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Warner Bros. Discovery will not release “Batgirl,” either theatrically or on HBO MAX, TheWrap has learned. The $90 million project is effectively dead.

“The decision to not release Batgirl reflects our leadership’s strategic shift as it relates to the DC universe and HBO Max. Leslie Grace is an incredibly talented actor and this decision is not a reflection of her performance. We are incredibly grateful to the filmmakers of Batgirl and Scoob! Holiday Haunt and their respective casts and we hope to collaborate with everyone again in the near future,” according to Warner Bros. Picture Spokesperson.

Made under a previous regime, “Batgirl” was initially designed to be an HBO Max release, and then was being considered for theatrical distribution. Due to COVID issues and shutdowns, the budget ballooned to $90 million.

The movie stars “In the Heights” breakout star Leslie Grace in the title role of Barbara Gordon.

The leaders of the studio determined ultimately, in spite of reshoots and increased budget, that the movie simply did not work, according to insiders. The new owners and management, led by CEO David Zaslav, are committed to making DC titles big theatrical event films, and “Batgirl” isn’t that. Insiders added that studio brass loves the film’s directors and star, and are actively planning to work with them soon.

Warner Bros. Discovery is working to elevate DC Films to be seen on the big screen. “Batgirl” had not been scripted or produced as a theatrical film.

“Bad Boys for Life” filmmaking duo Adil El Arbi and Bilall Fallah directed “Batgirl.” The film also starred Michael Keaton as caped crusader Bruce Wayne/Batman. Last month, El Arbi and Fallah got great notices for directing the first two episodes of Marvel Studios’ “Ms. Marvel.”

Additionally, according to the Hollywood Reporter, “Warners has also decided to shelve animated feature “Scoob!: Holiday Haunt” which had a budget in the $40 million range.”

Batgirl made her debut in the Batman mythos 50 years ago as Barbara Gordon, the daughter of Gotham City Police Commissioner Jim Gordon. Since then, she has become one of the most popular superheroines in the world. When Barbara Gordon was paralyzed by a gunshot from the Joker in the classic graphic novel “The Killing Joke,” other crimefighters, like The Huntress and Orphan, took up the Batgirl name while Barbara became Oracle, a tech-savvy aide to Batman. Barbara later returned to the Batgirl role, while her assault in “The Killing Joke” was revised.

Filming initially took place in Glasgow, Scotland, from November 2021 to March 2022, and was in post-production. A spokesperson for the studio had no comment. A representative for Grace had no immediate comment.

The New York Post first reported the news.
It seems unlikely this movie really can be so bad that it's not worth releasing even on HBO Max. It's got Michael Keaton as Batman, it's got internet meme darling Brendan Fraser.

Basically there's a new guy in charge of DC movies and he's chucking out the initiatives of the old guard in the name of Cost saving but it seems anything not fitting his vision of what DC movies should be. The fact it's with a non-white lead actress is also making people a might suspicious.

It's extremely rare for a basically done movie not to be released like this. Apparently they can write off the budget for tax purposes or something.
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To me it's extremely suspicious as well.

Why shelf a project that is DONE?
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Possible reasons I can see are....

#1 - It's related to Erza Millers rather public issues.

We know that in the Flash Movie, he was supposed to interact with the Micheal Keaton version of Batman.
That movie is now essentially scrapped due to Erza's real life legal (and other) issues.

It's possible that the Flash movie was a major point/connection for the Batgirl movie, and you'd have to retool alot of it to drop that connection.
If so, even though it's nearly done in one version, it's not useable without a public relations nightmare continuing.

#2 - There is a major problem with one of the actors that hasn't made the papers yet, and the studio would like to avoid any connection to it.

#3 - Due to alot of negative publicity that's been connected to actors involved in it, (Erza Miller's issues, Amber Heards issues*, the theatrical vs longer run Justice League, the so-called white-washing by casting Gal Gadot as Cleopatra**, Ben Afleck dropping out, etc), the new management at Warner Brothers want's to scrap the current attempt at a DC Movie-verse. If so, they'll wait a few years, and then go ask Marvel how they did it.


* Amber Heard - if you are not aware, there is/was a rather nasty online campaign to get Amber Heard replaced in Aquaman 2. That and she apparently leaked some of the plot during her trial. I could care less about it, besides the fact it was clogging up a few meme sites.

