Elf Haters

CaptainChewbacca · Post by **CaptainChewbacca** » 2003-07-26 05:56am

The Duchess of Zeon wrote:
CaptainChewbacca wrote:In that world steel is deadly even in touch to them, so their weapons are sharpened bone and ivory enhanced with magic.
...Why don't they just use bronze, then?

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You just shut up and stop ruinning one of my favorite books, ok?

I dunno. Bone is cooler and there's very little copper in the Faerie realm. That's my guess.

Peregrin Toker · Post by **Peregrin Toker** » 2003-07-26 09:57am

Gil Hamilton wrote: The only problem is that the ponsy D&D elves go complain to their dangerous Celtic cousins

Except the Drow Elves, of course.

CJvR · Post by **CJvR** » 2003-07-26 10:11am

Yeah, you try and kick drow ass and they will chop of your legs and ram them down your throat - if they can get all their swords pointed in the right direction that is...

SAMAS · Post by **SAMAS** » 2003-07-26 10:30am

It's kinda hard to just say "Elves" anymore.

Do you mean the Poncey, arrogant High Elves?

The Naturalistic Hippie Wood Elves?

The Violent and sinister Dark Elves?

Or the Sci-Fi Eldar?

Mind you, that's just the Games Workshop versions.

Peregrin Toker · Post by **Peregrin Toker** » 2003-07-26 10:33am

SAMAS wrote: The Violent and sinister Dark Elves?

They're called Druchii!

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2003-07-26 11:55am

HIT-MAN, I wouldn't be too surprised if something as utterly sadistic as a seelie or unseelie is somehow related to you. It'd just make too much sense.

Anyway. IB brings up the best Elf quote ever. Elves aren't nice. BTW, it's from the novel Lords and Ladies, by Terry Prachett. You will go read this book. For it rules.

Post by **LadyTevar** » 2003-07-26 04:43pm

SirNitram wrote:HIT-MAN, I wouldn't be too surprised if something as utterly sadistic as a seelie or unseelie is somehow related to you. It'd just make too much sense.

Anyway. IB brings up the best Elf quote ever. Elves aren't nice. BTW, it's from the novel Lords and Ladies, by Terry Prachett. You will go read this book. For it rules.

The Queen of the Elves also makes a second appearance in the novel Wee Free Men, yet again showing how nasty they can be.
Fun part is that much of what's in the novel is taken from a painting by Richard Dadd called The Fairy Fellers' Master-Stroke. Sci-Fi Channel once played a movie based on this poor Victorian gentleman's life. In a time when seeing Faeries was popular, he claimed to have seen and danced with many of them. He was put on trial for killing his father after supposedly seeing one of the Faeries die at his father's hands, and spent the rest of his life in an asylum. Viewers of his painting have claimed it seems so real that they can feel the summer heat waving off it.

InnerBrat · Post by **InnerBrat** » 2003-07-26 04:57pm

LadyTevar wrote:Fun part is that much of what's in the novel is taken from a painting by Richard Dadd called The Fairy Fellers' Master-Stroke.

Yeap, well done for reading the author's note

Acualyl, just that scene - I'm fairly certain there were no pictsies in theta painting *shudder*

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2003-07-26 05:00pm

Gotta love Pictsies... Thrown out of Fairyland for being Drunk and Disorderly...

BTW, anyone else find the odd resemblence between the Queen in her Glamour-less state and a more modern creature of myth that comes from a strange land we can't get to, and takes people away..?

She's a Grey!

Spoiler in tiny type for those who haven't read Lords and Ladies..

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-07-26 05:05pm

I dislike a lot of fantasy elves because they're poorly written. They tend to become bad cliches about the wise and all knowing elder race or naturalistic eco-friends after a while. I was particularly annoyed at Blizzard for doing that in Warcraft 3 with the Night and High Elves.

Tolkien was one of the few to tend it right and unfortunately his definitions of the fantasy races became all to standard. Few writers since have done it right.

