My bet: Bore the Vampirkon to death?Rogue 9 wrote:I think I might know what he's planning, but it'll be a trick to pull off.
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My bet: Bore the Vampirkon to death?Rogue 9 wrote:I think I might know what he's planning, but it'll be a trick to pull off.
Yeah, which is why Durkon has to do it just right and make the gaffe show lack of understanding, not just a change in perspective. "Belkar not comprehending morality" level lack of understanding.Simon_Jester wrote: If that's his plan, though, he's got a problem, because the Order already knows that vampire!Durkon is more ruthless and cruel than old!Durkon.
But the vampire spirit explicitly did not get that. It didn't even understand how the two incidents in his memory were related. That kind of thing is a flaw, a hole in its judgment that can be worked with.Simon_Jester wrote:Also, this particular memory sequence shows Durkon learning and overcoming this trait, in which case Durkula will know not to display that trait.
True, but like I said that's how D&D has generally approached this idea in the past. Whether Burlew knows this, cares about this, intends to draw on it or intends to draw on it with his own twist I have no clue, but it's worth mentioning for possible context.Simon_Jester wrote:I don't see any contradiction between "incapable of personality growth due to having a 'locked-in' personality of malignant hungry darkness" and "capable of being innovative and resourceful and devising new magic." Some very creative people in real life have been very bad at actually learning lessons from their own past. Some people have acquired very high degrees of skill while still retaining the same character defects they had as children.
"Xykon's Moderately Escapable Forcecage"?Ralin wrote:Should probably specify that I'm pretty sure it's been portrayed as "Undead spellcasters such as liches can't develop mentally in such a way as to create new magic and perform new magical research" and "Undead spellcasters such as liches are cursed to be incapable of doing so."
Forgot about that. Though Xykon lived a long life as a high level sorcerer before becoming a lich.Irbis wrote:"Xykon's Moderately Escapable Forcecage"?Ralin wrote:Should probably specify that I'm pretty sure it's been portrayed as "Undead spellcasters such as liches can't develop mentally in such a way as to create new magic and perform new magical research" and "Undead spellcasters such as liches are cursed to be incapable of doing so."
That's a 2nd edition thing, not 3.0/3.5 thing.Ralin wrote:
True, but like I said that's how D&D has generally approached this idea in the past. Whether Burlew knows this, cares about this, intends to draw on it or intends to draw on it with his own twist I have no clue, but it's worth mentioning for possible context.
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Should probably specify that I'm pretty sure it's been portrayed as "Undead spellcasters such as liches can't develop mentally in such a way as to create new magic and perform new magical research" and "Undead spellcasters such as liches are cursed to be incapable of doing so."
Yeah, I know.Imperial Overlord wrote:That's a 2nd edition thing, not 3.0/3.5 thing.
Something along the lines of "Say, do you remember when party member was controlled by an evil entity? " and then linking that to Durkon being controlled by evil entityCrazedwraith wrote:What do you mean? The rest of the order doesn't see the memories. Just the Durkons do.
So? You don't plan a situation like this in advance, mostly because someone like Durkon didn't plan on being turned into a Vampire. Especially because Durkon didn't plan on being turned into a vampire. You work with what you've got. Durkon has the personality of Durkula making demands. And he manipulates Durkula with specific memories of his own.Simon_Jester wrote:That's a good point, although arguably it's a hole Durkon couldn't have relied upon in advance.
Yes, thank you for the patient explanation.Gaidin wrote:So? You don't plan a situation like this in advance, mostly because someone like Durkon didn't plan on being turned into a Vampire. Especially because Durkon didn't plan on being turned into a vampire. You work with what you've got. Durkon has the personality of Durkula making demands. And he manipulates Durkula with specific memories of his own.Simon_Jester wrote:That's a good point, although arguably it's a hole Durkon couldn't have relied upon in advance.
Uh yeah, duh. Durkon clearly didn't know or suspect any such thing. The whole point of the strip is that this is when he gets the idea.Simon_Jester wrote:What I meant was that Durkon could not have foreseen that Durkula would fail to 'get' the connection between those two memories. It was, granted, worth a shot.
Yeah, I am not into subcultures, but I feel it was mostly relevant decade ago. I wouldn't be surprised either.Crazedwraith wrote:And is steampunk even that trendy anymore? I mean has this strip been in development so long its come and gone out of fashion? I would not be surprised.
Yeah. That's 4th or 5th strip in recent times I feel can be summed as "up your" to everyone who dares to disagree. I remember he used to defend decisions in rational way, now it's just bans and "houserule, lalalala, can't hear you" even when it's blatant mistake...Simon_Jester wrote:Honestly, it does kind of come across as Burlew thumbing his nose at an audience frustrated with the low output level.
Lovely scenery, but given that we're seeing about one strip every 10-14 days, it basically means that we go for a MONTH with no plot advancement.
Isn't it a bit like watching A New Hope and learn Chewbacca is rumoured to tear droids apart when losing the holochess game? That was cute scene, but pretty insignificant in the overall picture. Ditto for learning Durkon had handicapped mom, it's cute, but has little to do with overall plot.Simon_Jester wrote:Let us rather say, no semblance of plot advancement- nothing that sheds new light on what's going on, or on the character of any individual.
With the last strip, at least we learned that Durkon used to have this weird hangup about helping people without their permission, and that he's trying to play mind games with Durkula which are somehow related to this.