** Groups are accusing the casting of Gal Gadot as Cleopatra VII Philopator as white washing, amongst other things. Said groups also say that Cleopatra should be played by an Egyptian. Okay, fair enough. But if you want to be accurate, you need to go with Cleopatra's ethnicity.

And Cleopatra was not Egyptian. Cleopatra was mostly Macedonian-Greek. The last of the Egyptian blooded Pharoahs were killed fighting Alexander the Great,. who then conquered Egypt and put Cleopatra's ancestors in charge.. Cleopatra's ancestors were high level members of his government that solidified their own rulership of Egypt after Alexander died, and then practiced inbreeding to keep 'the royal line pure'.

Seriously, check out her family tree here. Julius Caesar was the first marriage outside the family in 9 generations.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ptolemaic_dynasty
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They've pointedly not scrapped Flash or Aquaman 2 though. That's why it's so fucking weird. They are not scrapping the film staring the problematic actors but that might tie into it?

It really seems like a power move by the new CEO to enforce their vision.
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Maybe they finally realized their Batgirl suit positively sucks?
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Maybe they decided against further devaluing the DCEU by turning it into another Arrowverse. Hooray for quality control.
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Again, this isn't quality control.

The guy's taking an axe to anything his predecessor did to build up HBO Max to sabotage it like Removing exclusive films from it without warning and Gutting it's staff.

Anything he says about the movie's quality is extremely suspect.
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Apparently shelving Batgirl recoups their losses in the region of 15-20 million. No matter how bad it was, you reckon it wouldn't make that much in box office?
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Claims of whitewashing are stupid as Gal Gadot basically is of the right ethnicity for the role, and with her wheatish complexion she is most definitely NOT white.

Canning Batgirl probably has something to do with the failure of the Batwoman series, which basically went off the rails halfway through season 3 and was cancelled soon after.
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^ Wouldn't explain all the other cancelled projects and lay offs at HBO would it?
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I have no clue about those, just that despite a promising start Batwoman had a very Troubled Production behind the scenes and the decline during Season 3 was the last straw.
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EnterpriseSovereign wrote: 2022-08-04 02:17pm Claims of whitewashing are stupid as Gal Gadot basically is of the right ethnicity for the role, and with her wheatish complexion she is most definitely NOT white.
Actually, a lot of Americans would consider her White. The position of Jews in the US is often ambiguous that way. Gal Gadot is of Ashkenazi descent, and so am I, and I have definitely been viewed/considered/treated as White in the US.

While there are some White extremists in the US who do not regard Jewish people as White (regardless of skin color) pretty much any person of color is going to see Ashkenazi Jews as White, and by extension, Ms. Gadot as White.
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Crazedwraith wrote: 2022-08-03 02:01pm They've pointedly not scrapped Flash or Aquaman 2 though. That's why it's so fucking weird. They are not scrapping the film staring the problematic actors but that might tie into it?

It really seems like a power move by the new CEO to enforce their vision.
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Broomstick wrote: 2022-08-05 06:14am
EnterpriseSovereign wrote: 2022-08-04 02:17pm Claims of whitewashing are stupid as Gal Gadot basically is of the right ethnicity for the role, and with her wheatish complexion she is most definitely NOT white.
Actually, a lot of Americans would consider her White. The position of Jews in the US is often ambiguous that way. Gal Gadot is of Ashkenazi descent, and so am I, and I have definitely been viewed/considered/treated as White in the US.

While there are some White extremists in the US who do not regard Jewish people as White (regardless of skin color) pretty much any person of color is going to see Ashkenazi Jews as White, and by extension, Ms. Gadot as White.
Also, as I pointed out, Cleopatra herself was not black, but Macedonian Greek. They're generally accepted as 'White' as well.
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Some time back we have a couple of posters who were adamant that Ancient Egyptians were all Black, as in south-of-the-Sahara Black. Counter-argument being that "Ancient Egypt" lasted thousands of years and, being a cross-roads, had people of all sorts of ethnicities and skin color.
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Broomstick wrote: 2022-08-05 06:14am
EnterpriseSovereign wrote: 2022-08-04 02:17pm Claims of whitewashing are stupid as Gal Gadot basically is of the right ethnicity for the role, and with her wheatish complexion she is most definitely NOT white.
Actually, a lot of Americans would consider her White. The position of Jews in the US is often ambiguous that way. Gal Gadot is of Ashkenazi descent, and so am I, and I have definitely been viewed/considered/treated as White in the US.
Just out of interest, would you say you have the same eye, hair, and skin colour as Gadot?
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Broomstick wrote: 2022-08-05 09:17am Some time back we have a couple of posters who were adamant that Ancient Egyptians were all Black, as in south-of-the-Sahara Black. Counter-argument being that "Ancient Egypt" lasted thousands of years and, being a cross-roads, had people of all sorts of ethnicities and skin color.
Weren't this same group of people who insisted the Cleopatra must be black (mostly based on the fact we're not 100% certain who her mother was) and has unique and "non-white" name (even though the actual full name of the famous Cleopatra is Cleopatra VII Philopator and was the 7th Cleopatra just in the Ptolemaic dynasty (or possibly 6th as her mother might have been both the 5th and 6th under different names in the Royal naming list) While the ordinal number is later addition the name "Philopator" isn't and was used to separate her from previous women named "Cleopatra" in the dynasty, not mention famous ones before including one of the wives (7th to be exact) of Phillip II of Macedon and well as a sister of Alexander the Great (note these were 2 different women and Phillip didn't marry one of his daughters). All this clearly setting "Cleopatra" as fairly common ancient Macedonian name.