Utsanomiko · Post by **Utsanomiko** » 2003-07-26 05:41pm

Bah, Elves ain't got nothin' on Dwarves. Dwarves kick ass.

DPDarkPrimus · Post by **DPDarkPrimus** » 2003-07-26 06:12pm

Darth Utsanomiko wrote:Bah, Elves ain't got nothin' on Dwarves. Dwarves kick ass.

Only Dwarf ass. They can't kick high enough to kick human/orc/elf ass.

SecondStorm · Post by **SecondStorm** » 2003-07-26 06:21pm

DPDarkPrimus wrote:
Darth Utsanomiko wrote:Bah, Elves ain't got nothin' on Dwarves. Dwarves kick ass.
Only Dwarf ass. They can't kick high enough to kick human/orc/elf ass.

They can when they chop off said human/orc/elf legs

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Shortie · Post by **Shortie** » 2003-07-26 07:33pm

SecondStorm wrote:
DPDarkPrimus wrote:
Darth Utsanomiko wrote:Bah, Elves ain't got nothin' on Dwarves. Dwarves kick ass.
Only Dwarf ass. They can't kick high enough to kick human/orc/elf ass.
They can when they chop off said human/orc/elf legs .

Since we're doing Pratchett quotes, there's an old Dwarven proverb that goes something like:

"When his waist is level with your head your teeth are level with his crotch."

Tasoth · Post by **Tasoth** » 2003-07-26 10:28pm

DPDarkPrimus wrote:
Darth Utsanomiko wrote:Bah, Elves ain't got nothin' on Dwarves. Dwarves kick ass.
Only Dwarf ass. They can't kick high enough to kick human/orc/elf ass.

But thats when they whip out the boomsticks..

"Suck on blackpowder fugly!!"

lgot · Post by **lgot** » 2003-07-26 11:16pm

Tolkien Elfs are very good...
TSR elfs are so many and so steriotypes that is not fun...
White Wolf elfs..wait, Sidhe are not really elfs...If you talk about the celtic legends they are great, even if extremelly warlike mongrels...WW sidhes are those who fucked up everything but are also the changeling kiths they best developed and my favorites...At least, they are always useful NPCS...

SecondStorm · Post by **SecondStorm** » 2003-07-26 11:28pm

lgot wrote:Tolkien Elfs are very good...
TSR elfs are so many and so steriotypes that is not fun...
White Wolf elfs..wait, Sidhe are not really elfs...If you talk about the celtic legends they are great, even if extremelly warlike mongrels...WW sidhes are those who fucked up everything but are also the changeling kiths they best developed and my favorites...At least, they are always useful NPCS...

Mages, Vampires and Werewolves all make good NPCs.
Changeling do not IMHO. It simply doesnt make for good interaction between the various WW species.

lgot · Post by **lgot** » 2003-07-26 11:46pm

This is falsehood caused by changeling's market failure. I play WW for more than a decade and never had a problem with using Changeling among Garous, Mages and Vampires. Actually, it is a must have...
If there is a WW system with hard interaction is Wraith, not Changeling...

SecondStorm · Post by **SecondStorm** » 2003-07-27 12:05am

Well thats your opinion and your welcome to it

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Elves, goblins, gnomes, faeries "and stuff" simply doesnt fit into my World of Darkness.
Santa Claus and his elves can kiss my hairy arse

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Wraith can easily interact with 2 of the 3 main species of WW namely Vampires(Giovanni) and Mages(Euthanatos, Dreamspeakers and in some way Void Engineers).
But granted Wraith isnt the easiest to fit into the "big 3"

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Changeling simply doesnt belong to the world of either Mage, Vampire or Werewolf which also shows. Noone buys Changeling material(or Wraith for that matter).

I have great hopes for Demon the Fallen

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What a blatant thread-jack

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lgot · Post by **lgot** » 2003-07-27 12:20am

well, since 2001 around, White Wolf lost his better writters and they publish only bad stuff...

