T-800 vrs Wolverine (Comic version)

Sam Or I · Post by **Sam Or I** » 2003-07-14 02:21pm

No weapons, who wins?

Rye · Post by **Rye** » 2003-07-14 02:23pm

I'd guess that adamantium claws are stronger than titanium hyperalloy, so Wolverine would win, i doubt that a terminator would be fast enough to put his fist into wolvie.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2003-07-14 02:25pm

Rye wrote:I'd guess that adamantium claws

He hasn't got them, he's been de-clawed.

Rye · Post by **Rye** » 2003-07-14 02:27pm

NecronLord wrote:
Rye wrote:I'd guess that adamantium claws
He hasn't got them, he's been de-clawed.

He has? FFS, when was this?

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2003-07-14 02:27pm

No claws?

Wolverine is fucked...He's still soft and mushy and his claws are huge part of his arsenal.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2003-07-14 02:45pm

Rye wrote:
NecronLord wrote:
Rye wrote:I'd guess that adamantium claws
He hasn't got them, he's been de-clawed.
He has? FFS, when was this?

Original post. They are weapons are they not?

Sam Or I · Post by **Sam Or I** » 2003-07-14 02:50pm

He has his claws. I meant basically as they would be as if sent through time, and they find cloths somewhere.

thecreech · Post by **thecreech** » 2003-07-14 03:11pm

wolverine wins IMO

Captain Cyran · Post by **Captain Cyran** » 2003-07-14 03:56pm

With the claws, Wolvie slices, he dices, he makes Terminator fries.

Without the claws, it gets to be a really interesting fight but Wolvie eventually bites it big time.

MrAnderson · Post by **MrAnderson** » 2003-07-14 04:06pm

NecronLord wrote:
Rye wrote:
NecronLord wrote: He hasn't got them, he's been de-clawed.
He has? FFS, when was this?
Original post. They are weapons are they not?

That is dumb.

We should them lop of his hands since fists are weapons. Oh wait and his feet since he can kick and that makes feet a weapon. Hmmm, Wolvie may bite too so cut off his lower law since that could be a weapon.

Now go and do the same to the terminator cause anything that can do injury to an opponent can be considered a weapon.

Admiral Johnason · Post by **Admiral Johnason** » 2003-07-14 04:11pm

Captain_Cyran wrote:With the claws, Wolvie slices, he dices, he makes Terminator fries.

Without the claws, it gets to be a really interesting fight but Wolvie eventually bites it big time.

You forget that Wolvie can regenerate fast than he can be destroyed by convential means. The terminator can't. The damage will just keep building up until the T-800 would fall apart.

Captain Cyran · Post by **Captain Cyran** » 2003-07-14 04:19pm

Admiral Johnason wrote:
Captain_Cyran wrote:With the claws, Wolvie slices, he dices, he makes Terminator fries.

Without the claws, it gets to be a really interesting fight but Wolvie eventually bites it big time.
You forget that Wolvie can regenerate fast than he can be destroyed by convential means. The terminator can't. The damage will just keep building up until the T-800 would fall apart.

*Wolvie gets punched through the gut, by the T-800. The T-800 pulls out Wolvies guts and slaps him with them, then removes his head.*

Wolvie is tough but without his Adamentium he ain't THAT tough.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2003-07-14 04:22pm

Also, can we have some objective measures of the effectiveness of these blades? What makes you think they're stronger than an endoskeloton that can be repeatedly smashed by a two ton I bar wielded at considerable speed.

MrAnderson, STFU, it's an implant weapon. Simple as, not an improvised weapon like fists.

Oh, and do curb the quoting a bit.

Captain Cyran · Post by **Captain Cyran** » 2003-07-14 04:26pm

NecronLord wrote:Also, can we have some objective measures of the effectiveness of these blades? What makes you think they're stronger than an endoskeloton that can be repeatedly smashed by a two ton I bar wielded at considerable speed.

MrAnderson, STFU, it's an implant weapon. Simple as, not an improvised weapon like fists.

Oh, and do curb the quoting a bit.

*blink* First off, Adamentium can slice through anything. I don't think I need to put examples down, everyone has seen wolvie cut through motorcycles...cars, thick metal doors.

Second off, claws are far more different from an I bar, sure the I bar weighs more but the weight is spread a lot further out then the sharp blades that Wolvie has, and considering Wolverine's strength I think he can swing his blades to have equal force to the swinging of that I bar.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2003-07-14 04:30pm

Captain_Cyran wrote: *blink* First off, Adamentium can slice through anything. I don't think I need to put examples down, everyone has seen wolvie cut through motorcycles...cars, thick metal doors.

No limits fallacy. Even Lightsabers can't slice through everything.

Second off, claws are far more different from an I bar, sure the I bar weighs more but the weight is spread a lot further out then the sharp blades that Wolvie has, and considering Wolverine's strength I think he can swing his blades to have equal force to the swinging of that I bar.

He gets hit with the corner a few times. No visible deformation (Infiltration covering excluded.)

Why is Wolverine stronger than a T-1000?

