Captain America: The Winter Soldier Trailer

[Vendetta]

If I were able to provide input on the story direction, I'd have main plot of the movie be a SHIELD civil war (though, from what the trailers revealed, this may already effectively be the case).

Spoiler

As far as I've heard, that's basically the case. Robert Redford's character is the leader of the world council that Fury was arguing with throughout most of Avengers, I would very much suspect he's running Winter Soldier to try and remove Fury and bring SHIELD in line

Me, I'd have had him running HAMMER as a parallel organisation to replace SHIELD with.

[Steve]

If I were able to provide input on the story direction, I'd have main plot of the movie be a SHIELD civil war (though, from what the trailers revealed, this may already effectively be the case). It's already well established that Fury is at odds with a lot of very high-level people. And as authoritarian as Fury is, they seem to think his methods are not extreme enough. So, were it up to me, I'd have the bad guys be a research arm of SHIELD or the military who go rogue in a fashion similar to Hydra in the first movie. Maybe even have the organization founded by Hydra scientists recruited by the US government after the war (First Avenger didn't reveal what happened to Zola after the war, for instance). In this case, Winter Soldier would be their Anti-Captain. A symbol meant to terrorize instead of inspire, a killer instead of a protector, etc.

It'd fit with his general theme of a struggle between his idealistic view of what America should be versus the realities of what modern America is.

It would also be a nice touch if they had links to the conspiracy from Iron Man 3.

With Ultron as the foe in Avengers 2, reportedly, it wouldn't surprise me.

[JME2]

It would make sense given all of the Phase 2 films have to set up some element of the Avenger's reunion.

The big exception, however, is looking to be Guardians. I'm guessing that's the oddball out in favor of developing the long-term Thanos subplot.

[EnterpriseSovereign]

Just saw the trailer as part of the TDW Blu-ray that I just watched, really looking forward to it. Of course just being a month away it's not long to wait- it looks like they're going to blow up a helicarrier.

They're including Black Widow but not Hawkeye? Guess he wasn't interesting enough in the end Seems they're tying this film more closely to the events in The Avengers than IM3 and Thor 2.

[Crazedwraith]

Hawkeye got replaced with Falcon I believe. The rumour being because Jeremy Renner said some negative things about being in Avengers. (expressing disappointment Hawkeye was a villian for a good part of the film)

[Kojiro]

I find it annoying that Renner can't express annoyance at the situation. It's a fair complaint- which from what I could find was 'I signed on to play Hawkeye, not robotic arrow assassin' which he spends a good portion of the movie as. He did get paid several million dollars to do so, as well as being a part of the whole thing so complaining at all may seem somewhat petty.

If they get rid of him based on those comments- especially since he's also expressed a keen desire to keep playing Hawkeye and explore the character- they're just cutting off their nose to spite their face.

They're including Black Widow but not Hawkeye? Guess he wasn't interesting enough in the end Seems they're tying this film more closely to the events in The Avengers than IM3 and Thor 2.

Well Cap and Widow are both a part of SHIELD so any exploration of them will almost require SHIELD to be involved. I wouldn't be stunned to see a cameo by the Agents team in CA2 and I'm downright expecting it for A2:AoU. Stark and Thor don't really care for the SHIELD power structure.

I'm wondering how long Thor can wander about Earth with Jane until someone recognises him and SHIELD comes to have a chat.

[Tsyroc]

Just saw the trailer as part of the TDW Blu-ray that I just watched, really looking forward to it. Of course just being a month away it's not long to wait- it looks like they're going to blow up a helicarrier.

They're including Black Widow but not Hawkeye? Guess he wasn't interesting enough in the end Seems they're tying this film more closely to the events in The Avengers than IM3 and Thor 2.

In the special features there's a slightly longer bit about Cap 2 and it blabs a bit about the Winter Soldier and not just who he is, but how he came to be.

There's also some more background about Alexander Pierce (Robert Redford)

[Tsyroc]

Hawkeye got replaced with Falcon I believe. The rumour being because Jeremy Renner said some negative things about being in Avengers. (expressing disappointment Hawkeye was a villian for a good part of the film)

I think Joss Whedon acknowledged that he needed to find more for Hawkeye to do in the next movie. I'm not sure how they are going to do that if they are adding two new characters to the team. Although, those characters do set things up for what I think, in the comics, was the first team of Avengers to not have any of the original members on it. That being Cap, Hawkeye, Quicksilver and The Scarlet Witch.

