Game of Thrones Question (Books, Spoilers)

[Flagg]

So my mom has read the books and I've just read the synopsis on wiki. Anyway, my mom is under the impression that Spoiler

Sansa is the daughter of Catelyn and Baelish.

I haven't found any indication that this is the case from Wikipedia and was wondering if anyone who read the books can clue me in on this.

[Mr Bean]

So my mom has read the books and I've just read the synopsis on wiki. Anyway, my mom is under the impression that Spoiler

Sansa is the daughter of Catelyn and Baelish.

I haven't found any indication that this is the case from Wikipedia and was wondering if anyone who read the books can clue me in on this.

Okay two options
Spoiler A:Which is a simple answer and not spoilery much at all Spoiler

Sansa is Catelyn and Ned's second child. Catelyn moved north to Winterfell when she was already pregnant with Robb, Littlefinger never went to Winterfell so it's kind of hard for the 2nd child to be his.

Or
Spoiler B:Which is a slightly longer answer and spoiler for next Season Spoiler

Sansa is Ned's daughter but Littlefinger did have a child by another tullly namely Catelyn sister Lysa which was aborted by Lysa's father when he found out.

[Flagg]

Ok, this must have confused my mom, which isn't surprising since she read all five books in the span of 2 weeks.

[Mr Bean]

Ok, this must have confused my mom, which isn't surprising since she read all five books in the span of 2 weeks.

Just give her the chronology Spoiler

Cat, Lysa and Littlefinger grow up at Riverun together. Cat marries Ned and moves to Winterfell . Littlefinger moves to the Vale and the two don't see each other for close to twenty years.

[Ralin]

That, and Littlefinger spent a lot of time in the intervening years bragging to everyone in earshot that he had banged Catelyn.
Spoiler

It's possible that Littlefinger believes this himself. He was wounded, drugged and out of it when Lysa came to him

[Crazedwraith]

She's not referring to the fact that;
Spoiler

Sansa starts possing as, being mentally warped to be Bealish's bastard daughter (who he still wants to bang cos he' really creepy

is she?

[Flagg]

She's not referring to the fact that;
Spoiler

Sansa starts possing as, being mentally warped to be Bealish's bastard daughter (who he still wants to bang cos he' really creepy

is she?

I think that's part of it, yeah. I mean I can follow the convoluted plotting on the TV show just fine, but I guess it gets even more complicated as the books go on.

[Cykeisme]

I can't tell if Littlefinger wants Sansa to be his daughter, or if he wants to bang her. Either is twisted.

Or both. Even more twisted.

Spoiler

I mean, I figure if he wanted to bang her, I figure he would've done so sometime before, during or after their time in the Eyrie.. especially after Lysa went out the Moon Door.

[Spekio]

There is speculation that Robert Arryn (Robin on the TV Series) is Petyr's kid. He did mantain a relationship with Lisa Arryn (neé Tully) after she married.

I can't tell if Littlefinger wants Sansa to be his daughter, or if he wants to bang her. Either is twisted.

Or both. Even more twisted.

Spoiler

I mean, I figure if he wanted to bang her, I figure he would've done so sometime before, during or after their time in the Eyrie.. especially after Lysa went out the Moon Door.

It is both. Sansa resembles Cat, whom he loves, and also represent's the youthfull romantic Petyr's desire of having a family with Cat. Remeber that he became the ruthless Littlefinger we know after the Duel with Brandon Stark.

[Cykeisme]

Figures.
Spoiler

Any theories about what the possible developments will be for Jon Snow, if any?

Entirely possible he's just outright dead, in which case, I believe what he's accomplished is already pretty important.. namely bringing the wildlings over. I mean, Bowen Marsh can't be stupid enough to start a fight with the wildlings with the Others looming (not to mention on the same side of the Wall, and massive wildling numerical superiority).
This vastly improves the odds of men holding the Others back, given that we have no idea what the enchantments of the Wall can do, and what its limitations are.

Alternatively, Melissandre could revive him, much as Thoros of Myr was able to do (repeatedly )with Beric Dondarrion and later, Catelyn. This is the possibility I'm most comfortable with because I like Jon Snow's character, but probably the most boring.

Lastly, he could end up in a "Second Life" as Ghost.. but from what we know, the human identity and consciousness fades away fairly quickly, and I don't see what he can accomplish as a direwolf.

Also, not that it's a problem, but do we need to use spoiler tags in a thread with "spoilers" in the title? The stickies in Fantasy don't mention things either way (I admit I haven't checked out the other stickies yet). I'm erring on the side of caution, though.

