Watchmen trailer

Death from the Sea · Post by **Death from the Sea** » 2008-07-26 10:22pm

So this movie is about a group of superheroes that none have any super powers except for one? and they don't want to save the people? what is Watchmen about?

Peptuck · Post by **Peptuck** » 2008-07-26 10:32pm

Death from the Sea wrote:So this movie is about a group of superheroes that none have any super powers except for one? and they don't want to save the people? what is Watchmen about?

The complete, total, and brutal deconstruction of the superhero genre as a whole.

Death from the Sea · Post by **Death from the Sea** » 2008-07-26 10:50pm

Peptuck wrote:
Death from the Sea wrote:So this movie is about a group of superheroes that none have any super powers except for one? and they don't want to save the people? what is Watchmen about?
The complete, total, and brutal deconstruction of the superhero genre as a whole.

hmmmm... could be interesting. the trailer does look neat.

Bug-Eyed Earl · Post by **Bug-Eyed Earl** » 2008-07-26 11:41pm

Peptuck wrote:
Bug-Eyed Earl wrote: That, and though the heroes agree to keep Veidt, they kill him to see to it he pays for what he did; they even include Dr. Manhattan killing Rorshach
Wait a second; isn't the whole reason Rorschach demands Manhattan kill him because they let Veidt go?

Its been forever since I read Watchmen, so I might have forgotten something.

They agree to keep his secret; Veidt's plan is to destroy three cities, make it look like Dr. Manhattan did it, and play forged audio of him demanding the world powers cease their hostilities. They kill Veidt so he doesn't get off scot-free, but they agree to keep his plan secret; Rorshach refuses, and says he'll go public if they won't

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2008-07-27 02:33am

So they are going for the lesser of proposed endings? Ah well, guess I'll see it later, given one of the highlights of Watchmen is the success and irony of the ending, not some bizarre teeny booper justice.

Ah well, will they keep Viedt's speech about twarting the plan

?

Ford Prefect · Post by **Ford Prefect** » 2008-07-27 02:57am

Ghost Rider wrote: Ah well, will they keep Viedt's speech about twarting the plan ?

Omiting that would be utterly insane. Anyone who has read the comic and then decides it would be a good idea to remove that little speech is verifiably not all there in the brain department.

McC · Post by **McC** » 2008-07-27 08:39am

Bug-Eyed Earl wrote:Unfortunately, they did. After nearly two decades of rewrites, overhauls, and various screenwriters, they went back to the very first script ever written, way back in 1989.

OF COURSE that's not the shooting script! It keeps the ending, pretty much, except: Veidt's scheme is to vaporize several cities and make them think Dr. Manhattan did it and is forcing them to commit to peace. That, and though the heroes agree to keep Veidt, they kill him to see to it he pays for what he did; they even include Dr. Manhattan killing Rorshach

Er, do you have an article from a credible source backing this up? I haven't seen any mention of alterations to the ending in any of the articles/reports I've been reading.

Bug-Eyed Earl · Post by **Bug-Eyed Earl** » 2008-07-27 09:46am

McC wrote:
Bug-Eyed Earl wrote:Unfortunately, they did. After nearly two decades of rewrites, overhauls, and various screenwriters, they went back to the very first script ever written, way back in 1989.

OF COURSE that's not the shooting script! It keeps the ending, pretty much, except: Veidt's scheme is to vaporize several cities and make them think Dr. Manhattan did it and is forcing them to commit to peace. That, and though the heroes agree to keep Veidt, they kill him to see to it he pays for what he did; they even include Dr. Manhattan killing Rorshach
Er, do you have an article from a credible source backing this up? I haven't seen any mention of alterations to the ending in any of the articles/reports I've been reading.

No, just the actual script. I got the GI Joe script awhile back and gave it to a guy, and in return, he gave me the He-Man script when I asked for it and he also provided Watchmen and Wolverine.

McC · Post by **McC** » 2008-07-27 02:52pm

Bug-Eyed Earl wrote:No, just the actual script. I got the GI Joe script awhile back and gave it to a guy, and in return, he gave me the He-Man script when I asked for it and he also provided Watchmen and Wolverine.

