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Does it say something that I'm more terrified of the fact that they'd be in high school than the fact that they'd become human?
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Zixinus wrote:Does it say something that I'm more terrified of the fact that they'd be in high school than the fact that they'd become human?
Seeing as either they'd be de-aged or the Equestrian age of majority is considerably lower than in multicoloured-human-land, I'd like to dream that they'd at least pretend to hand-wave it rather than ignoring it altogether. A freak-out on their part would be completely warranted. Particularly with Rarity: you just stuck a successful fashion designer and drama queen in a human(ish) high school. Cue meltdown.

Edit: and what adult(s) are they staying with? How does this even work? I'd better stop thinking here, 'cause I'm just digging a bigger hole.
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Wild Zontargs wrote:Edit: and what adult(s) are they staying with? How does this even work? I'd better stop thinking here, 'cause I'm just digging a bigger hole.
Could be some kind of boarding school that doesn't require uniforms.

Or maybe they crash with the Cupcakes? Or being 'Team Mom' is Luna's role in all this. :D

Anyway, I'm perfectly willing to give it a chance. Wonder if the voice cast will come over to this? I hope so. And at least some of the writers, though not enough to impact the main show. Unless they're going to pull a USA and have MLP be a "fall/winter" show with EG being a "spring/summer" show kind of deal.

That would be cool.
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I could give it a shot, just to see how it goes. Though the main concerns I have right now is how obvioulsy multicolored Rainbow Dash, Rarity and Twilight are. I can totally understand colorful hair but blue and purple skin? Eh...

Plus it's the Mane 6. I can understand if its a show about ponies coming to the human world but it would be nice if they had a different group of ponies to do it. Shouldn't be too hard to come up with a new set of characters, or even grab a few background ponies and let them have their own seperate adventure.

But, other than that, I'm interested in where this will be heading. I'm sure if Trixie is showing up, they can add all sorts of characters from the show... like the chagelings or other one-shot characters. I'm curious how they would handle a humanized Gilda or Discord.
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Rossum wrote:I could give it a shot, just to see how it goes. Though the main concerns I have right now is how obvioulsy multicolored Rainbow Dash, Rarity and Twilight are. I can totally understand colorful hair but blue and purple skin? Eh...

Plus it's the Mane 6. I can understand if its a show about ponies coming to the human world but it would be nice if they had a different group of ponies to do it. Shouldn't be too hard to come up with a new set of characters, or even grab a few background ponies and let them have their own seperate adventure.

But, other than that, I'm interested in where this will be heading. I'm sure if Trixie is showing up, they can add all sorts of characters from the show... like the chagelings or other one-shot characters. I'm curious how they would handle a humanized Gilda or Discord.
Yeh, I'm not sure how two shows with the same cast in different bodies would work. The only thing I can think of is the mane six appearing in the first episode and handing over to another group of characters in some way and then only appearing for cameo's and special events after.
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Rossum wrote:But, other than that, I'm interested in where this will be heading. I'm sure if Trixie is showing up, they can add all sorts of characters from the show... like the chagelings or other one-shot characters. I'm curious how they would handle a humanized Gilda or Discord.
How do you know Trixie is even showing up? :|

If you're talking about this, it's well known fanartist, nothing more.

EDIT: As for humanized Gilda, she has one of the best, most consistent looks of any fan humanizations, IMHO, but I'd like to see how fresh imagining would look, too.
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Fun stuff: Songs. The girls trying to fulfil each other's destinies. So many songs. Rarity solo. Celestia singing/godhood. Derpy showing up. Lots of continuity.

It was probably one of the better possible ways that they could have reached the 'alicorn conclusion', especially given that they only had 22 minutes to do it. For those who think it was too abrupt, I'd say this has the entirety of season three leading up to it, and at least according to Meghan McCarthy the first two episodes of season four concluding it. For those who don't like alicorn Twilight - I'm reasonably optimistic that season four will maintain the status quo of the Mane Six's friendship, which is the core of the entire show for me. Everything else I'm happy enough to wait and see.

Honestly, the only thing I really disliked about it was Twilight flying into the camera at the end. I don't really want to see flight becoming part of Twilight's character in the same way it is part of Dash's. (Dash teaching Twilight to fly could be a fun episode.) (Also the Miss America ads. Those were as tacky as the wedding ones.)
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Interesting episode, looks like we need to wait till season four to learn more. I'll be back with my thoughts on the last few episodes including the finale soon (hopefully I can catch a second viewing of the finale tomorrow). All in all, it's both more and less epic than previous season finales, remember Return of Harmony was intended for the season 1 finale.