It'll be interesting if they make Hawkeye shoot off his mouth a lot like he has done in quite a few Avengers comics. He also seems to have turned into a bit of a ladies man when he hasn't been married.

There were stretches in the comics where The Falcon was Cap's partner. He was also a SHEILD agent/tech guy in the Ultimate Universe. Plus he's been the new character added to Marvel's Avengers Assemble. The cartoon that is based on the movie, and not as good as the previous The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes.

[Simon_Jester]

The current Marvel Comics 'verse doesn't seem to be crossing over with the X-Men at all, so I would be surprised to see them invoke mutant characters like Quicksilver and the Scarlet Witch...

[Iroscato]

I doubt very much they'll be referred to as mutants in AOU, Fox still has the rights to the word as far as I know. They'll have the same names and powers, but their back stories will be completely redone, if they are even touched on.

[Ahriman238]

In point of fact, both have been cast for Age of Ultron.

[Grumman]

In point of fact, both have been cast for Age of Ultron.

Unfortunately.

[LadyTevar]

Ok, Quicksilver looks like ass

[Majin Gojira]

Hopefully, Marvel will look at the negative reaction to the design of that Quicksilver and do something different for theirs.

[Havok]

The cartoon that is based on the movie, and not as good as the previous The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes.

Not even fucking close.

[Havok]

Hopefully, Marvel will look at the negative reaction to the design of that Quicksilver and do something different for theirs.

If X-Men/Fox has him, then Avengers/Mar-Dis doesn't.
I'm assuming Ahriman mean they had been cast for Days of Future Past.

[Havok]

Also, and I mean duhhhh... Spoiler

Redford is totally going to be the Red Skull and Hugo Weaving.

[Grumman]

If X-Men/Fox has him, then Avengers/Mar-Dis doesn't.
I'm assuming Ahriman mean they had been cast for Days of Future Past.

No, they are going to be in both.

[JME2]

If X-Men/Fox has him, then Avengers/Mar-Dis doesn't.
I'm assuming Ahriman mean they had been cast for Days of Future Past.

No, they are going to be in both.

That almost seems like Fox being petty and giving the finger to Marvel over their success with the Cinematic universe.

[Havok]

Huh, maybe they have agreed to a universe crossover? Based on that article and what it cites I could certainly see that.

The fact that because they have been both X-Men and Avengers and therefore are fair game to both studios is an interesting tidbit. Wolverine and Beast have also both been Avengers, for quite some time. So has Spider-Man.

[Lord Relvenous]

Huh, maybe they have agreed to a universe crossover? Based on that article and what it cites I could certainly see that.

The fact that because they have been both X-Men and Avengers and therefore are fair game to both studios is an interesting tidbit. Wolverine and Beast have also both been Avengers, for quite some time. So has Spider-Man.

I'm pretty sure it comes down to the wording of the contracts. I would suspect that Quicksilver falls under a heading like "and other characters appearing in the Xmen lineup" while Wolverine and Spider-Man were specifically named with defined usage rights.

So I doubt we'll see Spider-Man or Wolverine in the MCU without the studio rights lapsing, as if they could use them I'm sure they already would have.

[The Cooler King]

Also, and I mean duhhhh... Spoiler

Redford is totally going to be the Red Skull and Hugo Weaving.

Yup. I'm assuming they're playing with Spoiler

Geoff Johns' Red Zone storyline, where Red Skull went by the imaginatively-changed name of 'Dell Rusk' and was the US Secretary of Defense. Taking him down set up the "Iron Secretary" storyline, where Stark ended up as Secretary of Defense for a good while.

As for the use of Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch in both Days of Future Past (ugh--hate that Quicksilver look) and in Avengers 2, from what I understand, it comes down to this: X-Men can't play up their link to the Avengers, while Avengers can't mention them either as mutants or as the children of Magneto. I figure Joss Whedon will figure some way around it, hinting at things without outright stating them.

[InsaneTD]

I won free tickets to go see this next week. Winning.

[2000AD]

Just got back from seeing, is there going to be a seperate thread for spoiler discussion or should we just go here with spoiler tags?

[Crazedwraith]

Here you go, I used the new thread button just for you