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Wing Commander MAD wrote:It seems odd that a rockfarmer’s daughter would know about what are basically magical locusts, yet a family that runs an orchard/farm, and have lived in the area the longest, seem to have no clue about them.
Which place looks like it gets hit often by them, a desolate rockfarm, or a fertile orchard ?

I'm thinking that Pinkie knew about them because they were a problem on her families rockfarm, while there is something that normally keeps them from making their way to the Apple family orchard/farm.
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Zixinus wrote:Well, if you want nightmare fuel and disturbing social implications: are there less males because less are just born or do something happen to them? :P
Or maybe there are enough males around for a monogamous society to have a reasonable birth rate, but we never see all of them in group shots because of [reasons]? There were certainly enough around Canterlot at the wedding when they called in the army. I have an idea for that in the back of my head, maybe I'll write a fic.
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Wild Zontargs wrote:
Zixinus wrote:Well, if you want nightmare fuel and disturbing social implications: are there less males because less are just born or do something happen to them? :P
Or maybe there are enough males around for a monogamous society to have a reasonable birth rate, but we never see all of them in group shots because of [reasons]? There were certainly enough around Canterlot at the wedding when they called in the army. I have an idea for that in the back of my head, maybe I'll write a fic.
Something which has been suggested a few times is that the gender number imbalance is something unusual to Ponyville alone, Canterlot and Appalusa (sp?) dont seem to have the same problem.

Canterlot may even have the reverse problem if you count all the guards, maybe thats it, the princesses are stealing all the Stallions for themselves :shock: .
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Or just many stallions go into becoming guards, leaving nearby populations with more mares?

I also thought of another explanation in Ponyville: since it is a farm society, most males are around the farm, plowing or doing other manly labor? While it is the mares that go around the town doing chores and whatnot?
I'm thinking that Pinkie knew about them because they were a problem on her families rockfarm, while there is something that normally keeps them from making their way to the Apple family orchard/farm.
Maybe it's not her parents but other relatives?
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Zixinus wrote:Well, if you want nightmare fuel and disturbing social implications: are there less males because less are just born or do something happen to them? :P
Ongoing war with Gryphonistan? With tanks, missiles, bombs, etc. stuff mentioned in series :wink:

Also, apparently fish are "vegetarian" now. Nah, it's just another proof ponies are omnivores after all :P
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Apparently, Equastria not only has computers, but magical hackers as well :P

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Today's episode was odd.

Well, first off, Trixie coming back was mostly as I knew her.

What I didn't get, is what was preventing Twilight to calling up some other pony than Celestia to deal with Trixie? Especially when she is obviously enslaving the Ponyville populace (she put the Mayor in a cage in the city square for crissake). I mean, could nobody think of calling up some police or even Luna if it came to that? During the time Twilight spent training with Zecora, she could probably get into Canterlot on just her four legs.

Plus, Zecora still seems a bit of an odd choice. She knows potions and a bunch of other things (although I think she did not know about the amulet), but certainly not unicorn magic (then again, that makes plenty of sense).

But most of all: there is this ridiculously powerful magical item and no one guards it? Not even in a cardboard box in Celestia's basement or something?

Oh, and Twilight is quick to forgive Trixie. Which is I guess part of the fact that the show is meant to be originally a kid's show (and still is), but does she at least not get a little punishment? Though, I think she ran away before anything like that could have happened.

Also, am I the only one that finds it ironic that while Twilight points out that Trixie cheated, Twilight gets back at her (well, gets the amulet off at any rate) by also cheating?

Trixie's apology was... a bit rushed for me, although it did sound heartfelt.

But highlights:

The scene of the little sisters and Fluttershy being prepared to be look-alikes is cute. I also like how clever the trick is to get the amulet off Trixie.

DOUBLE RAINBOW! (who else thought of that immediately?)

Am I the only one that thought that Twilight's little levitation performance was kind of... lame? I mean, okay, she can levitate multiple creatures at the same time, that's neat, but how is that unique enough to be considered to be good entertainment for foreign delegates (who else is betting that those will show up later btw?)?

And of course mouthless Pinkkie Pie and the fourth-wall mouse cursor. :P
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Zixinus wrote:Also, am I the only one that finds it ironic that while Twilight points out that Trixie cheated, Twilight gets back at her (well, gets the amulet off at any rate) by also cheating?
Due to the magical lock on the amulet, the only real way to get it off of her was to trick Trixie into removing it herself. I figure the part of saying "You cheated with that amulet." was sort of a first attempt at getting her to remove it, basically saying "Oh I know that you're not nearly Great and Powerful enough to beat me one-on-one so I'll just tell everyone that you need an amulet to cast powerful magic and nobody will respect you." Hoping that her magically corrupted overconfidence and ego wouldn't let that happen and she'd remove the amulet herself for a rematch.