Captain Cyran · Post by **Captain Cyran** » 2003-07-14 04:44pm

NecronLord wrote:
Captain_Cyran wrote: *blink* First off, Adamentium can slice through anything. I don't think I need to put examples down, everyone has seen wolvie cut through motorcycles...cars, thick metal doors.
No limits fallacy. Even Lightsabers can't slice through everything.

Second off, claws are far more different from an I bar, sure the I bar weighs more but the weight is spread a lot further out then the sharp blades that Wolvie has, and considering Wolverine's strength I think he can swing his blades to have equal force to the swinging of that I bar.
He gets hit with the corner a few times. No visible deformation (limbs included)

Well, it's not a falacy because it's TRUE never in the comics to the best of my knowledge has Wolverine EVER run into a metal that he could not cut. And I am not impressed by a Terminator, anyone remember T:2 when he got stabbed by a blunt steel poll by the T-1000? Oh yeah, that's real impressive.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2003-07-14 04:51pm

Captain_Cyran wrote: Well, it's not a falacy because it's TRUE never in the comics to the best of my knowledge has Wolverine EVER run into a metal that he could not cut.

Does this preclude one existing?

And I am not impressed by a Terminator, anyone remember T:2 when he got stabbed by a blunt steel poll by the T-1000? Oh yeah, that's real impressive.

Yes, he was stabbed by a T-1000 in a vunerable section, which damaged him temporarily,

"I'm not that impressed by Wolverine, becuase if a T-1000 spiked him in the eye, he'd die.":roll:

Captain Cyran · Post by **Captain Cyran** » 2003-07-14 05:02pm

The substance the T-800 is made out of is not stronger then Adamentium. T:2 Arnold looses a limb to a gear which bent the metal. Sure it's a lot of pressure on it, but when compaired to a metal that DOES NOT BREAK, does not bend.

Also, Wolverine's claws are sharpened on the atomic level, that combined with an unbreakable metal...T-800 doesn't last long.

Dizzy D · Post by **Dizzy D** » 2003-07-14 05:23pm

There is stuff that Wolverine can't slice through:
Captain America's vibranium shield, the Black Knight's sword, other adamantium, there was an invulnerable mutant who couldn't be cut with it.

Because of Adamantium's near indestructibility it can be sharpened to form a mono-molecular blade, which is sharp enough to cut through just about anything.

Rye · Post by **Rye** » 2003-07-14 05:27pm

NecronLord wrote: No limits fallacy. Even Lightsabers can't slice through everything.

It's not a fallacy in this case. Adamantium is indestructible once it's solid. When it's liquid, you have to keep it that way, otherwise it's impossible to mould once it's solidified once.

Or could a lightsabre also not cut through a t800? is that what you're saying?

He gets hit with the corner a few times. No visible deformation (Infiltration covering excluded.)

Adamantium is an extremely dense metal, and the claws are razor sharp. To my knowledge, Wolvie's claws have cut through all other metal bar adamntium and cap's shield (an adamantium vibranium alloy) no reason to think different with titanium hyperalloy.

thecreech · Post by **thecreech** » 2003-07-14 05:38pm

The only things that wolverine can't cut through is things that have Adamantium, have adamantium in them (ie capt America's shield) or energy shields etc etc. Based off of what we see in the Terminator movies I'd say that wolverine would have no problem cutting through a terminator

Darth Garden Gnome · Post by **Darth Garden Gnome** » 2003-07-14 05:38pm

Last I checked, lightsabers could cut through any solid object. Energy weapons (laser bolts, shields like in TPM) can resist them, but that's an entirely different matter all together.

More on-topic, Wolvie can cut through just about anything; the exceptions being things like super-ultra-rare alloys or magic and crap. T-800 doesn't fit into any of those categories though. Therefore, T-800 goes down hard.

Dizzy D · Post by **Dizzy D** » 2003-07-14 05:52pm

Darth Garden Gnome wrote:Last I checked, lightsabers could cut through any solid object. Energy weapons (laser bolts, shields like in TPM) can resist them, but that's an entirely different matter all together.

Mandalorean steel could resist it (or at least the Jedi(was it Exar Kun, can't remember) needed to use the Force to enhance his light-sabre to cut through it)

Yogi · Post by **Yogi** » 2003-07-14 06:07pm

Adamentium is supremely tough. You could leave a bar of Adimentium at Ground Zero of a muclear bomb, and after the explosion, the Adimentium would remain untouched. It is near impossible to destroy with physical force (possibly cosmic beings could do it), and only things that mess with it on a molecular level can affect it.

thecreech · Post by **thecreech** » 2003-07-14 06:12pm

Yogi wrote:Adamentium is supremely tough. You could leave a bar of Adimentium at Ground Zero of a muclear bomb, and after the explosion, the Adimentium would remain untouched. It is near impossible to destroy with physical force (possibly cosmic beings could do it), and only things that mess with it on a molecular level can affect it.

The only time i have see wolverine claws get jacked was when thanos turned them into rubber (along with wolverine). But he had the infinity gauntlet at the time.