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lgot wrote: no, it does not. This is HIS attack description. Next paragraph talks about BP when hit by weapons and they must make a save. And there there is no description of damage taken by the attacker.

Weapons do suffer damage. The tarrasques claws are just some kind
of weapon. The blackpuddings acid damage counts as energy damage
- energy attacks ignores DR.
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And weapons that strike the BP only dissolves if they fail in a Reflex Save 19...which means, The Tarrrasque does not dissolve because he WILL never fail the save.
Tarrasque is immune to the Black Pudding.
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lgot wrote:And weapons that strike the BP only dissolves if they fail in a Reflex Save 19...which means, The Tarrrasque does not dissolve because he WILL never fail the save.
Tarrasque is immune to the Black Pudding.
It still takes 2d6 acid damage. Weapons also suffer 50/20 damage
depending on the weapon type.
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No, they do not.
The BP only deals 2d6 acid damage WHEN THE BLACK PUDDING attacks with his melee attack.
"A metal of wooden weapon that strikes a black pudding also dissolves immediately unless it succeds at a Reflex save (DC19)" that is what is written in the Monster manual about attacks against the BP. NO ACID DAMAGE.

Now:
"The pudding secretes a disgestive acid that dissolves organic material and metal quickly. Any melee hit deals adid damage"
THIS is about Acid Pudding Attack, only when he attacks he does that.
Following the same line:

"The pudding's acid touch deals 50 points of damage per round to wood or metal objects"

The Pudding's touch , not who touches him. You see, there is two rules for weapons, one when he attacks the object (or when he grabbs the prey) that give50 points and one when he is attacked, the object makes the Reflex Save.

When Tarrasque is attacked the BP can not even hit him. So no damage.
When Tarrasque attacks, he only need to pass the Reflex Save (which he will) and there is NO ACID damage.
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Use common sense. Ask yourself why the weapon has to make
a reflex save to avoid distruction. You put your hand into a
blob of acid and expect that you don't take acid damage?
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Thunderfire wrote:Use common sense. Ask yourself why the weapon has to make
a reflex save to avoid distruction. You put your hand into a
blob of acid and expect that you don't take acid damage?
Is teh Tarrasque wood or metal, then?
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Use common sense. Ask yourself why the weapon has to make
a reflex save to avoid distruction. You put your hand into a
blob of acid and expect that you don't take acid damage?
You use the common sense. Why the weapons have a right to a REFLEX save and the Tarrasque does not ?
Oh, he does.
Why ? The reflex save is to mean that you hit and move away the weapons (and claws) fast enough to avoid damage.
Why do you get the 2d6 without save ? Because it is when the BP hits you, and the fact that he hit you does not give you the chance to avoid his attack, after all, your dextery and dodge bonuses are already in the AC.
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lgot wrote: Oh, he does.
Why ? The reflex save is to mean that you hit and move away the weapons (and claws) fast enough to avoid damage.
No you have to make a save to avoid total distruction.
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SirNitram wrote:
Is teh Tarrasque wood or metal, then?
Good question. Organic material problably. Organic material
belongs to the 50 damage group. It would just take 2d6 acid damage
like all other creatures.
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No you have to make a save to avoid total distruction.
oh, my god.
I QUOTED THE MONSTER MANUAL
YOU ONLY TAKE DAMAGE OF 2D6 when the BP attacks you.
You do a reflex save when you attack! It means you moving out to avoid damage, so YOU DO NOT TAKE ANY DAMAGE.

If you are going to keep saying that JUST POST where it says that when you attack BP you take damage. THERE IS no such thing.
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Thunderfire wrote:
SirNitram wrote:
Is teh Tarrasque wood or metal, then?
Good question. Organic material problably. Organic material
belongs to the 50 damage group. It would just take 2d6 acid damage
like all other creatures.
Given the amount of organic material other than wood, I would have thought they'd been more clear. Monks alone warrant that. However, an intelligent man would realize if attacking unarmed, the attacker gets the reflex save.

In short, this thread is devolving into a screaming match.
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