What would YOU do in these hypothetical scenarios?

[Broomstick]

You obviously didn't actually read the scenario properly. The car is locked, because left the keys inside the car and opened door, locked door and closed door. Now you are locked outside your car, which is still running. The garage-house key is inside the car. The garage-outside key is also inside your car.

You are aware car windows are breakable? Granted, they aren't as easy to break as depicted in the movies but they can be broken. Are you going to put an intact window above your own life?

The weakest point on the driver's or passenger side window is the corner. Using something to concentrate the force to a point, like a hammer or crowbar, will make the job easier. You're in a garage, the odds are high there is something suitable at hand.

Here is a video of a bunch of mouth-breathers only marginally smarter than a flock of parrots using horrible technique demonstrating that you can, indeed, break through a car window:


Here is a more competent human being:

The garage door opens automatically for people outside, the reason for this being that your mate set it up so that other mates could easily drive in and out of the garage.

I have actually installed garage doors. It is possible to open them from the inside by either a manual override/handle or by simple disconnecting the automatic mechanism. There is the problem that garage doors can be surprisingly heavy, but you should be able to at least open the bottom a small amount, jam something under it (your own shoe, for example. Remove shoe from foot first) and lay down at the gap so you can get fresh air and thereby survive until someone else comes along.

Um, because phone calls require sound to go through. I'm pretty sure skype also requires a microphone, though I've never used it.

Where, exactly, did I specify that this had to be a phone call?

Most people who have called 911 on from the internet are either swatter trolls, people in a VERY local forum, such as a forum for only real-life friends. I doubt there would be any place where people commonly call 911 for a random person over the internet, or else they would be getting thousands of trolls hogging the emergency services every few seconds.

Example of a life saved because someone read something on line and called emergency services

Example of people calling US 911 service not only locally but from another continent

Wow, three minutes on Google. That was difficult.

[Tribble]

You obviously didn't actually read the scenario properly. The car is locked, because left the keys inside the car and opened door, locked door and closed door. Now you are locked outside your car, which is still running. The garage-house key is inside the car. The garage-outside key is also inside your car.

Sorry, I assumed "break your car window if necessary" would be a pretty obvious step for getting access into your car, so I did not include it.

So now I will - if your car is turned on in a confined space and you are in the confined space and cannot leave, then you can break into your car and either turn the engine off or use it to escape. And in this case since the garage house key is inside the car, you won't have to do the ladder. Yes it sucks having to break a car window, but that is far better than dying.

The garage door opens automatically for people outside, the reason for this being that your mate set it up so that other mates could easily drive in and out of the garage

As I said before, the garage door opener itself will usually have a manual override (it's usually a small rope that you pull on) which disconnects the motor from the garage door and allows you to open the door manually. Plus most garages have a button on the inside to open the door.

With all of the options available there is really no reason why you couldn't escape unless you were physically incapacitated and/or Dumber Than Parrots.

And others have already pointed out solutions via laptop, though IMO that should be at the bottom of your priority list since there are plenty of other ways to escape and/or draw attention to yourself.

I await your response.




btw Broomstick, your videos aren't showing.

[U.P. Cinnabar]

My household has a solar generator that's portable, although a deep cycle battery is needed to really make it truly practical as anything other than a stop-gap, and solar systems have nowhere near the the capacity of petro-chemically fueled ones.

Also, you have to be careful even with the batteries - some types can give off toxic gasses so even those you wouldn't want in your living space.

You don't find those in Oklahoma.

[U.P. Cinnabar]

Lets make the second scenario strange: How would everyone here react if they knew that the generator in question was a solar generator ?

1) With shock and amazement at seeing such a strange critter.

2) Wonderment at how much more expensive the solar jenny must have been compared to your basic gas/diesel/electric ones.

[Broomstick]

btw Broomstick, your videos aren't showing.

Well, poo

OK, we do this 1990's-style: here are the raw links:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHeDzuNgjNw

Here is a more competent human being:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6C5Ytc5Soc

[Lord Revan]

in an emergency you can even punch thru a car window, sure it will hurt a lot and that hand will need medical treatment, but smashed and cut up hand is a small price to pay for your life. You can live without a functioning hand if need be, but if you're dead, you're dead no take backs.

