What anime/comic/magic characters could defeat the Jedi IYO.

KK · Post by KK » 2003-07-01 04:48pm

Captain_Cyran wrote:
KK wrote:
Captain_Cyran wrote:
Yes, LUKE SKYWALKER, THE MOST POWERFUL JEDI KNOWN crushed an AT-AT, so therefore, EVERY jedi can crush an AT-AT.
I was being sarcastic.
Dumbass, you add to the end of sarcastic comments!

Meh. I hate using emoticons.

I've spent much of the last few days debating that Yoda and Darth Vader aren't valid representatiosn of the average Jedi, so I figured it would obvious.

KK · Post by KK » 2003-07-01 04:49pm

How does the force stand up to low-level magic?

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2003-07-01 04:50pm

Warriors just woudnt have a chance...ever...A mage on the other hand can defend themselves from such things(defensive spells are nice. And then unleash a wave of horrible destruction upon an armored Jedi...

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2003-07-01 04:51pm

KK wrote:How does the force stand up to low-level magic?

Roughly equal, better in places. The sort of magic one would get from an apprenticeship and nothing more is, quite often, inferior to a Jedi's abilities(No TK, no Precog, minimal firepower). Magic has a few tricks up it's sleeves, but generally ones needs a seasoned mage or one from a high-power setting(Like Netheril) to bring down a Jedi.

KK · Post by KK » 2003-07-01 04:52pm

Would you classify The Force as "Magic meets Psionics"?

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2003-07-01 04:53pm

KK wrote:How does the force stand up to low-level magic?

Depends...with the right spells...a 6th level mage could wipe the floor with a jedi. Fly, fireball... casts grace...levitation(no reflex save for you)

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2003-07-01 04:54pm

KK wrote:Would you classify The Force as "Magic meets Psionics"?

No. I would classify the Force as a unique form of magic. The main defining difference is psionics comes from within.. The Force uses an outside source. The primary differences are that the Jedi hold themselves to a superior moral code(So they don't get wielders sitting in towers ruling entire countries... Often), and seek philosophical happiness. Combine this with their superior technology, and they become dangerous to most.

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2003-07-01 04:55pm

KK wrote:Would you classify The Force as "Magic meets Psionics"?

Just psionics... There is an equivalent psionic power to just about every force ability...

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2003-07-01 04:57pm

Alyrium Denryle wrote:
KK wrote:Would you classify The Force as "Magic meets Psionics"?
Just psionics... There is an equivalent psionic power to just about every force ability...

Oh boy... The two biggest D&Dverse fans are gonna have a throwdown soon enough, at this rate.

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2003-07-01 05:04pm

That would be fun....

If it happens..no hard feelings my master.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2003-07-01 05:05pm

Alyrium Denryle wrote:That would be fun....

If it happens..no hard feelings my master.

Bah, since when do I take these to hard feelings?

Anyway.. Lemme find where the hell my magic calc threads are in OSF so I can copy them over.

Captain Cyran · Post by **Captain Cyran** » 2003-07-01 05:05pm

*Starts chanting* Fight, fight, fight, fight!

*Sees Nitram and Alyrium looking at him.* Ummm, I mean...uhhh...

Darth_Shinji · Post by **Darth_Shinji** » 2003-07-01 05:06pm

KK wrote:Would you classify The Force as "Magic meets Psionics"?

It seems to be Psions meet Parasyte Eve. They're ethier utlizion an exisisting bio-energy field or generating it threw midichrolins. Or a possible combination.

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2003-07-01 05:06pm

*looks at Cyran* Begone *casts teleport other*

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2003-07-01 05:07pm

SirNitram wrote:
Alyrium Denryle wrote:That would be fun....

If it happens..no hard feelings my master.
Bah, since when do I take these to hard feelings?

Anyway.. Lemme find where the hell my magic calc threads are in OSF so I can copy them over.

I remember that...calculated a lightning bolt at like...IRC ten tons of TNT

ShinjiGohan · Post by **ShinjiGohan** » 2003-07-02 04:04am

Drooling Iguana wrote:
Shinova wrote:I've always thought the Jedi/Sith > DBZ characters position was a bit flaky.

