FaxModem1 wrote:So, what happened to this whole Sansa is the apprentice of Littlefinger they've had going since the season 4 finale? I half expected for her to have a dagger in one of her sleeves. Of course, that would require Sansa to do something besides being passed around like a plot device and do something. Princess Peach from Super Mario has more dignity than her, and she gets kidnapped every freaking day. Frankly, Sansa doing ANYTHING at all would be too much to expect from her, due to how ineffective and pointless she is.
She chose to go through with the marriage, given the choice not to at Moat Cailin, and surely she knew at some point she'd have to lose her virginity if she did marry. It would be rather disappointing for Sansa to have a dagger up her sleeve at that point if she were truly Littlefinger's apprentice. She could kill Ramsy, maybe - if he didn't kill her first, but what does that accomplish? As far as she knows Ramsay has never wronged her. Its Roose who she ultimately despises. She is patiently biding her time for the right opportunity, just as Littlefinger did for so long.
So, Olenna has both her grandchildren in chains. I wonder how her boob of a son Mace will react to this at all, considering how idiotic and weakwilled he has been shown to be. And since Tommen is so ineffectual and pointless at doing anything, I don't see his reign lasting long. Shame, as he seems a decent person, but as Tywin lectured him last year, it takes more decency to be a great king.
Yeah Tommen needs to grow a spine quickly, but I suspect that won't happen. Especially with mommy re-affirming his passive stance as being a "wise king".
Mace is unlikely to make it back alive from Bravos. Although, I expect that Arya will likely cross paths with Merryn Trant and he won't make it back alive either.
TheFeniX wrote:Preface: I get people are allowed to be stupid and arrogant. But things are getting a bit out of hand.
Where does the Queen in a prison cell fit into Cersei's plan to secure House Tyrell's ties to the crown? Best case, they can basically hold her hostage to force Tryell to continue to support the crown, ignoring the war that occurred last time they tried this with a powerful family. Same with Loras. Fanatics with chains and short-blades are not an army and Stannis is still running around with actual soldiers. Tommen has to look incredibly weak to the populace as they, you know, fucking love Margaery and hate the Lannisters. His backing down in public may have been prudent, but still makes him look weak. Same with allowing fanatics to run off with his wife.
Well I'm guessing Cersei's plot is as follows: Meryn Trant disposes of Mace (tragic accident, set upon by theives), after which time The Tyrells are confronted with obedience to the crown, or loss of their only two chances of furthering their line. And such a thing worked before - the Targaryens managed to hold Dornish loyalty through Elia Martell after all. So, it wouldn't be the worst plan in the world, if she had complete control of all elements as Tywin would have done.
The thing is, what's to stop the fanatics from executing Margaey and Loras? I mean, it'd make Stannis' march to King's Landing easier as the Tyrells join his cause, but I don't see what Cercei gets out of it except personal satisfaction.
She is still under the presumption that she can control the faith. Her plan is to hold them as the king shows mercy and commutes any death sentence to a prison sentence. Of course that was roughly her plan with Ned Stark... That's Tywin's words that she is "not as smart as she thinks she is" echoing true once again.
The whole thing smacks of hanging a rifle: Cersei has to know she can't muzzle crazies. It will blow up in her face. Tommen's the product of incest and she's a rather large player in said incestual dealings. There's still proof out there and even if not, making enough up wouldn't be that hard. And oh yea, Littlefinger is more than capable of handling shit like that on his own. I mean "he's got a birthmark" (I think that's what was said, the wife was saying something at the time) is enough to convene a trial.
The thing is she doesn't know she can't muzzle them. I believe she expects favor from the High Sparrow because of her gifts of arming the Faith militant, and making him High Septurn. And as far as she knows Littlefinger is a loyal subject. She also has the advantage of having lots of Lannister men in the capital, and ostensibly the city guard and kings guard to protect her and her son.
I like how everyone knowing things are going to go down in Dorne, 3 crazies are still able to get within stabbing distance of Myrcella. Why didn't Sandsnake #3 just kill her right then? What was kidnapping going to accomplish? Did they really think they were getting out of the palace alive with her? How did they think Trystane was going to react when his teenage crush is being kidnapped? Where they prepared to kill/maim him too? Thank God Jamie and Bron were able to just waltz in to the castle in their stolen uniforms and get there before the sandsakes and well before the guards who are supposed to be on... well, guard, otherwise sanity would have prevented decent swordplay.
It seems a bit rushed, but I think that's an unfortunate consequence of only having so much screen time. The coincidental cut to the chase saves us the cliche "stake out the palace, study guards, knock out guards, get inside" routine that would have been filler anyway.
Only thing I can figure that doesn't just put this all to stupidity for all parties is Doran let this shit go down to show any "war with Lannister's" people how fucking crazy Ellaria and her 3 stooges are. But I doubt he'd put the heir to Dorne and his son in that much danger. Or maybe the Dornish are to busy fucking and fighting to protect their capital.
It's possible the palace guards were simply complacent. Doran mentions to his bodyguard that he "hasn't swung his sword in a long time" and asked if he still remembered how. Its possible they weren't as alert at the palace as they should have been. But in any event, the fallout from this is going to be the more important thing.
I'm having a hard time continuing to feel empathy for Sansa. She's been kicked around so much, she's not coming off as a person to me, but an object I'm supposed to be emotional towards. I kept waiting for the violence in her life to turn physical and when it finally happened, I actually felt worse for Reek. Maybe that makes me a shitter, but you can't have a character exist just to get kicked around for 4 seasons and expect me not to be tired of feeling sorry for them. I mean really, what did people think was going to happen after she married Ramsey? Or was someone supposed to have stopped the whole thing heroically and saved the day.... in Game of Thrones....
She's had no power, and no allies either - surrounded by enemies since she left Winterfell in season 1. A tough base from which to build power. Arya has always had someone to help guide and or protect her (Syrio, NW recruiter, Jaqen, The Hound, Jaqen again), Sansa has had no one who didn't try to use her for their own ends. She's learned, and she is adapting. No longer as naive as she once was, but still with a lot of learning and hardships still to endure. Nevertheless, I feel like she's on the rise.
