1 10th level Wizard vs Hogwarts

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2003-07-12 03:47pm

Oh thats right... low hit dice... they die....

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2003-07-12 05:04pm

Oh how aful this would be a at a quidage game...

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2003-07-12 05:05pm

edit: awful

Yogi · Post by **Yogi** » 2003-07-12 09:11pm

Alyrium Denryle wrote:How thick is your wall of ignorance? FREEDOM OF MOVEMENT MAKES ONE IMMUNE TO STUNNING, PARALYSIS, PETRIFICATION, AND HOLD EFFECTS!

Does it also make one immune to a haymaker from a bodybuilder, since that's what stunning does. It just shoots a blast of force that knocks out the target. In D&D terms, it dishes out lots of subdual damage.

Besides, there's various dispell magic spells.

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2003-07-12 09:20pm

Please provide a description of the spell... as I have not had the opportunity to see it in action... and how common is it.

Your wall of ignorance is rather thick.

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2003-07-12 09:20pm

And while I am at it... how much subdual damage?

Eframepilot · Post by **Eframepilot** » 2003-07-13 12:03am

The Stunning spell (or Stupefying Charm) takes the form of a jet of red jet. On contacting the body of a living creature, the target is rendered unconscious. Any competent wizard (and many students) can cast Stunners; it is the most common offensive spell used. The effects of Stunners are cumulative. One will knock out a human. Two can subdue a giant spider. Four at once can critically injure or kill a human. Eight can subdue a large dragon, despite the natural magical resistance of the dragon's hide. The target is not merely stunned in the Street Fighter II sense; it is rendered truly unconscious. This fits the definition of subdual damage very well.

The amount of subdual damage is unknown, as the books oddly have no numerical information. But a single Stunner has always been capable of knocking out any human, and two Stunners have knocked out a very dangerous giant spider (with HP presumably much greater than the average human). Also, there is some real damage done, as shown by the fatal effect of multiple Stunners.

There is one other curse guaranteed to be effective. Wormtail killed thirteen (non-magical) people at once with a single curse that blew up most of a street. As Wormtail is not a very competent wizard, this curse will likely be readily available to the staff of Hogwarts. Considering these can be produced every couple of seconds ad infinitum, this will cause problems for any attacking AD&D style mage.

Solauren · Post by **Solauren** » 2003-07-13 12:58am

You can't teleport into Hogwarts?

okay. I shall now replan my assault.

For some reason, I see hordes and hordes of animated undead. I could animate 20 Skeletons a day. (Animate Skelton, level 1, Mongoose Publishing's Encylcopedia Arcana Necromancy, Cast as 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th level spells) After 300 days, that's 6000 Skeletons. Guess I better relocate to a 3rd world country to get bodies...

And if you want to know how I am getting them in, it's called a Bag of Holding. Skeletons do not way alot. There orders going in are "next time you see an adult humanoid besides me, kill them. Knock out all others" It that is to much, it will be "Knock out any living thing you see, except me". I'll walk into Hogwarts and start dumping the bag out.

I'll come up with a better idea later.

Can I do the idea using an Epic level wizard of about 30th level? (evil grin)

Eframepilot · Post by **Eframepilot** » 2003-07-13 01:55am

Hmm... skeletons should be easily destroyable with the Reductor Curse, which can blast apart solid objects. Thus every wizard in Hogwarts capable of it is carrying the equivalent of a double-barreled shotgun with infinite ammunition and no need to reload. Dumbledore could probably take out all of the skeletons by himself.

The Epic 30th level wizard - ouch. No contest. The only strategy would be to hear a prophecy about the total annihilation coming and hide in the Muggle world, though the wizard could probably destroy all of Great Britain anyway. Hey, maybe he could stop the SSD from the other thread.

Typhonis 1 · Post by **Typhonis 1** » 2003-07-13 03:23am

If its a black mage horror of horrors he would use Janeway porn on them or cast delayed blast firebal and then use an illusion to make it look like a golden snitch then tosss it into a quiddich match

PrinceofLowLight · Post by **PrinceofLowLight** » 2003-07-13 03:37am

Quick question: What species is the mage? The various attributes (Elven sleep resistance sticks out from all these stunning spells) could have a big effect.