[Khaat]

in an emergency you can even punch thru a car window, sure it will hurt a lot and that hand will need medical treatment, but smashed and cut up hand is a small price to pay for your life. You can live without a functioning hand if need be, but if you're dead, you're dead no take backs.

You're talking to a kid who said

I have no idea, but I'm sure I wouldn't survive each scenario the first time I attempted one. If there was a 3-life respawn system that kept your memories, then I probably would.

back on page one.

[Lord Revan]

Why do you think I keep repeating that in real world, dead means dead and there's no take backs, loading from a save or respawing, you get 1 shot at it and if you fail there's no redos.

[Tribble]

btw Broomstick, your videos aren't showing.

Well, poo

OK, we do this 1990's-style: here are the raw links:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHeDzuNgjNw

Here is a more competent human being:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6C5Ytc5Soc

The videos seem to have popped up again.... weird. How do you post videos again? I try using the youtube tag sometimes but it doesn't seem to work.

in an emergency you can even punch thru a car window, sure it will hurt a lot and that hand will need medical treatment, but smashed and cut up hand is a small price to pay for your life. You can live without a functioning hand if need be, but if you're dead, you're dead no take backs.

You're talking to a kid who said

I have no idea, but I'm sure I wouldn't survive each scenario the first time I attempted one. If there was a 3-life respawn system that kept your memories, then I probably would.

back on page one.

So far Archinist appears to be either a child or someone who spent his entire life in a basement. Although I don't think he meets Hall of Shame material, he is rising up fairly quickly through the ranks... do we still have Village Idiot status? IMO he'd might qualify in the near future if he keeps things up. Or should we make a new category called "Dumber than Parrots" for those posts which, while not actually trolling, or attempts at deception etc, are just mind numbingly stupid?

[bilateralrope]

So far Archinist appears to be either a child or someone who spent his entire life in a basement. Although I don't think he meets Hall of Shame material, he is rising up fairly quickly through the ranks... do we still have Village Idiot status? IMO he'd might qualify in the near future if he keeps things up. Or should we make a new category called "Dumber than Parrots" for those posts which, while not actually trolling, or attempts at deception etc, are just mind numbingly stupid?

So far Archinist has just been stupid.

I'm not aware of the mods here ever giving a title to someone who is just a moron. Every instance I can recall of someone being punished with a title has involved someone who was breaking forum rules.

[U.P. Cinnabar]

How do you post videos again?

Remove the "s" from the "https:" in the URL for the vid you want to post, after pasting the link. I had to experiment a while myself before getting the hang of it.

[Broomstick]

I don't know about the rest of you, but I've been noticing internet issues the past few days, from my domain homepage being down to other sites having problems to several attempts to load ransomware onto my computer (thank for stopping that, anti-virus software and firewall...) so it's possible there could be some problem out there we're not entirely aware of.

[U.P. Cinnabar]

I don't know about the rest of you, but I've been noticing internet issues the past few days, from my domain homepage being down to other sites having problems to several attempts to load ransomware onto my computer (thank for stopping that, anti-virus software and firewall...) so it's possible there could be some problem out there we're not entirely aware of.

Nothing on my end, with the exception of the forums taking their sweet time to load(and refresh) on a couple of occasions last week, but I chalked that down to the general misbehavior of php.

[Tribble]

So far Archinist appears to be either a child or someone who spent his entire life in a basement. Although I don't think he meets Hall of Shame material, he is rising up fairly quickly through the ranks... do we still have Village Idiot status? IMO he'd might qualify in the near future if he keeps things up. Or should we make a new category called "Dumber than Parrots" for those posts which, while not actually trolling, or attempts at deception etc, are just mind numbingly stupid?

So far Archinist has just been stupid.

I'm not aware of the mods here ever giving a title to someone who is just a moron. Every instance I can recall of someone being punished with a title has involved someone who was breaking forum rules.

Ah ok, maybe I was thinking of another forum lol. To be fair I could qualify due to my own ramblings, so I'll volunteer if we don't have one... every village needs its idiot, after all

How do you post videos again?

Remove the "s" from the "https:" in the URL for the vid you want to post, after pasting the link. I had to experiment a while myself before getting the hang of it.

Thanks for the help.

So, just to keep things interesting, let's escalate things a bit... for each scenario same things apply, except A) when the scenario begins you break both of your wrists B) when the scenario begins you trip and break both of your legs c) you break both your legs and your arms. Will that change how you approach things?