When she didn't take the bait, they went with the stage magic plan to get it off. Really, I'd say it was more ironic that an amulet-boosted Trixie can beat Twilight, but Twilight can beat a professional showmare like Trixie at stage magic without any artifacts of doom on her side (unless you count Pinkie Pie).
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I found it ironic that they beat Trixie with Stage Magic.

Also, it was shown that Twilight's levitation of the animals was something very difficult, causing her to sweat from the exertion.
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Hi, Fluttershy, remember that character development you had, ever? No neither do I. Oh well.
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I like the confirmation that rock farming is a real thing and that it wasn't just Pinkie Pie being Pinkie Pie.

Also interesting that there's a known tier of unicorn magic beyond Twilight's ability to cast.
LadyTevar wrote:Also, it was shown that Twilight's levitation of the animals was something very difficult, causing her to sweat from the exertion.
I thought it was kind of unimpressive too. I'd have to go looking for examples, but I'm pretty sure we've seen Rarity levitating multiple things at once plenty of times.

Also dittoing that the apology at the end seemed a little weak and tacked on. I don't mind seeing Trixie portrayed as having some decent qualities, but there should have been some sort of build-up to it. She was absolved of responsibility way too quickly, and it just didn't feel right.
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Re: Trixie's punishment

Well if you want to get all speculative about it, Celestia was in Ponyville at the end of it, entirely possible she might have had some words with Trixie. But since it was the end of the episode and all they wouldn't show it, plus Trixie being forgiven is way more in line with the show's style than seeing Trixie chewed out and that's the end.

On that note, anyone else kinda hope that Twilight didn't save the day? Because we knew Celestia was visiting Ponyville, and I can't imagine she would be at all pleased to find "Trixieville" instead. Bonus points because it seems she showed up at night so bringing in Luna would have been a possibility. Two real alicorns vs the Alicorn Amulet, anypony? :mrgreen:

Well somebody will write a fanfic about it, I'm sure. :razz:

PS: The teaser with Pinkie and Twilight was a great and powerful hilarious way to end it.
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RogueIce wrote:Re: Trixie's punishment

Well if you want to get all speculative about it, Celestia was in Ponyville at the end of it, entirely possible she might have had some words with Trixie. But since it was the end of the episode and all they wouldn't show it, plus Trixie being forgiven is way more in line with the show's style than seeing Trixie chewed out and that's the end.
It isn't even that I wanted to see her punished so much as that it felt really forced. I would have preferred to see her come back in another episode where she finally learns her lesson.

Plus I don't like chalking her behavior entirely up to the amulet. It takes away her agency, same as with the whole theory that Luna was corrupted and mind-controlled by Nightmare Moon. Trixie was a dick to begin with. The amulet made it worse, but it was still in line with her character.

So yeah, her apologizing and being forgiven is be fine, but I think there should have been more of a sense of her taking responsibility for what she did.
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Figured someone here would appreciate this:

http://www.deviantart.com/?order=5&q=st ... r#/d5n5q2o

(Though come to think of it, what's a Star Destroyer doing so low in an atmosphere?)
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Bright wrote:Figured someone here would appreciate this:

http://www.deviantart.com/?order=5&q=st ... r#/d5n5q2o

(Though come to think of it, what's a Star Destroyer doing so low in an atmosphere?)
Scareing ponies of course :lol:
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Zixinus wrote:Also, am I the only one that finds it ironic that while Twilight points out that Trixie cheated, Twilight gets back at her (well, gets the amulet off at any rate) by also cheating?
Except, she did not. Not unless we consider Twilight's abuse of Deus Ex Machina library to be exact identical cheating with magical item, simply less obvious. So, we have protagonist break oath and then cheat in rematch, but because it's the hero, it's ok :lol:
Am I the only one that thought that Twilight's little levitation performance was kind of... lame? I mean, okay, she can levitate multiple creatures at the same time, that's neat, but how is that unique enough to be considered to be good entertainment for foreign delegates (who else is betting that those will show up later btw?)?
It was lame. Rarity pulled something far more impressive in Art of the Dress episode :P
When she didn't take the bait, they went with the stage magic plan to get it off. Really, I'd say it was more ironic that an amulet-boosted Trixie can beat Twilight, but Twilight can beat a professional showmare like Trixie at stage magic without any artifacts of doom on her side (unless you count Pinkie Pie).
One thing I found ironic that Trixie didn't employed any illusion spells besides her backstory screen. In a way, Drunk-on-Power Trixie and Con-Mare Twilight were perfect swaps of what these two usually are.

