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Havok wrote:There has been nothing established in any of the movies that puts any of the heroes really out of the power range of the others nor their styles.

I mean yeah, the Hulk can smash helicopters and planes, but not tanks. He does the destruction with his hands and throwing stuff.
If you use Ed Norton's Hulk then I agree. Eric Bana's Hulk trashed tanks with impunity. :)
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From what I have gathered it appears that either Ed Norton's Hulk is the 'official' Marvel movieverse one or they're ditching both iterations and creating a completely new Hulk (though it seems to be the former). Pity-I think 'Hulk' was a far superior movie and had a better looking Hulk.
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For those trying to come up with new villains for the movies, you're forgetting that Bucky was experimented on by Hydra, and No One Found A Body.

And we saw that freezing doesn't kill a super-serum enhanced man, so why should Bucky be any different? Say hello to Bucky, found by the Soviets!
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Batman wrote:From what I have gathered it appears that either Ed Norton's Hulk is the 'official' Marvel movieverse one or they're ditching both iterations and creating a completely new Hulk (though it seems to be the former). Pity-I think 'Hulk' was a far superior movie and had a better looking Hulk.
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‘The Avengers’ and the Hulk: Kevin Feige explains a new approach

July 27, 2011 | 6:03 a.m.

The Hulk will appear in his third feature film next year when Oscar-nominated actor Mark Ruffalo gets green in Joss Whedon’s ”The Avengers.” On Sunday, at the final day of Comic-Con International, fans got their first sense of the character’s new visage thanks to a Marvel promotional poster that depicts both the angry giant as well as Ruffalo’s Bruce Banner, shown in sad silhouette. I caught up with Kevin Feige, president of Marvel Studios and producer of “The Avengers,” to talk about the new green movement.

GB: Will we see anything substantially different in the visual realization of the Hulk?

KF: Well, I don’t know about substantially different. It will be as different as ”The Incredible Hulk” was from Ang Lee’s “Hulk” in terms of its look and design, but it is Hulk. The image we released on the last day of Comic-Con — which got a tremendous amount of attention and I was very pleased about — is a very good representation of what he’s going to look like. Hulk is Hulk. We’re not going to reinvent the wheel.

GB: How big will he be? That’s been a major variable through the years in the comics and the two films as well.

KF: He’ll be about the same size he was in “The Incredible Hulk” [which was about 9 feet tall] or maybe a little bit smaller. His muscles won’t be quite as cut. We figure he’s been the Hulk now for a few years and [his physique is changing]. He’s not as cut or as ripped as he was in “The Incredible Hulk.” The most important thing is that face. As you can already see in that concept painting, it is — more than any Hulk that’s ever been done in live action — a Hulk that let’s you see the actor in there. You will be able to see Ruffalo in there. That was a big revelation for us. It’s just a concept painting, but in that you can see the [influence of Marvel Comics pioneer and original Hulk artist Jack] Kirby, as people have already pointed out, but also, and equally important in this case, Ruffalo’s eyes and his cheek structure. It is him.

GB: That sounds like a very different philosophy than the approach you took on Louis Letterrier’s movie.

KF: It is. It was something we actively avoided before. Hulk was Hulk, he’s not any one actor and Hulk should look like Hulk. It was like Iron Man’s armor, in a way, it wouldn’t change depending on the actor wearing it. But we’ve taken a different approach because Hulk is Banner and, frankly, we came to question our approach. Why are we not doing it this way? So we did a few designs that put Ruffalo into it, and we immediately saw how much more you feel for the creature. When you keep that connection going between Banner and the Hulk and you have characters around him trying to reach Banner inside — “Bruce, calm down,” and all of that classic Hulk stuff — it means more if you see the same actor throughout. I think before it was something we thought might look silly. We were nervous about getting it good enough [via visual effects] to work. Frankly, it was the same way we were nervous early on about making Steve Rogers skinny for “Captain America.” Is this going to look disturbing? Is this going to look silly? In the end, we got that one right. We’re going to get this one right.

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Havok wrote:She was still beating up regular dudes. Security guards at that. I mean, yeah lets assume that Hammer hired ultra bad ass ex military types... on the other hand, he skimps on quality on his weapons, why wouldn't he skimp on security as well.

Widow also wasn't trying to go toe to toe like Happy was. Unless she got some super soldier serum of her own, which is possible, she is just a chick with extensive combat training and fancy wrist shooters.

She is nowhere near Caps level. That said, she certainly can hold her own in almost any situation.
Isn't ultimate Black Widow suposed to be enhanced in some way? internal cybernetics?
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Maybe. I never read the Ultimates. That said, I think Marvel is trying to take the best/coolest aspects of 616 and Ultimate and integrate them, so it's possible. Makes more sense in the logic of this universe.
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Bedlam wrote: Isn't ultimate Black Widow suposed to be enhanced in some way? internal cybernetics?
Supposedly. Hawkeye comments about it during one of their ops together killing a bunch of aliens. This was before Ultimate Hawkeye essentially became Bullseye (I mean, c'mon. Killing people by flicking his own fingernails? WTF!?!).


