Wong the tought that humans average reflex is ,5 seconds is rather, well false.
Take any reflex test on the internet. I bet you'll be getting far under the .5 seconds that you claim to be average.
In fact there were people that got an average reflex of .2 seconds. and divided by 40 is in microseconds. And thats done by lazy internet people just like yourself. Now imagine someone that actually trained for it. Like someone in sports, or how about the experts that play Tekken. Tekken runs at 60 fps, yet they're able to telegraph every move by looking for specific frames, aka 1/60th of a second. And they respond to that. And in case you missed a class of enginneering. 1/2=30/60 and 30/60 is > 1/60.
Also do the calcs for a tennis player reacting to a ball. In fact, here it is.
[quote=KK]The fastest male tennis players serve at roughly 150 MPH (67 m/s).
Tennis court dimensions:
The two players are roughly 78 feet (23.8 m) apart when the ball is served.
We’ll assume the server is in the center of the court, as is the receiver. The ball could be placed anywhere between the receiver and the edge of the court. That means the ball could travel between 78 and 80 feet to get to the other side of the court. Probably closer to 80 (24.4 m). We’ll just use 24 meters.
Travelling at 67 m/s, the ball makes it across the court in approximately .36 seconds.
Given that tennis players have a habit of returning serves, this means the receiver had to travel roughly 10 meters and then swing at the ball in slightly under .36 seconds.
You have to assume some of that time was eaten up reacting to the placement of the serve, but it was possible by reading the server’s body movement. So this means the tennis player was moving at roughly 28 m/s, negating the time that may have been spent processing the ball’s placement.
Note that Spidey is stated as 40 times faster than a human.
That gives Spidey a quick-burst speed of 1,120 m/s or 2,505 MPH. Which makes Spidey a little over MACH 3 in short bursts.
Special note: His webbing shoots faster than his own speed.[/quote]
So that covers speed. Now in that we could use that, or the reflex tests. In which the average human (a lazy bum) would get .2 seconds to react to whatever. But in actuality, those tests are slightly flawed in the sense do to the time it took to click the mouse button. And then having the impluse go from the brain to the hand to click on the mouse. Then the time of clicking the mouse. So in actuality the average human would actually average around .18-.19 seconds to react to something. This test also doesn't take into account people who played sports or Tekken who routinely react to fast objects. In which they'd probably average close to .1 -.15 seconds.
Now since I like to compromise (in which case you still complain about me giving unfair numbers), we'll use .18 seconds to react. divid that by forty and spiderman is clearly in the microseconds. or 0.0045 seconds to react. Then add in Spidermans "spidersense", and I doubt that the Jedi would ever land a physical attack on him.
Then there is also the examples of him dodging energy blasts and lasers that were going lightspeeds, and that could in theory (if we protrayed Spiderman in the same light as you protray Yoda), would give Spiderman lightspeed reflexes.
Its funny, for Yoda we use calcs that are superior than Yoda has ever done. Like moving starships, kinda makes you wonder why Obi when he was to capture Jango Fetet alive didn't just TK his ship to stay on the planet, or keep Jango from even entering the ship. But I guess Wong would call that a "plothole", a word which he doesn't even know the meaning of by judging what he called a plothole in his listing of so called plotholes in the movie "Matrix".
And yes, the force pushes to those robots did seem to become "broken" from the fall. Or else why wasn't 3CPO's internal devices destroyed by the Jedi when it fell? Or 3CPO's head for that matter. You think the Jedi who did the force push knew instinctively that this specific robot had a body made by anakin? Especially when the blasted thing was shooting at the Jedi?
Also you have heard of self defense right? Have you ever took a self defense class? you also must have heard of murder in self defense. Thus it is possible for a Jedi to hurt something if its in self defense. However to blantenly say that the Jedi will attack normally (as without provification) with TK to rip out a heart or the like is wrong. And is not self defense, which is what represents the light side of the force, but that is aggression, which represents the dark side of the force.
Nevermind the other obvious flaw in the basic art of running with the speed calcs, unless Wong is suggestiong that Obiwan glided across the floor while keeping his body as still as a statue.
For the highlander, that insults the fans of DBZ. First of all, this topic isn't even about DBZ. Second, we provided cannon prove that they generated and outputed more energy than over 1E37 joules of power. when Gokou when SSJ for the first time. Now if you want to complain, about the other sideeffects, go ahead. Do that in another thread, also keep in mind that what you complain about doesn't change the fact that they still did it.
Now back on topic.
Webbing should keep a Jedi at bay. However TK and precog would be their only defense around it. Even if the lightsaber cuts it, it cut it in half so theres at least one piece, if not 2 pieces of webbing that'll get their shoulder. And then slow down their movement with the lightsaber. Eventaully Spiderman would run out, but by then the Jedi should be fairly covered in it and doesn't have an hour to waste waiting for it to desintergrate. As by then Spiderman would have landed far too many punches and the Jedi would have lost.
BTW what TP besides something pathetic like mind control over ill willed creaters and "sensing" that a loved one is near have they shown? Have they shown anything on the level of Jean Grey? Or even Xavior? Or Martain Manhunter. Because as memory serves me correctly, the Jedi pale in comparison to those 3.
Since the lightsaber and TP are meaningless. All the Jedi have to rely on is TK. And as the topic clearly states, force choke isn't allowed. But since none of you can seem to read. I'll act as though it was allowed. Now asside from the fact that this is a common full fledged Jedi, and acts of aggression like Force Choke and heck even force lightning (care to show an instance of a Jedi creating a force lightning?) shouldn't even be considered as those are Sith type things to do. So all a Jedi can really do is make Spiderman float in the air (with concentration), or push him away. Or temperarily choke him til he is KOed but not til he kills him. Or perhaps hold him up into the air and use the lightsaber to cut him into pieces. Though then one would wonder why they didn't do that to Darth Maul, or all those robots... or the X-Wing or whatever. Maybe they can't concentrate on doing those two things at the same time. That would certainly explain a lot of errors that the Jedi did (if you could do all that, then why do they fight as poorly as they do? Just lift the beast into the air and dice him like an onion).
As they lack the strength to even do any damage with a punch or kick. So thats out. So lets list the possible effective messures of combat for a real jedi.
Push opponent down, TK to keep opponent down, punch, kick, make them float in the air, and possibly flaot in air and dice them like an onion (however they're too stupid to do so, nevermind they'd have to get close, which increases the change of them being in range of the webshooters and then they get all covered in webbing). Choke them til they go unconcious and then walk away. And thats about it, with the only offense that they can muster that'll even be remotely effective. And only 2 of those ways would even be effective to use in a fight. Choke til KO, and the one that they never showed doing of floating someone up into the air and then dice them in the air. And in both of those cases, require concentration, concentration which could be easily broken. Like having your eyes covered in webbing, And if they try to remove it then they'll rip out their eye balls.