Also, not one, but three Deus Ex Machinas, lying, blatant cheating at duel plus using efforts of ten ponies versus Trixie... And all it took was Trixie shrugging and asking for any difficult spell Twilight didn't happened to train for Sparkle to lose rematch too. Heck, magic shield, something Trixie did as an afterthought was more impressive than anything Twilight ever did.
Also interesting that there's a known tier of unicorn magic beyond Twilight's ability to cast.
Yes, how can student-teenager not be the most powerful ever? :wink:

Frankly, I am glad all the Mary Sue fanon nonsense about Twilight being most powerful unicorn repeatedly kicked the bucket in last episodes, just like Celestia being some sort of goddess was before it.
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Irbis wrote:Yes, how can student-teenager not be the most powerful ever? :wink:

Frankly, I am glad all the Mary Sue fanon nonsense about Twilight being most powerful unicorn repeatedly kicked the bucket in last episodes, just like Celestia being some sort of goddess was before it.
That's why I said it was interesting. Clearly there have been unicorns more powerful than Twilight. What's special about her is how strong she is at her age.
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Ralin wrote:That's why I said it was interesting. Clearly there have been unicorns more powerful than Twilight. What's special about her is how strong she is at her age.
Maybe. But, to be fair, we never saw other Canterlot-educated student unicorns. We never saw what old, experienced one was capable of doing. We know group of unicorns is perfectly capable of replacing Celestia, messing with timestream or create vastly powerful artefacts as an afterthought - we don't know how Twilight measures up to that. There are even whole, multiple fields of magic Twilight never uses.

To put it in strict terms of VS threads - say, Twilight vs Trixie. We saw Twilight exerting herself - we never saw Trixie really doing so. Can we compare their potentials then, really? In both episodes, Twilight had advantage of reading cheat sheet just before challenge - how they would measure up with neutral environment, we can't say with certainty. We can't even say who is more experienced - Twilight lazily experimenting with new spells when she feels like so (she knows barely 20 after all, something she should be able to learn in a few months) or Trixie, who actually needs to do them for a living, shifting repertoire for bored audiences often? Or is it the other way around, Trixie repeating the same small amount of spells while Twilight gets optimal variety?

Canon is so fuzzy it can go either way, really, Twilight might only seem special because she gets all the limelight as a protagonist, but it was never surely quantified. Yes, she is big shot in Ponyville, but then again, virtually everyone there has elementary education at best. That's why fanons making her goddess, especially ones presenting it like indisputable truth irritate me, because they are resemble zealous faith more than something offering base for real discussion.
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Well, Celestia did say she'd never seen an unicorn with Twilight's raw abilities. And goddess or not she's been around for over a thousand years. She does seem like somepony who could say that with some authority. So no, it's not explicitly shown, but it certainly seems implied that Twilight is exceptional for her age/level of training and that she's only going to become more so over time.

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Irbis wrote:Except, she did not. Not unless we consider Twilight's abuse of Deus Ex Machina library to be exact identical cheating with magical item, simply less obvious. So, we have protagonist break oath and then cheat in rematch, but because it's the hero, it's ok :lol:
Is there any particular reason why Twilight shouldn't have lied and cheated to take down Trixie? She never wanted the fight to begin with and only accepted it because Trixie was blatantly abusing her power to fuck with other ponies and it seemed like the quickest way to get her to go away. Twilight made it abundantly clear at the beginning of the episode that she didn't give two shits about proving she was better than Trixie. The fact that Trixie proceeded to set herself up as a petty despot only makes playing dirty to take her down more justified.

Hell, even Trixie was better off for it since the amulet was pretty clearly presented as fucking with her head. Better some sleight of hand than getting her ass kicked when the princess shows up.

Also, random thought that occurred to me as I was looking over what I just wrote. Why didn't Celestia have Twilight and company take the Elements of Harmony with them to the Crystal Empire? It seems like it would be a wise precaution, all things considered.
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Ralin wrote:Also, random thought that occurred to me as I was looking over what I just wrote. Why didn't Celestia have Twilight and company take the Elements of Harmony with them to the Crystal Empire? It seems like it would be a wise precaution, all things considered.
They did. Why does everyone keep forgetting that the Elements aren't just a fancy set of jewelry, it's just something that happens to be inside of the 6 of them?
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Ralin wrote:Well, Celestia did say she'd never seen an unicorn with Twilight's raw abilities. And goddess or not she's been around for over a thousand years. She does seem like somepony who could say that with some authority. So no, it's not explicitly shown, but it certainly seems implied that Twilight is exceptional for her age/level of training and that she's only going to become more so over time.
One thing, didn't she said that when Twilight was just a baby? As we know, the only other unicorn baby we saw on the show also displayed random abilities far in excess what we saw adult Twilight do.