Also, did anyone else see the Dos Equis style commercial for MLP. :lol:

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Irbis wrote:How do you know Trixie is even showing up? :|
Does anyone read the sources anymore?
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I was smiling from ear to ear! Wonderful episode, with the only noticeably weak part being the coronation itself. Songs! So many songs! "What My Cutie Mark is Telling Me" is the best song of the season. And the Event itself was very well done. Twilight said it best: everything is going to be just fine.
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Reposted from EQ
Okay the Season 3 finale is behind us lets look back it as a whole.

First note, it was not until I was reviewing this post that I noticed my first line was "Alicron's a Twilight", let me correct that now. So Twilight is an Alicorn and as far as we know it's for good. The question is if she is a winged Unicorn or a goddess in pony form. AKA is she Cadence or is she Celestia or Luna? The worst part story wise from this episode is the simple fact it's not a finale, at least not yet. What this episode is... it's setup. As in Season 4 will be about what? Well Twilight's an Alicorn and a Princess, are we going to get an episode about her helping Pinkie babysit the Cake twins for Pinkie or an episode about her using her Princess powers to invade East Eurasia.

And that's the take away long term from this episode. What is Season 4 going to do with this? This is not like a standard season episode or even a previous finale. Best Night Ever for example ended with them going to a party, they had a bad time but in the end enjoyed themselves the end. The Wedding by contrast we met Cadence and Liquid Pride I mean Shining Armor (I could totally buy that as a pony name), but at the end of that episode it was not Twilight who changed it was just another new set of characters and a great new villain.

This? This..... This is different. Twilight has fundamentally changed, for the better some might say... for the worse others would say. Either way she's a different pony than before and that should in the hands of a good storyteller change everything. If we spend Season 4 adjusting to new Twilight only for the Season 4 end game to change something totally different then I'd retroactively say MMC is great. But it's not addressed with, slowly over the next Season then MMC looks like a studio decision, and a dumb one at that.

Imagine if you will your favorite sitcom. Now imagine if one episode one of the leads on the show wins a billion dollars in a lottery and at the end of the episode they still have the money. Fast forward the only thing that changes during the next season is that character dressing nicer (They have a billion dollars after all) but nothing else changes. If they have work they still go to work, they still hang out at the same crappy bars and keep the same friends without much being mentioned. That's what MMC could end up being, the shark jumped moment... but that's only if it does not act on Season 4 and beyond as the fundamental change it is.

With all that out of the way let me say this. This episode itself was musically very good, I'm not sure if any of the songs will end up in my musical list besides the six part harmony but it's nice to see so much singing. Even if makes no bloody sense for Celestia to be bursting into song in the ether there.

I could go on about each part of the episode but as I've said several times... I'm more interested in the "what's next?" than the here and now of this episode. The what's next of course is... nine months away... Well....

....MMC succeeds in one important thing...
....I HAVE to know what happens next....
....nine months from now.....
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I'm going to call it right now. One of the early S4 episodes is going to have a plot where all of Twilight's friends talk to her less and don't go to her with their problems anymore because she's a Super Important Princess now and can't be bothered with the trouble of the peons. Cue everything blowing up, Twilight going around and fixing things with the help of everyone, with lesson being that just because your friend has changed doesn't mean they're a completely different person pony now.
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All that, and Gummy still didn't even give a fuck.

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I loved the episode, it was very enjoyable and showed great heart, emotion and character. Loved those songs, especially Twilight's sad song there at the end. And I am seriously pumped to see season 4 and what it brings to the table.

All in all a great episode. I'm perfectly fine with Twilight drinking some Red Bull. Eagerly awaiting to see the new dynamic.
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This smells strongly of "OK, that's a wrap, series finale is done. Wait, what do you mean 'renewed for season four?!'"
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I loved it and the becoming-an-alicorn fulfilled my expectations. It managed to be genuinely emotional and heartwarming without becoming cheap and trite. The becoming-a-princess bit was immensely rushed however. According to a Twitter post, that big bit of change still waits to be properly handled with two more episodes.
This smells strongly of "OK, that's a wrap, series finale is done. Wait, what do you mean 'renewed for season four?!'"
I wish I knew more of what goes beyond the scenes, but I don't think that the creators ever thought that a fourth season was a real question. Instead, I think it smells more of "oh crap, they told us that we have less episodes for the fourth season and we can't make the finale a two-parter!".
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Zixinus wrote:I loved it and the becoming-an-alicorn fulfilled my expectations. It managed to be genuinely emotional and heartwarming without becoming cheap and trite. The becoming-a-princess bit was immensely rushed however. According to a Twitter post, that big bit of change still waits to be properly handled with two more episodes.
This smells strongly of "OK, that's a wrap, series finale is done. Wait, what do you mean 'renewed for season four?!'"
I wish I knew more of what goes beyond the scenes, but I don't think that the creators ever thought that a fourth season was a real question. Instead, I think it smells more of "oh crap, they told us that we have less episodes for the fourth season and we can't make the finale a two-parter!".
I'd agree that the story would have worked better as a two parter probably structured a bit more like the first discord story.