[U.P. Cinnabar]

My cell phone is set up to dial by voice, so dialing 911 in the first two scenarios poses no problem.

The other four still don't happen, for reasons I've outlined in my other posts upthread.

[Broomstick]

So, just to keep things interesting, let's escalate things a bit... for each scenario same things apply, except A) when the scenario begins you break both of your wrists B) when the scenario begins you trip and break both of your legs c) you break both your legs and your arms. Will that change how you approach things?

If I break all four limbs I won't be approaching anything, I'll be lying on the ground screaming for help and pain relief.

[Archinist]

Okay, you also have to remember that breaking a window with just a hammer is very hard work, and doing this hard work will cause to require more oxygen, which will massively decrease your time to escape.

Also, online 911 calls would probably be much slower than normal phone calls, not to mention that even a standard phone call to 911 would probably take the EMS guys at least 15 minutes to arrive and 5 minutes to breach. So that's 20 minutes, I doubt you would last more than 5 minutes in the shed.

I think we've discussed the first 6 episodes enough, time for something new and fresh.



However, I have another scenario, a much more fantasy-oriented scenario this time. It takes place in the fictional Until Dawn (videogame) snowy mountains, but different.

The year is in the extremely distant and unlikely future of 2017, and you are hanging out with all 35 of your exceedingly wealthy friends and are heading to the snowy mountains which are the main setting in Until Dawn. However, you are not on a bus or a car, like the video game. Chad, your best mate, the one who organized the entire outing had brought along a new toy that he bought fresh from the local air force base for hundreds of millions of $, his very own MH-53J Pave Low, one of the most capable helicopters that had ever graced the U.S. air force!

The helicopter is not even demilitarized at all, and it still has full access to it's weaponry and a full stock of on-board ammunition. Occasionally, one of the more careless mates would fire a random burst of minigun fire on the abandoned forest down below, just for fun. Chad had also recently outfitted the helicopter with a massively powerful stereo system, which is so loud you forget you're even in a helicopter.

So, your are almost there, only 10 minutes left before the Pave Low hits the ground, the music is blaring so loud that everything seems to be absolutely still, there are dozens of heavy boxes everywhere as cargo for the trip, some of the mates are walking around aimlessly, yelling things and throwing bottles around and out. The pilot, Ben is slightly tipsy and the Pave Low slowly swerves to and fro.

Finally, the chopper hits the LZ, spraying giant chunks of ice and dirt everywhere, and the mates all stumble out of the helicopter, carrying beer bottles and cargo crates. Since the LZ is only a few meters away from the house, it is not a long walk. For some reason, Chad also hired some 20 armed security guards to keep everyone safe, and in the distance you spot them arriving in their armoured carriers. A MH-3 little bird flies over the house low, and circles around a few times before fading away, probably some of the guard's fancier equipment.

Anyway, you and the mates eventually haul most of the cargo out to the mountain home, they throw a great party, everyone has a great time, and later on you retreat to bed, but suddenly you hear Chad talking in loud, but trying-to-be-quiet voice, to the guards over a radio. You can hear hurried whispers over the radio, running sounds, yelling and what sounds like gunfire. You barely hear Chad saying something about a "critical danger" and something about the mountains before you pass out on your bed. However, when you awaken, something is a bit odd, you can feel it.

You wander around the house, calling out your mate's names, checking their bedrooms and wondering where they've gone. At first you think it's nothing, they've probably just snuck off to a secluded area with their women, but then when you reach the main room, you are horrified to see a mixture of empty bullet casings, blood splatters and the rare empty gun laying on the floor. Upon reaching the bottom floor, you can see faint traces of a attempt to barricade a room, but something appears to have ripped through the barricade from the outside and inside the room, blood and a body of a guard you did not know.

All the windows are smashed, and snow and wind is pouring in from the windows. However, there are also terrible, haunting howling sounds coming from somewhere on the mountainside, something belonging to neither man nor wolf. Outside the house lie two bodies, one being a mate you didn't like too much, and the other -- a security guard. You are horrified by the state of the bodies, who have been torn apart by something.