And it was polite lie anyway, as the number includes Luna and Cadence, doesn't it? They were still called 'winged unicorns' by writers in S1.
Is there any particular reason why Twilight shouldn't have lied and cheated to take down Trixie?
No, but had the villain did it, we would hear no end of endless accusations of him/her being honourless hax cheat winning by Plot. Since it was protagonist, it's A-ok :P
Hell, even Trixie was better off for it since the amulet was pretty clearly presented as fucking with her head. Better some sleight of hand than getting her ass kicked when the princess shows up.
Assuming whose ass would be kicked... :wink:

We saw Celestia lose to ~2x Cadence level of power, Amulet if anything was much more impressive.
KlavoHunter wrote:They did. Why does everyone keep forgetting that the Elements aren't just a fancy set of jewelry, it's just something that happens to be inside of the 6 of them?
Then what was locked in Celestia's garderobe just so that Discord could steal it and Chrysalis could block access to it? :|
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Ralin wrote:
Irbis wrote:Except, she did not. Not unless we consider Twilight's abuse of Deus Ex Machina library to be exact identical cheating with magical item, simply less obvious. So, we have protagonist break oath and then cheat in rematch, but because it's the hero, it's ok :lol:
Is there any particular reason why Twilight shouldn't have lied and cheated to take down Trixie? She never wanted the fight to begin with and only accepted it because Trixie was blatantly abusing her power to fuck with other ponies and it seemed like the quickest way to get her to go away. Twilight made it abundantly clear at the beginning of the episode that she didn't give two shits about proving she was better than Trixie. The fact that Trixie proceeded to set herself up as a petty despot only makes playing dirty to take her down more justified.
Both times Trixie showed up Twilight was trying to avoid a confrontation until she had no choice.
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Is there any particular reason why Twilight shouldn't have lied and cheated to take down Trixie?
No, but had the villain did it, we would hear no end of endless accusations of him/her being honourless hax cheat winning by Plot. Since it was protagonist, it's A-ok :P
The difference is all about why they cheated. Twilight cheated to stop Trixie's enslavement of Ponyville. Villains cheat for villainous reasons.
Assuming whose ass would be kicked... :wink:

We saw Celestia lose to ~2x Cadence level of power, Amulet if anything was much more impressive.
Just because it looks more impressive doesn't mean it's better.

Trixie didn't even think about conquering Equestria until she got the doorstop amulet. That might have been because she was just thinking too small*, or it might have been because she didn't think she could win even with the alicorn amulet. Trixie's feats with the amulet were refereed to as being on the same level as the most powerful unicorns, not as being more powerful than them.

Then there is how she reacted when she thought Twilight had duplicated Rainbow Dash, while Celestia has an honor guard consisting of identical looking ponies. Where did Celestia get them from ?
Saying they are duplicated is not the only explanation. But it's also not an explanation that can be just brushed aside.

*I doubt Trixie went anywhere near big cities with her traveling act because that's where the powerful unicorns would be, while small towns wouldn't normally have anyone trained in using magic. So when her entire career relies on her avoiding big cities, I can easily see that habit remaining after getting more powerful.
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Regarding Twilights "power level" and difficulty in levitating animals, I figured it was mostly because artistic levitation isn't really her strength.

Shining Armor and Cadence are both able to project force fields capable of protecting cities but we never see them do much else in the way of impressive magic (granted we only see them in two episodes, but still). Twilight has cast a shield spell similar to Shining Armors twice, one against Discord and the second when shielding her treehouse from the CMC. Its quite possible that Twilights magical skill lies mainly in her repertoire of spells along with some impressive level of power, above the average unicorn but below her brother. Magically levitating a bunch of animals safely might require more energy/concentration than Twilight is used to.

Alternately, she could have been exhausted from some other sort of magical practice she'd done before the start of the episode. Who knows?
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Rossum wrote:Regarding Twilights "power level" and difficulty in levitating animals, I figured it was mostly because artistic levitation isn't really her strength.

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Magically levitating a bunch of animals safely might require more energy/concentration than Twilight is used to.
I think "safely" is the key word here. They're soft, squishy, and squirming. If she holds them too tightly, or accelerates too hard, they'd go squish, and Flutters would do Bad Things to her. If she doesn't hold tightly enough, they'd go splat. If she's too careful, the VIPs wouldn't be impressed, and she'd be banished, then locked in a dungeon or something.
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