And how do you know his scripts (or the one you received and traded) were authentic?

Sorry, those are just some fairly tall claims.

Bug-Eyed Earl · Post by **Bug-Eyed Earl** » 2008-07-27 04:35pm

Do you really want to see the laundry list of reasons I think they're authentic? Here goes:

1. I got the scripts for Transformers, Halloween, and Batman Begins months before they came out.

2. I've never gotten a script that turned out to be fake.

3. It's very hard to write a fake script which can pass as a professionally done(albeit poorly written); writing any script is time-consuming; I've never seen a "fake script."

4. Most of the ones I get are reviewed by El Mayimbe at www.latinoreview.com I asked him a question once about a script review and he emailed me back asking if I was interested in buying it; weeks later said script was online. I'm really surprised this guy hasn't been busted by a studio(and no, I've never paid for a script)

Patrick Degan · Post by **Patrick Degan** » 2008-07-28 12:40am

Ford Prefect wrote:
Ghost Rider wrote: Ah well, will they keep Viedt's speech about twarting the plan ?
Omiting that would be utterly insane. Anyone who has read the comic and then decides it would be a good idea to remove that little speech is verifiably not all there in the brain department.

Oh yes. That had the best line in the entire series:

"Do it"? Dan, I'm not a Republic serial villain. Do you seriously expect I'd outline my masterstroke in every detail if there remained the slightest chance of you stopping it?

I did it thirty five minutes ago.

bilateralrope · Post by **bilateralrope** » 2008-07-28 02:58am

Actually it was:

Do it ?

Dan, I'm not a Republic serial villain. Do you seriously think I would explain my masterstroke if there remained the slightest chance of you affecting its outcome?

I did it thirty-five minutes ago.

And if it's not in there, there is no way I'll be seeing the movie. Well, I might go if they rephrase it a bit without losing any of the feel.

Stark · Post by **Stark** » 2008-07-28 04:27am

Why would the change the climax in detail (ie, who did what to whom) and leave it the same in principle? I've never understood that sort of thing.

Tsyroc · Post by **Tsyroc** » 2008-07-28 08:06am

My best guess is they thought to streamline Ozzy's plan by having it be a frame up of Dr. Manhattan instead of trying to explain the creation of the giant monster designed by a bunch of artists and created with the genetics of psychically sensitive people. It simplifies the story a little but kind of makes me wonder what clues Rorschach will be trailing to actually end up confronting Ozzy if the actual crime has been tweaked.

I also thought the design of the monster might upset some people who see sexual obscene things in art easily and tend to get offended by it

Rye · Post by **Rye** » 2008-07-28 10:08am

Heh, this thread should be called: Watchmen Trailer (here is the ending to the film). It seems likely that there'd be various scripts floating about. Different scripts are written at different stages (the original idea for Ghostbusters revolved around 3 people travelling through time to capture various ghosts), and rewritten by different people to see what works and what doesn't. I'm not sure why they do this for adaptations and the like, but it's a regular thing. I guess it's also a decent way of dealing with people who get the scripts early.

Given Snyder's treatment of 300 and how several of the shots are directly from the comic-as-storyboard method, it's probably going to be as close to the original as you can realistically get.

Alan Moore will probably still be grumpy, mind.

Big Orange · Post by **Big Orange** » 2008-07-28 10:27am

In an interview with Matthew Good (the guy cast as Adrian Veidt) he did allude that something will attack New York as part of his master plan, although it won't necessarily be that silly giant squid with a pussy for a mouth (it could be a giant robot for all we know, but as long as Veidt seemingly 'gets away' with his plan and 'solves' the problem of the Cold War turning hot, brought about through his own machinations, then no harm done).

Adrian Laguna · Post by **Adrian Laguna** » 2008-07-28 01:42pm

Death from the Sea wrote:So this movie is about a group of superheroes that none have any super powers except for one?