Looking out to a far, but not too far side on the mountains lays somewhere small, metallic, sharp and somewhat crumpled. After musing on it for a while, you realise it must be the MH-3 chopper you saw earlier, now it's crashed and ruined in the woods. You cautiously walk out to the Pave Low, but upon arrival you can see it's tightly locked, there is no way to can enter. You know that Mark would have the keys, and you remember him saying he was going out to explore the mountain mines with Chad and two security guards, just in case they ran into a bear or something.

You think of the APCs the guards arrived in. They required biometric evidence of the guard commander to enter, so unless you are going to chop off the commander's eyes and hands and bring them back, there's no way you're escaping like that. You know that before the trip, Chad had planned the main security HQ to be somewhere near the old asylum on the mountain, so that's most likely where the security chief would be.

There is a satellite near the Pave Low, but unfortunately it requires a battery pack to operate, without the satellite there is no phone/internet access. For some reason, someone removed the battery pack and put it away somewhere. There is a note attached to the sat. dish saying "Left batt. at old mount shack, xxx Ben" written in scrawled text.

What would you do here?

[U.P. Cinnabar]

Okay, you also have to remember that breaking a window with just a hammer is very hard work, and doing this hard work will cause to require more oxygen, which will massively decrease your time to escape.

One, maybe two good blows with any hammer except the smallest and cheapest ones will shatter a side window easy. Not much oxygen expended, especially, when fresh air is just a hammer blow away.

Of course, I wouldn't park my car in anyone's garage, and I leave my driver's side window down, unless it's hellishly cold outside(claustrophobic).

[Simon_Jester]

Okay, you also have to remember that breaking a window with just a hammer is very hard work, and doing this hard work will cause to require more oxygen, which will massively decrease your time to escape.

Exactly how tough do you think a glass window is? Glass shatters.

Also, online 911 calls would probably be much slower than normal phone calls, not to mention that even a standard phone call to 911 would probably take the EMS guys at least 15 minutes to arrive and 5 minutes to breach. So that's 20 minutes, I doubt you would last more than 5 minutes in the shed.

ALL 911 calls are taken dead seriously and EMS arrives as fast as humanly possible. That is why it is illegal to call them when you don't need them. And if you have accurately represented the problem to them, it will not take them five minutes to break into a garage. They will come ready, and competent men who know what the heck they're doing, with useful tools, will make short work of any garage door.

However, I have another scenario, a much more fantasy-oriented scenario this time. It takes place in the fictional Until Dawn (videogame) snowy mountains, but different.

Uhoh.

The year is in the extremely distant and unlikely future of 2017, and you are hanging out with all 35 of your exceedingly wealthy friends and are heading to the snowy mountains which are the main setting in Until Dawn. However, you are not on a bus or a car, like the video game. Chad, your best mate, the one who organized the entire outing had brought along a new toy that he bought fresh from the local air force base for hundreds of millions of $, his very own MH-53J Pave Low, one of the most capable helicopters that had ever graced the U.S. air force!

Military hardware is not for sale. They would not sell the ammunition.

it would have been much better for you to just say "you are flying to the area in a fully armed attack helicopter" and NOT SAY why, rather than coming up with a stupid thing that requires the Air Force to be stupid and sell an attack helicopter to a bunch of random chavs.

Honestly, people with billions of dollars to play with who could conceivably buy their own attack helicopters IF they were to sale... Not only do they not act like random chavs, but they don't have friends who act like random chavs. Because such friends are a liability. They get you in trouble. They could get you hurt. People smart enough to pile up that much money are not also stupid enough to associate with idiot chavs who fire machine guns at the wilderness for no reason.

The helicopter is not even demilitarized at all, and it still has full access to it's weaponry and a full stock of on-board ammunition. Occasionally, one of the more careless mates would fire a random burst of minigun fire on the abandoned forest down below, just for fun. Chad had also recently outfitted the helicopter with a massively powerful stereo system, which is so loud you forget you're even in a helicopter.

Helicopter engines are loud enough to make you deaf if you don't wear hearing protection. A stereo loud enough to drown out the engine will make us extra deaf. We will remember that everyone is now extra deaf because of the stupidity of the stereo system.

Also, randomly firing weapons into the forest negligently is illegal and if anyone finds out people are going to jail. Also it may attract the Air Force's attention in which case we will be eating missile soon.

So, your are almost there, only 10 minutes left before the Pave Low hits the ground, the music is blaring so loud that everything seems to be absolutely still, there are dozens of heavy boxes everywhere as cargo for the trip, some of the mates are walking around aimlessly, yelling things and throwing bottles around and out. The pilot, Ben is slightly tipsy and the Pave Low slowly swerves to and fro.

