Captain America vs Ares (Wonder Woman spoilers)

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Captain America vs Ares (Wonder Woman spoilers)

Postby FaxModem1 » 2017-06-11 12:58pm

Per the events of both Wonder Woman, Area starts whispering into the ears of the leaders and scientists of a World war, only it's WWII instead of I. In addition to the cosmic cube, Ares whispers designs and ideas to the Red Skull and his scientists, as well as Dr. Erskine and the American leadership for the SSR.

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Re: Captain America vs Ares (Wonder Woman spoilers)

Postby Q99 » 2017-06-11 06:57pm

There's the obvious problem that if a direct confrontation occurs, he's a bloody smear, but Steve not being a god Ares might not decide to do that.

It's also hard to say the exact results of his tech whispering unless we know what techs he whispers.

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Re: Captain America vs Ares (Wonder Woman spoilers)

Postby Elheru Aran » 2017-06-12 11:25am

Ares with the cosmic cube is overkill, given the powers he demonstrated on his own.

There is also a fundamental difference in that WW is, as we find out, divine herself; Steve, for all he's powered up, is still only human. That raises a vital question in whether he's capable of actually killing Ares or not.
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Re: Captain America vs Ares (Wonder Woman spoilers)

Postby Bedlam » 2017-06-12 01:52pm

Elheru Aran wrote:Ares with the cosmic cube is overkill, given the powers he demonstrated on his own.

There is also a fundamental difference in that WW is, as we find out, divine herself; Steve, for all he's powered up, is still only human. That raises a vital question in whether he's capable of actually killing Ares or not.


Well Ares certainly believed in the 'only a god can kill a god' thing, which raised an issue that if Wonder Woman is now the only god about no one should be able to kill her (of course it looks like Justice League will include New God characters so that probably gets around that).

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Re: Captain America vs Ares (Wonder Woman spoilers)

Postby Elheru Aran » 2017-06-12 02:16pm

Bedlam wrote:
Elheru Aran wrote:Ares with the cosmic cube is overkill, given the powers he demonstrated on his own.

There is also a fundamental difference in that WW is, as we find out, divine herself; Steve, for all he's powered up, is still only human. That raises a vital question in whether he's capable of actually killing Ares or not.


Well Ares certainly believed in the 'only a god can kill a god' thing, which raised an issue that if Wonder Woman is now the only god about no one should be able to kill her (of course it looks like Justice League will include New God characters so that probably gets around that).


They're definitely trying to follow the new-52 to some extent (Batman already an established hero, Cyborg incorporating Mother Box technology, etc) so I can totally see the Justice League films mixing up the Resurrection of Superman with the original JL nu-52 plot where Darkseid invades Earth. How the New Gods get involved, I'm not sure; IIRC they didn't in that plotline, apart from Cyborg's Mother Box being used.

Considering that they're making a DCEU Shazam movie, obviously WW isn't the only god around if they run with the traditional Shazam motifs (Solomon, Hercules, Zeus etc), also Black Adam (Egyptian). And aren't they doing up a Justice League Dark live action film?
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Re: Captain America vs Ares (Wonder Woman spoilers)

Postby mr friendly guy » 2017-06-12 10:59pm

Bedlam wrote:
Elheru Aran wrote:Ares with the cosmic cube is overkill, given the powers he demonstrated on his own.

There is also a fundamental difference in that WW is, as we find out, divine herself; Steve, for all he's powered up, is still only human. That raises a vital question in whether he's capable of actually killing Ares or not.


Well Ares certainly believed in the 'only a god can kill a god' thing, which raised an issue that if Wonder Woman is now the only god about no one should be able to kill her (of course it looks like Justice League will include New God characters so that probably gets around that).

We can easily explain this one away, as Ares believing that nothing the humans have in WWI could harm an Olympian. So just have the setting where people have better weapons. Or like you say, we can just have the New Gods, who IIRC Darkseid's Apokolips tortured Zeus himself and forced the Olympians to flee.
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Re: Captain America vs Ares (Wonder Woman spoilers)

Postby Q99 » 2017-06-13 12:31am

Regardless if whether Darkseid counts (I think yes), there is the matter that Steve isn't Darkseid.



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Re: Captain America vs Ares (Wonder Woman spoilers)

Postby Vendetta » 2017-06-18 04:51pm

Steve's in the wrong weight class to fight Ares directly, but he's also far less likely to draw him out. He basically only showed up in person because Diana was there and was starting to show her powers (exactly what Hippolyta feared, he was drawn to her because she's a demigod).

I can't see how the presence of Ares would even change WWII as portrayed in TFA. He stays behind the scenes and is the proximate cause of Hydra superscience, Steve still thwarts Red Skull and ends up frozen in ice, the twentieth century looks like it's going to escalate into nuclear armageddon for a bit but eventually collapses into continuous low intensity conflict.

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Re: Captain America vs Ares (Wonder Woman spoilers)

Postby Q99 » 2017-06-18 10:11pm

World War Two- and later wars- will be bloodier thanks to the new weaponry.

Also, while Steve is unlikely to draw out Ares, he may run into someone hyped up on arcano-gas, which could be a serious problem.

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Re: Captain America vs Ares (Wonder Woman spoilers)

Postby The Romulan Republic » 2017-06-20 05:49am

Haven't seen WW yet, to my shame, but I have to agree with what seems to be the consensus here:

1. New weapons make WWII/the Cold War worse.

2. Cap can't do squat to Ares in a fight if he's on Diana's level.
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