Riddler Out for Batman 3

[Pelranius]

Maybe Alfred Pennyworth is actually Bulldog Drummond, a terrorist intent on restoring the British Empir?

My bet would be on Talia.

[xt828]

The reason that I was thinking of Scarface, and that Penguin would work, is that the gangland situation has played a significant role in both movies so far, and those are two characters who thematically work with gangland stuff. I could see them throwing in Catwoman now that they're done with Rachel Dawes, but it'd probably be in a way which would annoy many people. I wouldn't mind seeing Firebug as a cameo.

What strikes me when thinking about it, is how much of Batman's Rogue's Gallery is either silly, supernatural, or not really an enemy as such. I haven't kept up, but Penguin, for example, tends to be more of a supplier to villains, who informs on them after a few threats.

[JME2]

What strikes me when thinking about it, is how much of Batman's Rogue's Gallery is either silly, supernatural, or not really an enemy as such. I haven't kept up, but Penguin, for example, tends to be more of a supplier to villains, who informs on them after a few threats.

Chuck Dixon's revamp of Penguin in the 1990's was a godsend for the character. He works better as the cultured thug masquerading as a semi-legitimate businessman. Again, I'd love to see him and the Iceberg Lounge brought into the Nolan-verse. A Scarface/Penguin alliance also has potential.

[Whiplash]

Can they really use the title from the last movie in this one? The Dark Knight? The Darknight Rises? Superman Returns The Second Time?

lets not get sloppy.

Yeah, that kind of bugs me to. But in terms of titles all you had left was doing something with 'The Caped Crusader' and 'The Caped Crusader Rises' just sounds stupid. Can't blame him, but yeah its a bit redundant.

[Stofsk]

Are they going to send Christian Bale to a throat specialist? /dead horse beating

Anyway, 'The Dark Knight Rises' sounds stupid. Surely they could have come up with a better title than that, rather than simply 'take the title from the last film and tack on an extra word'?

[hongi]

Batman Rising/Rises sounds better to me.

Normally I'd be pretty nervous about the third in a trilogy sucking, but after Inception, I'm reasonably sure that everything that Nolan touches turns to gold.

[Crossroads Inc.]

Batman Rising/Rises sounds better to me.

Normally I'd be pretty nervous about the third in a trilogy sucking, but after Inception, I'm reasonably sure that everything that Nolan touches turns to gold.

Oh well NOW You've screwed it.

[Gil Hamilton]

Nolan has made some good choices with this movie so far, like opting not to shoot it in 3D and instead focusing on good cinematography rather than gimmicks. And "The Dark Knight Rises" isn't a terrible name, given that I'm sure there will be a good reason reflected in the plot.

However, I would have fingered the Riddler as the next villain, because you can give him the aura of menace needed for a "realistic" Batman story while maintaining the core premise of his character, that is, that he's a criminal who commits elaborate crimes and leaves clues that Batman has to solve in order to beat him. Plus, you can cast him as someone who isn't Jim Carrey.

The thing with the new Batman movies is that the villains tend to represent the dark side in the battle for the soul of Gotham between order and corruption. Like most DC characters, Batman's traditional rogue's gallery is pretty goofy and gimmicky (Nolan could never do a Flash movie in the same style as Batman). Once you discount the ones with freaky technology or a goofy premise or the ones that are fact giant reptile men, you don't have a whole lot. The Riddler was one they could get away with distilling out the character from the goofiness, but the Penguin? If you remove his gimmick, he's a generic crime boss that likes birds. Scarecrow only worked because his gimmick happened to match well with overall theme of the movies and psychotropic gases aren't THAT unrealistic.

Maybe Bane or Talia.

[Themightytom]

Can they really use the title from the last movie in this one? The Dark Knight? The Darknight Rises? Superman Returns The Second Time?

lets not get sloppy.

Yeah, that kind of bugs me to. But in terms of titles all you had left was doing something with 'The Caped Crusader' and 'The Caped Crusader Rises' just sounds stupid. Can't blame him, but yeah its a bit redundant.

Batman: Guardian of Gotham would follow the theme set in Dark Knight
Rise Of The Batman is a retooling of the Dark Knight Rises
or my tongue in cheek favor
"Batman: Ambassador to Darkness."

[Crazedwraith]

So its DKR? That's not going to be confiusing at all.

Also Dark Knight Rising doesn't sound like the third film in a trilogy to me. More like the first. People Rise in the first Act then have to crash and burn in the 2nd and gradually become triumphant again in the third.

Also, are there definite statements that it is planned as a trilogy? They're not just writing the film series to go on as long as it is popular?

[ray245]

Well, Christian Bale has a contract that requires him to be in 3 Batman films, but I'm not sure if Nolan has a similar contract.

[Falarica]

Damn no Riddler,

A Penguin thats not just a fat deformed maniac but a fat mob businessman sounds intriguing though.

I'd like to see a scene reminicent of that one in Psycho with all the stuffed birds as his intro. Some mob goon enters his darkened office to tell him some good news (Gotham mob open to takeover) but you never see the Penguin only his stuffed bird collection and "Waugh! Waugh! Waugh!" as he leaves.

Oh yeah, first post

[Jim Raynor]

I think they avoided the Riddler because the TDK's Joker already had ridiculous planning that involved lots of tricks and difficult situations. It's not the same thing as the Riddler's puzzles, but the Riddler is also not the completely amoral monster that the Joker is. They might have been afraid that Riddler would come across as Joker-lite. The movie is a blockbuster, and needs to not only provide a large scale threat but also increase the stakes. Ra's tried to wipe out the entire city. Joker couldn't achieve his level of destruction, but he still painted the town red and tried to destroy its soul.