The helicopter pilot has been drinking? That is also illegal. I would not ride in a helicopter whose pilot has been drinking. I would also not ride in a helicopter with people who are drunk and playing with explosives. Ammunition is a kind of explosives.

Anyway, you and the mates eventually haul most of the cargo out to the mountain home, they throw a great party, everyone has a great time, and later on you retreat to bed, but suddenly you hear Chad talking in loud, but trying-to-be-quiet voice, to the guards over a radio. You can hear hurried whispers over the radio, running sounds, yelling and what sounds like gunfire. You barely hear Chad saying something about a "critical danger" and something about the mountains before you pass out on your bed. However, when you awaken, something is a bit odd, you can feel it.

Since I am extra deaf, I do not hear any of this, and I do not wake up, nor do any of us, unless one of the guards shakes Chad awake and uses sign language or waves a letter in his face or something.

The scenario is now too stupid, and I have lost interest.

[Archinist]

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About the sound system, umm let's just say that you're all wearing hearing protection, and you and everyone else has naturally well-covered ear drums, where the canal is filled with material to decrease the sound waves coming in.

There are plenty of extremely wealthy people who still like to go outback and have some "good ol' fun". Maybe not by playing with military hardware and explosives, but that DOES happen actually quite a lot in movies, and I mean Until Dawn has magical phantoms and secret underground overrun bases. It's not exactly true-to-life, right?

The pilot was not drunk when you took off, and when you were sober you expected him to be responsible enough to not drink while flying, but apparently not. You don't say anything when he does this because that might be extremely dangerous.

Also, car window glass is supposed to be shatter-resistant, and there would be limited space in a small, tight garage to break it open. I am not deliberately trying to force everyone into a certain scenario anyway.

Most EMS squads still take at least 10 minutes to arrive, especially if they are dealing with other callers and have limited resources. They cannot arrive instantly.

Also, it's not really an attack helicopter, at least I wouldn't call it an attack helicopter. I thought it was more of a rescue-carrier vehicle.

[U.P. Cinnabar]

, it will not take them five minutes to break into a garage.

Because firefighters and EMTs carry axes, which can chop through garage doors(most are thin sheet metal at best). I don't know if the police do on a regular basis.

[Archinist]

, it will not take them five minutes to break into a garage.

Because firefighters and EMTs carry axes, which can chop through garage doors(most are thin sheet metal at best). I don't know if the police do on a regular basis.

They still have to get all their own equipment ready, so they don't die/get harmed from exposure from the gases, amonsty other precautions.

[U.P. Cinnabar]

About the sound system, umm let's just say that you're all wearing hearing protection, and you and everyone else has naturally well-covered ear drums, where the canal is filled with material to decrease the sound waves coming in.

That would be one hell of an earwax buildup. Enough, more than likely, to require medical attention beforehand.

There are plenty of extremely wealthy people who still like to go outback and have some "good ol' fun". Maybe not by playing with military hardware and explosives, but that DOES happen actually quite a lot in movies, and I mean Until Dawn has magical phantoms and secret underground overrun bases. It's not exactly true-to-life, right?

Just because something isn't true to life doesn't mean it has to abandon any pretense of making sense. This is amongst the many things you are failing to comprehend.

The pilot was not drunk when you took off, and when you were sober you expected him to be responsible enough to not drink while flying, but apparently not. You don't say anything when he does this because that might be extremely dangerous.

But, if he'd even drunk just one beer, I refuse to fly with him. If he's drinking while flying, the sumbitch is going to put the fucking helo down, ASAP, because I won't fly with a drunk pilot any more than I would ride with a drunk driver.

And, I don't drink.

Also, car window glass is supposed to be shatter-resistant

And, yet, it can be shattered. Because "shatter-resistant" is not the same as "shatter-proof," any more than "bullet-resistant" is the same as "bullet-proof."

Car window and windshield glass is on the other hand, designed to shatter in such a way that most of the resulting shards are not sharp. Yet people can cut themselves on car glass window fragments. Because "most"/= "all."

and there would be limited space in a small, tight garage to break it open. I am not deliberately trying to force everyone into a certain scenario anyway.

