killing hogwarts and other magical places

[Agent Fisher]

if a muggle army could see hogwarts and attack it how would they fare against them.
if an infantry brigade was in middle earth could they conquer it.
and can gandalf and wizards from HP survive being shot.

[phongn]

1. They'd win.
2. No, logistics dooms them, but while they have supplies they dominate.
3. Yes. Being 'shot' is far too vague (in the arm with a 9mm? A 0.22 to the hand? A 20mm to the chest?)

[DPDarkPrimus]

HOGWARTS-DOKEN!

[SirNitram]

Gandalf might be able to survive being shot by a normal rifle or handgun(He certainly survived falling a long fucking way with the Balrog), but 'being shot' is rather indistinct. 9mm handgun? M16? 120mm Smoothbore? Tomahawk? MIRV warhead?

Anyway. Against low-power magical settings like HP world and Middle Earth, RL armies can crush them. Against middle level, it becomes a very bloody war, especially when mages realize they do their best work by remaining unseen amongst the unwashed masses until they pounce with horrific power.

Against the few uber-power settings, nothing short of MAD will save the modern world.. And maybe not even that.

[Yogi]

Magic generally cannot go toe to toe with Technology in terms of firepower. The Mages have to be sneaky in order to pull some sort of win. Depends on how well a movement can go underground.

[FOG3]

I'd love to see them try to take Paranor ie Druid's Keep when it's sealed.

[Zaia]

if a muggle army could see hogwarts and attack it how would they fare against them.

How would who fare against whom? The muggles against the wizards, or vice versa?

[Agent Fisher]

both who would win
being shot means small arms such as what a military infantry unit would have. excluding .50 cal sniper rifles. also small arms includes pistol.
assuming they are shot in the chest.

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[Steven Snyder]

if a muggle army could see hogwarts and attack it how would they fare against them.

It's a school full of teachers and children. Some may have the spell equivalent of weapons, but it is still a school.

if an infantry brigade was in middle earth could they conquer it.

No, without access to supply lines from home they would run out of fuel, bullets, and food. They could get the latter from local sources, but without the first two things they would quickly lose effectiveness. Their vehicles would stop, their ammunition would be expended, and then it would be over for them.

and can gandalf and wizards from HP survive being shot.

Gandalf, I don't think any mortal weapon could kill him for long. The long fall with the Balrog (the impact to be precise) would have killed any normal human.

Your average HP wizard has no special immunity to bullets that I know of, though a powerful one might. There are charms to make one immune to fire and such...so I suppose it is possible.

[Howedar]

Dumbledore in combat does not withstand any injury; rather, he uses his wizardry to have other objects block spells and such. A handgun would probably do him in.

[Jadeite]

Id like to see a modern army vs Netheril.

[SirNitram]

Id like to see a modern army vs Netheril.

That's cruel. That's just too cruel. Sure, a single soldier or tank will assrape a Netherese soldier.. But once they advance too far, an Archwizard will flatten them all with Pulse spells(Incinerates everything within a ~7 mile radius in burst form, similar to the flash of a nuclear bomb) and Killing Winds(Bang, You're Dead Spell that covers several miles each casting.) and the army will simply be scoured from the field. Add in the insane lifting capacity of an Archwizard, and you get mile-wide mountains being used as catapult stones.

A modern armies only hope would be a nuclear first strike, and that's iffy, as they must evade counter-fire from Arcanists who can dish out isotons of firepower over and over, and they have a lot of area to glass.

[Darth Gojira]

Id like to see a modern army vs Netheril.

How about Godzilla? Just as one-sided, but less relavent and more familiar

[Jadeite]

That's cruel. That's just too cruel. Sure, a single soldier or tank will assrape a Netherese soldier.. But once they advance too far, an Archwizard will flatten them all with Pulse spells(Incinerates everything within a ~7 mile radius in burst form, similar to the flash of a nuclear bomb) and Killing Winds(Bang, You're Dead Spell that covers several miles each casting.) and the army will simply be scoured from the field. Add in the insane lifting capacity of an Archwizard, and you get mile-wide mountains being used as catapult stones.

Where are the stats for Pulse? Iv seen them for Killing Wind, but Iv never seen Pulse before.

[SirNitram]

Where are the stats for Pulse? Iv seen them for Killing Wind, but Iv never seen Pulse before.