[Ahriman238]

Erring on the side of caution is wise, generally including spoilers in the title and first post is considered sufficient.

[Almightyboredone]

On Lord Snow
Spoiler

My, and a few others, theory is that he'll end up going Black Hands (who we're guessing is Benjen) on us.

[Flagg]

On Lord Snow
Spoiler

My, and a few others, theory is that he'll end up going Black Hands (who we're guessing is Benjen) on us.

Can you elaborate on who that is?

[Terralthra]

Spoiler

I think he means Coldhands, the undead Night Watch ranger who guided Bran and Jojen through the wall. Fan consensus seems to indicate that the belief is that Coldhands is Benjen Stark, the Ranger whose disappearance in A Game of Thrones was a major reason for Mormont's leading the ranging beyond the wall.

[Almightyboredone]

What Terralthra said; though I didn't know it was a theory that was widely spread. I have two friends and one coworker who've read the books, but otherwise I'm not involved in any fangroups.

[Vympel]

I for one am not going to bother putting spoiler tags around things in a thread marked spoilers. Seems redundant.

Anyway, Jon clearly either isn't dead, or if he does die, wargs into Ghost and then comes back into his body, which will probably be preserved in the Wall until it can be somehow resurrected, almost certainly by Melisandre. Jon's pretty obviously Azor Ahai / the chosen of the Lord of Light, given Melisandre's visions of him (which she doesn't understand - she still thinks its Stannis) and the hints dropped about the Corn King. Further, it'd be pretty damn pointless for Jon to be dead, since the entire question of who his mother is (Lyanna Stark, equally obvious at this stage IMO, but yet to be confirmed) would be rendered moot.

[Crown]

Errr ... Isn't Danny Azor Ahai?

And the reason Melisandre is having visions of Jon is because he's Danny's half brother (or is it nephew) and he'll need to ride a dragon or something.

[Crazedwraith]

There's a lot of good evidence for Danny being Azor Azhai. Especially the legends about creating Dragons out of rock. Melisandre thinks this applies to dragonstone but instead probably applies to Danny hatching her stone dragon eggs.

Crown, if certain theories about jon's parentage are true it would make him Dany's nephew. Since she's the youngest child of Aerys II.

[streetad]

Well we have several possible candidates for AA; Jon and Dany, for sure, but Victarion Greyjoy also meets several of the required criteria of the prophecy. Rhaegar Targaryan thought that first he, then his son Aegon was AA. I think it's pretty obvious Stannis is not the genuine article.

How many prophecies have actually come to anything at this point in the books anyway? I can think of one that has actively been thwarted (the Stallion that Mounts the World). So maybe it was Rhaegar and Robert has inadvertently doomed the entire human race.

[Vaporous]

Errr ... Isn't Danny Azor Ahai?

The Dragon has three heads.

[Ralin]

How many prophecies have actually come to anything at this point in the books anyway? I can think of one that has actively been thwarted (the Stallion that Mounts the World). So maybe it was Rhaegar and Robert has inadvertently doomed the entire human race.

I think the implication is that the Stallion that Mounts the World is a corruption of the Azhor Azhai prophecy, and that Dany is the one it was really talking about.

[Dominus Atheos]

Don't forget the original name of the book series is A Song of Ice and Fire. Assuming Jon's heavily hinted parentage is true, he'd be the only one with a claim on both ice and fire.

Unrelated to the above is also the much less hinted theory that Tywin was right about Tyrion and his father is Aerys, making him the third head of the dragon, which I always liked.

[Ralin]

Unrelated to the above is also the much less hinted theory that Tywin was right about Tyrion and his father is Aerys, making him the third head of the dragon, which I always liked.

I prefer the theory that Jaime and Cersei are Aerys children. The evidence is tenuous as hell, but it would make so much sense. And it would heighten the tragedy if Tyrion was Tywin's only true heir.

Also I believe Martin has stated that the heads of the dragon don't have to be Targaryens.

[Pelranius]

Unrelated to the above is also the much less hinted theory that Tywin was right about Tyrion and his father is Aerys, making him the third head of the dragon, which I always liked.

I prefer the theory that Jaime and Cersei are Aerys children. The evidence is tenuous as hell, but it would make so much sense. And it would heighten the tragedy if Tyrion was Tywin's only true heir.

Also I believe Martin has stated that the heads of the dragon don't have to be Targaryens.

The timing seems to make more sense, and Cersei shares a lot more in common with Aerys than Tyrion.

[Thanas]

wait, what is the theory about Tyrion's parentage?

TBH, it would cheapen the drama if he wasn't Tywinn's kid. But I do believe he will be the third head of the dragon.