But, there would be plenty of room inside the car to swing the hammer. And, to reiterate, I wouldn't park my car in someone else's garage, assuming it isn't occupied by the other guy's vehicle/assorted crap, like most people's garages would be.

Most EMS squads still take at least 10 minutes to arrive, especially if they are dealing with other callers and have limited resources. They cannot arrive instantly.

First responders aren't just EMTs. You have firefighters and police as well. And, the 911 call is generally passed to the first responders nearest the location of the 911 call.

Also, it's not really an attack helicopter, at least I wouldn't call it an attack helicopter. I thought it was more of a rescue-carrier vehicle.

Incorrect. The MH-53 Pave Low is used to insert and extract special forces units. And, as Simon mentioned, it wouldn't be for sale, in the first place.

They still have to get all their own equipment ready, so they don't die/get harmed from exposure from the gases, amonsty other precautions.

Their equipment is within easy reach in their vehicle, and can be put on as they're approaching the scene, or as they egress the vehicle. Because, they're trained to do that.

[Lord Revan]

Just don't.

You're still not getting Simon's point, which is that military hardware is so heavily restricted and expensive that pretty much anyone who can afford them will not act like a bunch of chavs. Also any responce to "rogue bird" will be to confront them and if they don't stand down or submit a flight plan, shoot them down, oh and before anyone brings up 9/11 those planes did submit a flightplan, it's just that terrorist didn't follow that flightplan and it took time for the autorities to react.

Just ask Broomstick what would happen in Air Traffic Controller detected a "rogue bird" (aka a plane with no known flight plan), she would know as she used to fly planes.

As for EMT/Firemen/what ever, at least where I live and about pretty anywhere in the civilizied world, firemen keep their gear ready to go since even a short delay can mean the difference between a saved life and calling for bodybags.

IIRC most modern firestations have their break rooms on the first floor as close to the fire engines as possible since running down stairs (not casually walking, running as fast as you can) is consired to be "too slow" and the poles old firestations had are considered to be too dangerous to use.

[Archinist]

Well, according to at least 5 different sources from a quick google search, including the manufacturer's site, the pave low is a TRANSPORT/lifting helicopter, not an attack helicopter. Just because it can carry men with guns and glowing green eyes doesn't suddenly mean it's an attack helicopter.

I say EMS because it's easier to say and in this case actually does include emergency medicals. I am aware that there will be other groups arriving on the scene. But still, it's going to take at least 10 minutes for the actual physical vehicle to actually get there and drop the people off. They can't just teleport there.

The idea is that you are his best mate, and since he usually puts his best friends before himself, he parked his car and stuff outside, and made space for you. Or maybe it's an elaborate plot by a mysterious group of assassins who want you dead for some reason?

It is still very difficult to smash open a car window, especially in a panicky situation with your mental and physical strength diminished.

How will you force the pilot to land the helicopter? He could shoot you or toss you out of the aircraft or crash the helicopter intentionally. FYI let's say he's a stereotypical drunken Russian man with a thick beard.

Just don't.

You're still not getting Simon's point, which is that military hardware is so heavily restricted and expensive that pretty much anyone who can afford them will not act like a bunch of chavs. Also any responce to "rogue bird" will be to confront them and if they don't stand down or submit a flight plan, shoot them down, oh and before anyone brings up 9/11 those planes did submit a flightplan, it's just that terrorist didn't follow that flightplan and it took time for the autorities to react.

Just ask Broomstick what would happen in Air Traffic Controller detected a "rogue bird" (aka a plane with no known flight plan), she would know as she used to fly planes.

As for EMT/Firemen/what ever, at least where I live and about pretty anywhere in the civilizied world, firemen keep their gear ready to go since even a short delay can mean the difference between a saved life and calling for bodybags.

IIRC most modern firestations have their break rooms on the first floor as close to the fire engines as possible since running down stairs (not casually walking, running as fast as you can) is consired to be "too slow" and the poles old firestations had are considered to be too dangerous to use.

Who said the Pave is taking off from a runway? It's not. It was delivered to someone's back yard in a isolated house worth dozens of millions in the middle of nowhere. The back yard is certified by (???) for safe take offs and landings, but there are sure no ATCs within range. Then they all met there, all the friends, synced their position with the guards's APCs and took off, heading for some equally isolated mountains with magical spirits in them.