurate description of Ponyville.
She shouted it to Spike in the privacy of her own bedroom.Irbis wrote: Yes, but shouting it into their faces is rude
Where's that image macro of all the ponies' crazy faces in season one...And Twilight fails to notice that she's in "this town", too.
You mean the full party room?Ralin wrote:She shouted it to Spike in the privacy of her own bedroom.
Irbis wrote:You mean the full party room?Ralin wrote:She shouted it to Spike in the privacy of her own bedroom.
Oh, that. Well I said the line I thought you were referring to.Irbis wrote:Official video, start at 16:20?
Last I heard they said they were aiming at seven to nine seasonsLadyTevar wrote:There's a Season 5 coming?