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2003-07-13 03:42am

The Stunning spell (or Stupefying Charm) takes the form of a jet of red jet. On contacting the body of a living creature, the target is rendered unconscious. Any competent wizard (and many students) can cast Stunners; it is the most common offensive spell used. The effects of Stunners are cumulative. One will knock out a human. Two can subdue a giant spider. Four at once can critically injure or kill a human. Eight can subdue a large dragon, despite the natural magical resistance of the dragon's hide. The target is not merely stunned in the Street Fighter II sense; it is rendered truly unconscious. This fits the definition of subdual damage very well.

Ok... a simple shield spell shoud defend against that if it has to hit the target....

Mage cast invisibility...

Mage flys to Dumbledors window(if he has one, if not he casts blink and goes in... suprises and kills Dumbledor... lather... rinse... repeat.. using Rope trick as many times as is necessary... with the other instructors.. then as the little children gather around to mou their teachers.... Hit them with a cloudkill....

Solauren · Post by **Solauren** » 2003-07-13 11:07am

Also, it depends on the 10th level wizard in question, and his spell resources as well, combined with the magical defenses at Hogwarts, and what Dumbledorf has on him, if any.

(It's nice to know that most people are not disagreeing that a 30th level Epic Wizard would trash Hogwarts at least.)

I mean, if this wizard had access to all the resources in my D20 library (working full time has it's advantages for buying books), and some research on Hogwarts, they are so screwed.

Also, can the wizard gather resources from various D&D worlds? Like oh, a few Landsharks? A Dracolisk or three? A bunch of Half-Red Dragon Kobold Sorcerors? A Beholder?

Was he always 10th level, or did he drop in levels making stuff for his assault? How much time does he have to prepare for the assault? Can he build a few dozen or more Simulacra Mockery (or Perversions) constructs from Encyclopedia Arcana: Constructs? (need to be 8th level and 10th level respectively to build them).

Or can he do the real cheap ass trick of teleporting a few hundred pounds of high powered impact explosives over Hogwarts and just dropping it on them?

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2003-07-13 02:44pm

Using tensers floating dik, covering it with alhemists fire, naptha and other inccendiary STUFF and sending toward hogwarts... castin Tashas hideous laughter on the instructors leaving the students defensless...

Solauren · Post by **Solauren** » 2003-07-13 10:27pm

Wait until Hagrets is alone, cast Dominate Person, give him a explosive with a remote detonator switch, have him get close to Dumbledorf, and press the button and kill two birds with one stone.

Yogi · Post by **Yogi** » 2003-07-14 06:02pm

First of all, it is a basic rules in vs. matches that both sides know the other is coming ( http://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic.php?t=7529 ). Hence the "kick down the door" tactic involved the population of Hogwarts knowing that 10th level just kicked down the door. If the mage is going to try to be sneaky, then the Hogwarts population knows that the mage is coming, though they don't know how. That means that the Hogwarts people get as much time to prepare for the mage's coming, as the mage has preparing his plan.

This means that the students all retreat to secure locations, wards are set, Snape gets out his collection of contact poisions, the Maurauder's Map gets pulled out and Harry cloaks etc. etc.

In essence, if they know he's coming, it gets much harder for him. How much time they get depends on how complex the plan is.

Yogi · Post by **Yogi** » 2003-07-14 06:03pm

Oh, I almost forgot. It turns out that the Stunning spell isn't the one that does subdual damage. It's the disarming spell that was once used to knock someone out with a massive wave of force. Doesn't matter, since both of them are one word spells anyway (just replace Stunning with Disarming)

Exonerate · Post by **Exonerate** » 2003-07-14 07:52pm

Yogi wrote:Oh, I almost forgot. It turns out that the Stunning spell isn't the one that does subdual damage. It's the disarming spell that was once used to knock someone out with a massive wave of force. Doesn't matter, since both of them are one word spells anyway (just replace Stunning with Disarming)

Actually, McGonagall took 4 stunner, and was in life-threatening condition.

Seal Hogwarts... Unbreakable charms on everything, and other countermeasures to prevent picking through them, etc.

We know that at least average wizards can do spells without incantations. Quirrel was even capable of doing a curse to kill a person without his wand (First book)

Dumbledore can see through invisibility. Moody's mad eye can too, and with preparation, I'm sure there are other ways to enable one to spot invisible people. Harry's map allows him to keep track of where everybody is; invisible or not.