Pulse does not exist as a sourcebook spell, but is from the novel Sword Play. One shot simply scours the vast majority of a cavern 'nearly a dozen miles across' of everything. Demons are vaporized with nothing left. In a flash. Hence my analogies to nukes. Survivors existed at the edge, past the layer of burned-to-horrific-demonic-death.

It can also be cast as a focused shot, but cannot kill a Pit Fiend in his own domain. It can fuck him up, though.

[Jadeite]

Pulse does not exist as a sourcebook spell, but is from the novel Sword Play. One shot simply scours the vast majority of a cavern 'nearly a dozen miles across' of everything. Demons are vaporized with nothing left. In a flash. Hence my analogies to nukes. Survivors existed at the edge, past the layer of burned-to-horrific-demonic-death.

Ok, thank you. The reason I was wondering is I have a Black Mage character in an FR setting in which Netheril fell, but its magic was copied by other nations later. Which means my character is going to be able to use that spell, I would imagine its 11th level. Is it centered around the caster? I would assume its also a spell that makes no distinctions between friend or foe.

[SirNitram]

Pulse does not exist as a sourcebook spell, but is from the novel Sword Play. One shot simply scours the vast majority of a cavern 'nearly a dozen miles across' of everything. Demons are vaporized with nothing left. In a flash. Hence my analogies to nukes. Survivors existed at the edge, past the layer of burned-to-horrific-demonic-death.

Ok, thank you. The reason I was wondering is I have a Black Mage character in an FR setting in which Netheril fell, but its magic was copied by other nations later. Which means my character is going to be able to use that spell, I would imagine its 11th level. Is it centered around the caster? I would assume its also a spell that makes no distinctions between friend or foe.

The 'burst' form centers around the caster, and apparently the caster can designate some individuals to be left unharmed. Going out on a limb, I'd guess it's one individual unharmed per two levels. The spell is likely 11th level, since the two wizards in the party were tossing around 10th level ones and couldn't match that.

I'm curious about your setting, but that should probably be shifted to PM's.

[The Drunkard Kid]

Y'know, if Potter Wizards could sneak into major cities and make them unplottable (make it impossible to put on a map, like they did to Hogwarts), Muggles would be severly... irritated, at the very least. Of course, we don't know what kind of limitations there are on that spell(s), so it's difficult to use that tactic in a debate...

[FOG3]

Gandalf, I don't think any mortal weapon could kill him for long. The long fall with the Balrog (the impact to be precise) would have killed any normal human.

That is because Gandalf is not human. He is Maiar and a powerful one at that.

[Crown]

Gandalf, I don't think any mortal weapon could kill him for long. The long fall with the Balrog (the impact to be precise) would have killed any normal human.

That is because Gandalf is not human. He is Maiar and a powerful one at that.

Bah! Anakin's fall in AotC, was just as impressive (remember a human being's terminal velocity is a max of 200 km/h, which takes 5.6 seconds in a standard gravity to reach). Small arms fire, or maybe medium arms fire, should kill him just fine.

[Eframepilot]

if a muggle army could see hogwarts and attack it how would they fare against them.

Hmm. Depends on the size and equipment, and if some sort of bulletproofing charm exists. The Imperturbable Charm might be capable of repelling bullets. We will probably eventually have an explanation of why the police can't deal with Death Eaters. If no spell to repel bullets exists, a force of a few hundred or so should be more than enough. With a bullet-repelling charm, much heavier artillery (or better yet, airstrikes) would be required. Gas won't work well due to the Bubble-head charm.

if an infantry brigade was in middle earth could they conquer it.

As already answered, no. Even if they had infinite supplies, a single brigade couldn't possibly conquer a continent. But they would dominate any foes they came across.[/quote]
and can gandalf and wizards from HP survive being shot.[/quote]
HP wizards are (mostly) ordinary mortals. They are a bit more resistant to normal accidents, as seen in the incredibly dangerous Quidditch games, but not inherently bulletproof.

Gandalf OTOH is a mystery. With the exception of the Balrog battle after they fell into the abyss, Gandalf is a very low-powered wizard. His best combat feat was the killing of six orcs in a single flash in The Hobbit, but he was trapped in the trees by a larger group and, according to the omniscient narrator, would have been doomed if he had lept down among them. Saruman, of roughly equal power to Gandalf the Grey, fled from Quickbeam the Ent. As Saruman certainly would not hold back his power, it suggests the Istari were vulnerable to normal physical force when unprepared. Gandalf the White is a different story; if we take his words literally, not even Anduril could have harmed him, so he might well be bulletproof.