Part 1, Much the same as the first half of the story, Twilight finds the cutie marks of all of her friends have been switched and gets to know more about the problems this is causing, angry ponyvillians, farm going bankcrupty, the boutique being closed down, animals on a rampage, weather problems, etc, there's time to have a few minutes interaction with each of the 6 and look more into the problems, ends with all the problems going to a head.

Part 2, Twilight hits the books and comes up with the fix, maybe a criptic warning from Celestial/Luna that doing this will change her life but Twilight deciding her friends are too important then the first 2/3rd of the episode is going through the fix, again it can be fleshed out a bit each of the 6 is unsure of taking back their old roles but grow into it. Last 5 minutes is then then change and corrination as per current episode.

To make space for the extra episode "Spike at you service" gets dropped most people seem to agree that that's the weekest story of this season.
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Oh crap, we have two episodes worth of plot and one episode to do it!

Quick! Do it all in song that will distract them from the lack of pacing!
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Oh for the love of.... Hasbro seems to have dictated the entire episode to the crew, and said "make it work."
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I'd say they made it work, personally. :)

It was a shortened season, and one where the crew were definately looking to take chances. And I think, overall, they made it all work. So I'm glad they're getting a full 26 episodes next season, with the slightly more serialized and status quo changing direction they're going.

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I think it worked great. Once again, it didn't feel like only a 30min episode. I didn't feel rushed, and I didn't feel like it was pushing it.

What intrigues me is the Spell. If Starbeard created it, it means he cast it once. It 'worked', changing destinies imperfectly. But he couldn't FIX it. Twilight did that, with a mix of knowing her friends well, and the Elements of Harmony. Completing the spell and fixing destinies is what made her "graduate" to Alicorn.

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LadyTevar wrote:I think it worked great. Once again, it didn't feel like only a 30min episode. I didn't feel rushed, and I didn't feel like it was pushing it.

What intrigues me is the Spell. If Starbeard created it, it means he cast it once. It 'worked', changing destinies imperfectly. But he couldn't FIX it. Twilight did that, with a mix of knowing her friends well, and the Elements of Harmony. Completing the spell and fixing destinies is what made her "graduate" to Alicorn.

Note: she reappeared in Ponyville at twilight.
Makes you wonder who's destinies he changed, given that no one but him would remember the previous universe and that he was around at about the same time as Equestria's founding (He was Clover's mentor (maybe)), should that have not happened?
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LadyTevar wrote:I think it worked great. Once again, it didn't feel like only a 30min episode. I didn't feel rushed, and I didn't feel like it was pushing it.

What intrigues me is the Spell. If Starbeard created it, it means he cast it once. It 'worked', changing destinies imperfectly. But he couldn't FIX it. Twilight did that, with a mix of knowing her friends well, and the Elements of Harmony. Completing the spell and fixing destinies is what made her "graduate" to Alicorn.
Franly, I find it amusing that you say 'it wasn't rushed' and then starting asking questions about the stuff we don't know because,get this, the episode was rushed.

Seriously the first part of this episode was really intriquing. The Mystery of the swapped cutie marks. What it meant for the mane six etc. Then we found out its just that twilight fucked up and one musical sequence will fix it.

Then she makes the same mistake of accidently casting the spell by saying out loud and boom alicorn princess.

Anyway, we they all supposed to have altered memories of never having a different cutie mark? What we heard them say before Twi fixed it was ambigious to whether they always thought they had those marks or whether they were making the best of changed destinys. And how did it work for everyone else who's destinys weren't altered? I mean the rest of the apples were still on the farm. Did they think pinkie was their sister? How was the placing doing so badly with mac and apple bloom their to at least try and pick up the slack.

So basic if Hasbro did dictate the entire plot of this episode, at least that explain why it was so bad.
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That seems like an awful specific plot to be dictated by the executives, don't you think? I mean, I can see them saying "Twilight becomes an alicorn so we can sell new toys. Make it so," but I can't think of any reason why they would have specifically wanted the cutie mark swapping storyline done.
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That seems like an awful specific plot to be dictated by the executives, don't you think? I mean, I can see them saying "Twilight becomes an alicorn so we can sell new toys. Make it so," but I can't think of any reason why they would have specifically wanted the cutie mark swapping storyline done.
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Zixinus wrote:Does it say something that I'm more terrified of the fact that they'd be in high school than the fact that they'd become human?
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