And this is ignoring that Cleopatra VII was highly unpopular among the Romans and yet there's no mention of her having "blood tainted by barbarians" which her enemies would said if she was of obviously sub-Saharan skin tone (and yes the Romans in Caesar's time did know what Macedonians looked like).
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EnterpriseSovereign wrote: 2022-08-05 10:15am
Broomstick wrote: 2022-08-05 06:14am
EnterpriseSovereign wrote: 2022-08-04 02:17pm Claims of whitewashing are stupid as Gal Gadot basically is of the right ethnicity for the role, and with her wheatish complexion she is most definitely NOT white.
Actually, a lot of Americans would consider her White. The position of Jews in the US is often ambiguous that way. Gal Gadot is of Ashkenazi descent, and so am I, and I have definitely been viewed/considered/treated as White in the US.
Just out of interest, would you say you have the same eye, hair, and skin colour as Gadot?
Similar hair color, lighter eyes and skin although I am the lightest member of my family.

My father had darker hair than her and similar eyes, although he, too, had pale skin.

Two of my three sisters have/had almost identical coloring to Ms. Gadot, and the third is darker skinned with darker hair and eyes than Gal Gadot.

And yet we've all been considered White here in the US. Except for that time my dad tried to pay for a hotel room in a sunset town in Kentucky back in 1968.

My mother was not Ashkenazi, she was of German and Irish descent. And her skin was actually darker than my dad's, even if her hair was red and her eyes green. Dad had black hair and dark brown eyes, though.
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Lord Revan wrote: 2022-08-05 10:29am
Broomstick wrote: 2022-08-05 09:17am Some time back we have a couple of posters who were adamant that Ancient Egyptians were all Black, as in south-of-the-Sahara Black. Counter-argument being that "Ancient Egypt" lasted thousands of years and, being a cross-roads, had people of all sorts of ethnicities and skin color.
Weren't this same group of people who insisted the Cleopatra must be black (mostly based on the fact we're not 100% certain who her mother was) and has unique and "non-white" name ...snip
Yep. Those are the folks.
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Lord Revan wrote: 2022-08-05 10:29am And this is ignoring that Cleopatra VII was highly unpopular among the Romans and yet there's no mention of her having "blood tainted by barbarians" which her enemies would said if she was of obviously sub-Saharan skin tone (and yes the Romans in Caesar's time did know what Macedonians looked like).
The Romans thought very highly of the Macedonians the Alexander the Great in-particular. Cleopatra being of Macedonian blood was part of the reason Julius Caesar married her and had a child with her.
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Solauren wrote: 2022-08-05 10:52pm
Lord Revan wrote: 2022-08-05 10:29am And this is ignoring that Cleopatra VII was highly unpopular among the Romans and yet there's no mention of her having "blood tainted by barbarians" which her enemies would said if she was of obviously sub-Saharan skin tone (and yes the Romans in Caesar's time did know what Macedonians looked like).
The Romans thought very highly of the Macedonians the Alexander the Great in-particular. Cleopatra being of Macedonian blood was part of the reason Julius Caesar married her and had a child with her.
Yeah that's the point they knew thanks to their respect of people with Macedonians blood the Romans knew what a person with Macedonian blood looked like, had Cleopatra had mostly sub Saharan African features you can bet it would have been mentioned by her enemies in Rome (remember that to Romans "barbarian" was "anyone outside the Greco-Roman cultural area").
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