I don't really like the title of "The Dark Knight Rises." But it's at least clear about the direction that the movie will be going in. I also thought that the third movie needed to emphasize Batman's triumph, after TDK called his effectiveness as a hero into question.

My idea for the villains was to have Talia leading the remnants of the League of Shadows, with a chance for characters like Bane or Deadshot to appear as mercs in her employ. Catwoman would be a thief who unknowingly steals a piece of tech that they need for their scheme, before helping Batman in the end. She would give the movie a famous villain to attract mainstream audiences. Batman's reformation of her could be used to highlight his success at achieving positive change in Gotham. However, this idea runs the risk of flooding the movie with love interests when Bruce should still be mourning Rachel's death.

[Nathan the noob]

I have an idea they could have Batman explore his relationship with his parents/ or at least have this be one of the key ideas of the plot. I like the idea of analyzing the Batman character, and his motivations. I liked how this worked out in the Dark knight and I think that this could work well I've we had some sort of strong villain.
candidates
-Riddler
-Batman's alter ego Tony- the arsonist
I could see this working out as the fact that batman was being chased down at the end of the 2nd film. We could then see Batman trying to work on his criminal connections and of course Tony dies and Batman avenges his death.

[Raxmei]

Crazy wild guess: Robin. Robin starts out as an antagonist making a mess of things in avenging his tragic origin story until Batman sets him straight. It could reinforce the ideas that make Batman the hero he is and introduce Robin in a hopefully non-hokey way. I'm pretty sure there's precedent for that somewhere in the comics.

[ray245]

I just hope that by the end of the third film, we can see Batman making a lasting impact on the city for the better. It's annoying to see Gotham getting screwed up again and again for years ever since Batman first appeared. In the Comics and in the animated series , it's questionable if Batman actually managed to turn Gotham into a better place to live in.

[Tanasinn]

The Penguin could definitely work, done right. There was a brief fanfic here where he was imagined as an ex-CIA spymaster with an eccentric manner of dress, hence the nickname. I hope they don't use Talia and I definitely hope they don't use Catwoman. Talia'd just be Ra's light and Catwoman's never been that impressive.

I figured Riddler for a shoe-in, but I suppose his gimmick being similar to Nolanverse Joker is a valid point against him.

[CaptainChewbacca]

The Penguin could definitely work, done right. There was a brief fanfic here where he was imagined as an ex-CIA spymaster with an eccentric manner of dress, hence the nickname. I hope they don't use Talia and I definitely hope they don't use Catwoman. Talia'd just be Ra's light and Catwoman's never been that impressive.

Dude, I remember that Fanfic, who was it that wrote it? It wasn't CIA, though, Penguin was a former MI6 director of Berlin.

[Pelranius]

I think Publius wrote that delightful little short.

[JointStrikeFighter]

Christ this thread is an exercise in fatty nerds completely missing the point of the fucking movie.

At the end of TDK batman is on the run; his public image is ruined, he is a criminal, everyone hates him for betraying them.

Even having a villain is stupid; the only 'villain' should be a faceless government agency [FBI, CIA, etc] hunting down Batman and how Batman handles this.

Tie into the existing thematic ideas of the Batman's enemies being representations of the dark nature of society [ps the joker represents anarchy] by making the government agency represent authoritarianism in their hunt for batman.

[Shroom Man 777]

So instead of gimmicky villains or post-mortem Academy Award winning villains or villains who become the stars of the movie because their angst and whatever become far more compelling than the supposed main character's, maybe the next movie will instead focus solely on Batman himself and the things he has to do to whatever, and will be a very character driven piece with him and him alone as its center? I can dig with that.

Hell, ditching the villain angle entirely, and focusing on Batman and Batman alone as he struggles to survive and whatever and deal with the consequences of TDK, if Nolan does this right, would be potentially the greatest Batmang movie ever. No villains, no gimmicks, no nonsense, just a movie that deals with Batman and only Batman. Damn, the implications makes my own tummy nerd fats ripple and jiggle with glee.

[Bakustra]

Christ this thread is an exercise in fatty nerds completely missing the point of the fucking movie.

At the end of TDK batman is on the run; his public image is ruined, he is a criminal, everyone hates him for betraying them.

Even having a villain is stupid; the only 'villain' should be a faceless government agency [FBI, CIA, etc] hunting down Batman and how Batman handles this.

Tie into the existing thematic ideas of the Batman's enemies being representations of the dark nature of society [ps the joker represents anarchy] by making the government agency represent authoritarianism in their hunt for batman.

There still needs to be a threat of some kind to force Wayne back into the suit, though. As of the end of TDK, he can just destroy/hide the evidence and leave things to Gordon and the forces of law. Hmm. Perhaps the hunt for Batman becomes more and more violent and oppressive, culminating in martial law/etc. That would force Batman to choose between giving himself up, letting the city suffer, or finding a way to redeem the Batman and get the forces of law to back off.

[Whiplash]

You guys are terrible at speculation. Just wait for a trailer, for the love god, just wait for a trailer.

Christ this thread is an exercise in fatty nerds completely missing the point of the fucking movie.

You had in your corner for a second.

[JME2]

Christ this thread is an exercise in fatty nerds completely missing the point of the fucking movie.

I'm 147 pounds, thank you very much.

[Batman]

And that ignores that one of the 'fatty nerds' is none other than the Batman himself.
I would very much like to see JSF's take on what the point of the movie is, given the movie is still in the making.