616 Black Widow is probably enhanced in some way too. She seems to have at least been exposed to some variant of the Infinity Formula, which keeps her and Nick Fury looking young even though they were both around in the 1940s (she was just a kid then, but still). Some of the stuff in her own book hints that she might have been exposed to some version of a Soviet super soldier serum (could just be the Infinity Formula) via the Red Room but I don't know if that story was ever finished so whatever the Red Room was doing other than brainwashing and training operatives I have no idea.
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New trailer and oh my.



This one's playing up the interpersonal conflicts among the team a little more, though still no clarification about the aliens. Also looks like the Hulk will be included in the team right off the bat rather than the team initially forming to take him on like in the comics.

Edit: Oh yeah, and the movie's called "Avengers Assemble" in the UK.
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Much better trailer. The first left me yawning, and Loki with his Nicolas Cage/Tom Hanks haircut did little to ameliorate this fact. I still find it disappointing however that they weren't able to get Edward Norton to reprise his role as Bruce Banner/Hulk.
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Bright wrote:New trailer and oh my.



This one's playing up the interpersonal conflicts among the team a little more, though still no clarification about the aliens. Also looks like the Hulk will be included in the team right off the bat rather than the team initially forming to take him on like in the comics.

Edit: Oh yeah, and the movie's called "Avengers Assemble" in the UK.
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Excellent, well-done trailer, and as someone who's never read the comic books it's left me with great anticipation. You have to keep in mind though that these things are designed specifically to get butts in seats.

That being said...SQUEE!
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Squee indeed, the spring is looking up.
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Funny how they have their little squabbles with each other except with Hulk. lol I guess they don't want to mess with him? :)

Though I did like how Hulk seems to save Iron Man.

I'd love to watch the movie in theaters but I'll wait for the DVD to come out instead.
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Enigma wrote:Funny how they have their little squabbles with each other except with Hulk. lol I guess they don't want to mess with him? :)

Though I did like how Hulk seems to save Iron Man.

I'd love to watch the movie in theaters but I'll wait for the DVD to come out instead.
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Regarding power levels, iirc Black Widow used a lot of gadgets to go with her martial arts when taking down Hammer's security goons. Comparing her abilities with Cap, I don't think she could have pulled off the assault on the Hydra factory that Cap did (the one where he rescued the POWs).

Anyone recall what Captain America's biggest observed feats of strength, and of durability, were in his movie?
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Captain America was able to keep pace with an automobile that was moving at considerable speeds for a reasonable amount of time, without showing any noticeable signs of exhaustion (that I recall). He was also able to leap at least ten meters.
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^He also punched through the window of a mini-sub while it was underwater. That strikes me as being pretty impressive.
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I recall one of his "Buy War Bonds!" campaign stage shows where he was lifting a motorcycle with a few showgirls on it clean over his head, as in a full clean and military press type of lift.. I take it that it could very well have been an actual motorcycle. He didn't appear to be straining at all, either.
I don't have the movie on hand, though.

Also worth noting, as we've already observed that the movies seem to be a blend of Ultimate and 616.. while Cap in 616 is merely "peak human performance", Ultimate Cap is far more powerful, certainly well into the range of what we'd consider superhuman. I would say the movies seem to be going more for the latter.
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SCRawl wrote:^He also punched through the window of a mini-sub while it was underwater. That strikes me as being pretty impressive.
That thing could have been made of ordinary window glass (and likely wasn't-submarine, pressure and all that) and I doubt any human could have done it due to the water resistance slowing down the punch.
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+1 for how amazingly awesome this trailer is. :)

Movie Cap is clearly superhuman. The best example is probably the one that Cykeisme pointed out, where he easily lifted a motorcycle and several women over his head. As for the submarine scene and water resistance, he didn't just punch through the window. He plucked the guy out of the sub and threw him all the way out of the water, several feet into the air and back onto land. Also, during Cap's diversionary attack on the final HYDRA base, his blows were able to send men flying through the air.
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If the stuff they pumped Tim Roth up with in The Incredible Hulk was the same 'Super Soldier Serum', we can assume that Cap would be able to replicate Blonsky's feats in the college campus scene. He was agile enough to evade Hulk's blows for at least a minute, able to sprint fast enough to keep ahead of him when luring him in front of the sonic trucks, and durable enough to survive getting kicked into a tree by one of the strongest individuals in the setting. Definitely superhuman in other words.

Incidentally there is a nice piece of continuity (not sure if it was deliberate) in that the serum definitely seemed to accentuate Blonsky's own character flaws (chiefly his 'be the best' alpha dog tendencies) in that film.
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This is a good point, though it's possible that the serum had been enhanced over the decades. From what I recall in the comics, it was the crucial absence of the "vita-rays" which usually caused the process to fail (in one way or another) in cases other than Cap's.
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I think they said the project and seryum had been on ice since Cap's time. General Bridges had only recently had any further work done and Blonsky was the first human trial since Rogers.
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Am I the only one who thought of the dragon-aliens from the Mandarin's backstory when I saw they flying mechanical D-War reject?
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Ahriman238 wrote:Am I the only one who thought of the dragon-aliens from the Mandarin's backstory when I saw they flying mechanical D-War reject?
It made me think of the Midgard Serpent because of Loki and Thor, but it could be a decent way to have "Fin Fang Foom" and his race be the ones whose technology the Mandarin is using in his rings, or whatever.
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