Now, Dreamspeaker, Fiannas (actually a lot of Garous are heavilly related to changeling stuff) , Malkavians are all easy to relate with Changelings...More easy than Giovanni- Wraiths for they actuall can not go in the Shadowlands and everyone can go in the dreaming...

Plus- Sluagh/Wraith is even easier for Sluaghs can just peek them...

Post by **Dalton** » 2003-07-27 12:21am

Pratchett Elves are right bastards. One only has to read Lords and Ladies to see that...

LT.Hit-Man · Post by **LT.Hit-Man** » 2003-07-27 12:24am

SirNitram wrote:HIT-MAN, I wouldn't be too surprised if something as utterly sadistic as a seelie or unseelie is somehow related to you. It'd just make too much sense.

Anyway. IB brings up the best Elf quote ever. Elves aren't nice. BTW, it's from the novel Lords and Ladies, by Terry Prachett. You will go read this book. For it rules.

Well what can I say it's bred in the bone.
I'll keep an eye out for that book, thanks for tell me about it

SecondStorm · Post by **SecondStorm** » 2003-07-27 12:45am

lgot wrote:well, since 2001 around, White Wolf lost his better writters and they publish only bad stuff...

Now, Dreamspeaker, Fiannas (actually a lot of Garous are heavilly related to changeling stuff) , Malkavians are all easy to relate with Changelings...More easy than Giovanni- Wraiths for they actuall can not go in the Shadowlands and everyone can go in the dreaming...

Plus- Sluagh/Wraith is even easier for Sluaghs can just peek them...

How many venture into the Dreaming? Not many. Ability is one thing. Actually doing so it is quite another.
And some Paths of Necromancy allows you to pierce the Shroud btw.

A cross-over Fianna-Changeling story was as easily done as a Giovanni-Wraith.
There have been more cross-overs product for Vampires-Wraiths than for Changeling-any other WW sepcies(have there been any at all?).

It all comes down to what public opinion likes and public opinon didnt like the WW-elves. That they didnt like Wraith as well was not surprising IMO. The market was already saturated and even more product kept coming. Changeling and Wraith simply fell short.

lgot · Post by **lgot** » 2003-07-27 12:56am

Actually, Everyone goes in the Dreaming. Only dead people goes in Shadowland. The same mage that can travel to shadowland can travel to dreaming. Malkavs or anyone with enough auspex level can travel, not just peek, to the dreaming.
Now, by the simple fact that Changelings do interact with real world easier than most Wraiths, their crossover is easier.
There is Rage Across Apalachia - A Gaoru/Changeling book, There is in Kindred Most Wanted a Werewolf - Ossian - who was kidnaped by Changelings, In Freholds there is a Frehold that was hunted by a vampire, One frehold that belongs to both Mages and Changelings, The Deziens of Dreaming book is related to the same event that destroyed (finished) the Wraith plotline, Fiannas are related to Sidhes in any book, the 3 books of house deals with Fomorians invasions - related to Garou stories - The Red Star Story is found in Changeling as well, Kyassid are still "related" to changelings and there goes...

Skelron · Post by **Skelron** » 2003-07-27 01:59am

SAMAS wrote:It's kinda hard to just say "Elves" anymore.

Do you mean the Poncey, arrogant High Elves?

The Naturalistic Hippie Wood Elves?

The Violent and sinister Dark Elves?

Or the Sci-Fi Eldar?

Mind you, that's just the Games Workshop versions.

HEHE and of course all of these do not fall foul of the 'No Shock troops' Arguement given before.

High Elves, Can everyone say Silver Helms, and Dragon Princes? Or the Spearmen, Civilian Levy, which spend fully a Quarter of their Lives training with the same unit....

Wood Elves yes they use archer's... Alot but Wardancer's are the very definition of Shock Trooper's, watch as they dive over your heads to hit your General, ignoring the cannon fodder screen.

Dark Elves... Don't mess with them, nuff said.
Eldar... Well they don't have Archer's being a Sci-Fi group.

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