Actually, both Ozymandians and Rorscharch are implied to have slight super-powers. They both do things that even Batman would be hard pressed to match.

Bounty · Post by **Bounty** » 2008-07-28 01:46pm

Adrian Laguna wrote:
Death from the Sea wrote:So this movie is about a group of superheroes that none have any super powers except for one?
Actually, both Ozymandians and Rorscharch are implied to have slight super-powers. They both do things that even Batman would be hard pressed to match.

I can understand Ozymandias - unless I misunderstood the TV scene - but Rorschach? He's a good brawler and a decent sleuth, but apart from that, what did he do a regular human can't do?

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2008-07-28 01:50pm

Bounty wrote:
I can understand Ozymandias - unless I misunderstood the TV scene - but Rorschach? He's a good brawler and a decent sleuth, but apart from that, what did he do a regular human can't do?

Rorschach is more an oddity in the same was as The Joker. He isn't so much a superhero, rather he's a person completely out of place in that world.

Bounty · Post by **Bounty** » 2008-07-28 01:53pm

Admiral Valdemar wrote:
Bounty wrote:
I can understand Ozymandias - unless I misunderstood the TV scene - but Rorschach? He's a good brawler and a decent sleuth, but apart from that, what did he do a regular human can't do?
Rorschach is more an oddity in the same was as The Joker. He isn't so much a superhero, rather he's a person completely out of place in that world.

That's what I thought. He's not superpowered, he just has a really weird mind.

McC · Post by **McC** » 2008-07-31 01:13pm

More Watchmen pics

Bounty · Post by **Bounty** » 2008-07-31 01:30pm

Hey, Ozymandias' got his golden suit back! The Nite Owl suit is looking browner than it did in the trailer too. Light tricks?

Still, all's looking good.

Sriad · Post by **Sriad** » 2008-08-03 04:37am

http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20213273,00.html

Article in Entertainment Weekly (I know) gave me cause for some optimism. Zach Snyder says a lot of the right things:

"In 2005, Greengrass was deep into preproduction on a present-day, war-on-terror-themed adaptation by David Hayter (X-Men), when a regime change at Paramount Pictures led to its demise. Enter Warner Bros., which acquired the rights in late 2005. Snyder was working on 300 for the studio at the time, and he was alarmed when he heard about the deal. After some soul-searching, his fear of seeing a bad Watchmen movie trumped his fear of trying to make a great one. ''They were going to do it anyway,'' he says. ''And that made me nervous.'' Over many months, and many meetings, Snyder persuaded Warner Bros. to abandon the Greengrass/Hayter script and hew as faithfully as possible to the comic. The key battles: retaining the '80s milieu, keeping Richard Nixon (Moore did consider using an era-appropriate Ronald Reagan, but worried it would alienate American readers), and preserving the villain-doesn't-pay-for-his-crimes climax."

Though "The catastrophic climax is different. Provocative bits, like a timely subplot about alternative fuels, have been added." is cause for concern. I mean... eh. I know I'll watch it in the theater with all my IRL nerd friends, and I know it won't be AS awesomely amazing as the graphic novel. I'm just hoping for awesome or amazing.

Shadowtraveler · Post by **Shadowtraveler** » 2008-08-04 07:52am

Sriad wrote:Though "The catastrophic climax is different. Provocative bits, like a timely subplot about alternative fuels, have been added." is cause for concern. I mean... eh. I know I'll watch it in the theater with all my IRL nerd friends, and I know it won't be AS awesomely amazing as the graphic novel. I'm just hoping for awesome or amazing.

Depends on what they're trying to do. They had alternative fuel cars (hydrogen cells I think) in the comic thanks to Dr. Manhatten's effector powers.

Stark · Post by **Stark** » 2008-08-04 07:56am

That's actually pretty sad. Electric cars were one of the most visible differences in the Watchmen universe - trying to 'add' a 'timely' subplot about 'alternative fuels' is not only deeply retarded and artistically bankrupt, but shows they've never even opened the book.

But hey, we all knew it'd be X-men 4 or Fantastic Four With Sillier Hats, right?