There's still the killing curse. We know that people at Auror level can cast them. Although most of the students won't be able to, I expect members of the staff could.

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2003-07-14 07:59pm

Yogi wrote:First of all, it is a basic rules in vs. matches that both sides know the other is coming ( http://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic.php?t=7529 ). Hence the "kick down the door" tactic involved the population of Hogwarts knowing that 10th level just kicked down the door. If the mage is going to try to be sneaky, then the Hogwarts population knows that the mage is coming, though they don't know how. That means that the Hogwarts people get as much time to prepare for the mage's coming, as the mage has preparing his plan.

This means that the students all retreat to secure locations, wards are set, Snape gets out his collection of contact poisions, the Maurauder's Map gets pulled out and Harry cloaks etc. etc.

In essence, if they know he's coming, it gets much harder for him. How much time they get depends on how complex the plan is.

However, the scenario listed... Means that they do not know he is coming... it is part of the scenario. what is he going to do, send them a letter? " Oh by the way, I am coming to get you" No....

Yogi · Post by **Yogi** » 2003-07-14 09:27pm

Well, if you want to play it THAT way, then the 10th level wizard knows NOTHING about Hogwarts and has to research everything from scratch, without getting caught. Plus, as of Order of the Phoenix, Hogwarts has one competent fotune teller on call. While some things are a bit hazy, "Possible Destruction of Hogwarts and Death of Dumbledore" will be a BIG blip on any pre-cog radar.

Exonerate · Post by **Exonerate** » 2003-07-15 02:21am

Yogi wrote:Well, if you want to play it THAT way, then the 10th level wizard knows NOTHING about Hogwarts and has to research everything from scratch, without getting caught. Plus, as of Order of the Phoenix, Hogwarts has one competent fotune teller on call. While some things are a bit hazy, "Possible Destruction of Hogwarts and Death of Dumbledore" will be a BIG blip on any pre-cog radar.

If you want to play that way, the mage will probably never find Hogwarts. There are all kinds of enchantments to prevent outsiders from entering it.

The fortune teller is always predicting death though. I doubt if another one would be worth much.

Steven Snyder · Post by **Steven Snyder** » 2003-07-15 08:20am

This is pathetic...

You people are talking about sending a trained combat mage to kill a school full of children! And then you sit there, smug in superority when you realize that a bunch of teachers and kids can't stand up to a battle-hardended mage.

This is about as fair as sending a crack soldier into a highschool, armed to the teeth, and then claiming it to be a challenge.

Hogwarts is a school! It is full of teachers and children!

The reason we haven't seen spells like Cloudkill and Lightning Bolt in the Harry Potter world, is simply because the story is about a school. Do you really expect the DADA instructor to teach children how to cast a fireball?

You want to pit a 10th level D&D mage against an equivalent Harry Potter world combat mage, then fine. Of course we haven't seen many of them have we? And before you say Dumbledore, need I remind you that the aged Dumbledore is a school master, he does not delve into dungeons, he does not seek out dragons, he is not a combat mage, he is a former teacher turned headmaster of a school.

Unlike D&D, the world of Harry Potter is filled with spells that are not designed for combat. In this manner it is a bit more believable as a world than D&D ever will be.

Smiling Bandit · Post by **Smiling Bandit** » 2003-07-15 08:36am

Spoiler

If you give the DnD mage all the advantages, all the information, and all the magic he needs, masive stats, and then assume that all the Harry Potter spells are save-and-nothing-happens, and the age always makes his saves, then *duh* he wins. Hell, I could win.

Slartibartfast · Post by **Slartibartfast** » 2003-07-15 08:25pm

Alyrium Denryle wrote:And while I am at it... how much subdual damage?

As the Harry Potter novels probably state precisely, 2D8+1, with a penalty of -1 to save, except when wearing lead fabric or under the protection of a Spell of the Shining Hand. Doesn't work on tuesdays or days that are a multiple of 7.

Exonerate · Post by **Exonerate** » 2003-07-15 09:52pm

Smiling Bandit wrote:Spoiler
Not that Fortune Teller. They have a new, competant one on staff. One who realizes that most human things are not reflected in the future.

Yeah, but I don't think he can predict it accurately can he? Just the general things, like "Evil is coming back." and "Good will triumph." Centuars seem to concentrate more on the global scale...