Sith apparently being able to crush brains, but then again, these are DBZ people after all. Also, Buu doesn't have a brain or any kind of internal organ.

So...yeah.
The difference is that Jedi/Sith have the ability to crush the brains of other Star Wars characters. The DBZ people have the ability to crush the brains of their viewers.

What difference? Piccolo lifts 3 pryimids into the clouds and begins a crack on the surface of the earth, all with TK, and which he promptly fixes the earth with TK.

And seeing the logic that some of the people have here, I could say the same thing about SW crushing peoples brains.

Another vs. Jedi thread? Are these people trying to prove some stupid point to themselves?

My intention was clearly stated. There is a vast gap in what people think would take to defeat Yoda, or a normal Jedi. Some say that SSJ3 Goku and Chou Gohan lose horribly to Vader and the Emperor, while others believe that Spiderman could take down a Jedi.

So god forbid we work together to try to get to a general consensus. Instead of having 19 pages of where one side provids arguments based on cannon facts and the other side ignores it saying that its impossible, or having these topics turn into flame wars.

SylasGaunt · Post by **SylasGaunt** » 2003-07-02 06:39am

Just for the hell of it.. the Saint of Killers.

Saint: Howdy.
Jedi: ...fuck.
*BLAM!*

Grand Moff Yenchin · Post by **Grand Moff Yenchin** » 2003-07-02 08:45am

>70% Hong Kong uber-kungfu-wank comic characters, their internal organs, veins are strong enough against Force Choke type attacks, not quite sure about their speed vs. Force precog, but their attack range and brute force are beyond a Jedi's reach, and this is before I mention those ridiculous mountain chopping weapons....

LordShaithis · Post by **LordShaithis** » 2003-07-02 09:03am

DBZ is the worst thing ever, and I can't believe there's a human old/intelligent enough to use a computer who's a fan of Sailor Moon.

Yogi · Post by **Yogi** » 2003-07-02 11:26am

GrandAdmiralPrawn wrote:DBZ is the worst thing ever, and I can't believe there's a human old/intelligent enough to use a computer who's a fan of Sailor Moon.

You DO realize you just insulted Spanky The Dolphin, right?

*Waits for the massive flames to begin*

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2003-07-02 01:06pm

GrandAdmiralPrawn wrote:DBZ is the worst thing ever, and I can't believe there's a human old/intelligent enough to use a computer who's a fan of Sailor Moon.

You, as usual, deserve the painful death that's about to begin when Phong finds this.

Grand Moff Yenchin · Post by **Grand Moff Yenchin** » 2003-07-02 01:25pm

"At least" the Headmaster of Otokojuku (Sakigake! Otokojuku ), this guy can survive in space with no life support and hang on NASA's space shuttle to return to earth, blow up a mountain in one punch.

Thunderfire · Post by **Thunderfire** » 2003-07-02 01:29pm

KK wrote:How does the force stand up to low-level magic?

The typical force user would be equal to a level 6-12 psi in
2nd Edition DnD.

Antie · Post by **Antie** » 2003-07-02 02:15pm

FOG3 wrote:Sailor Pluto (NOTE: all sailor scout as per manga not anime)
Sailor Saturn
Sailor Moon (can you say Ginzuishou?)

You can add Sailor Galaxia to your list, I think.

Yogi wrote:
GrandAdmiralPrawn wrote:DBZ is the worst thing ever, and I can't believe there's a human old/intelligent enough to use a computer who's a fan of Sailor Moon.
You DO realize you just insulted Spanky The Dolphin, right?

*Waits for the massive flames to begin*

GrandAdmiralPrawn insulted me, too. I will freely admit that I am a hard-core Sailor Moon fan.

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2003-07-02 02:23pm

Thunderfire wrote:
KK wrote:How does the force stand up to low-level magic?
The typical force user would be equal to a level 6-12 psi in
2nd Edition DnD.

I can find most of their powers...or an equivalent in the levels 1-4 power llist for a psion in 3rd edition.