Paul Atreides vs Ozymandias

[Enola Straight]

Ozy has a ace up his sleeve...

He built some kind of tachyon generator to cloak his plans from Dr. Manhattan's prescience.
Could he not do the same against Paul's ability to see the future?

Furthermore, Ozy's fighting skills against Comedian, Rorsharch, and Nite Owl (and Silk Spectre?) is ample evidence of his Hand-to-hand prowess.

Plus, he is skilled enough to snatch a fired bullet out of the air by catching it in his hand.

This is the reason I matched up these two: hand-to-hand between peak-human/bullet-timers.

[Sidewinder]

Ozy has a ace up his sleeve...

He built some kind of tachyon generator to cloak his plans from Dr. Manhattan's prescience.
Could he not do the same against Paul's ability to see the future?

You're assuming Ozymandias will have the time and resources to prepare the tachyon generator, for the Big Fight. What if the fight took place on Dune, instead of Earth? Where will Ozymandias even get the parts to build a tachyon generator?

Furthermore, Ozy's fighting skills against Comedian, Rorsharch, and Nite Owl (and Silk Spectre?) is ample evidence of his Hand-to-hand prowess.

Plus, he is skilled enough to snatch a fired bullet out of the air by catching it in his hand.

This is the reason I matched up these two: hand-to-hand between peak-human/bullet-timers.

Ozymandias fought and defeated human beings with significant combat training, bodybuilding, and/or athletic skills. He did NOT fight superhuman beings with the ability to predict the future, dodge bullets, or hypnotize people so their enemies would commit suicide or otherwise act in self-destructive manners- well, not in hand-to-hand combat.

[Terralthra]

Furthermore, Ozy's fighting skills against Comedian, Rorsharch, and Nite Owl (and Silk Spectre?) is ample evidence of his Hand-to-hand prowess.

Plus, he is skilled enough to snatch a fired bullet out of the air by catching it in his hand.

This is the reason I matched up these two: hand-to-hand between peak-human/bullet-timers.

Ozymandias fought and defeated human beings with significant combat training, bodybuilding, and/or athletic skills. He did NOT fight superhuman beings with the ability to predict the future, dodge bullets, or hypnotize people so their enemies would commit suicide or otherwise act in self-destructive manners- well, not in hand-to-hand combat.

As I noted before, all of the hand-to-hand segments narrated by Paul in Dune indicate that his prescience is completely useless in a melee.

Also...Paul dodging bullets? When did that happen?

[Sidewinder]

Also...Paul dodging bullets? When did that happen?

I was confused by this line:

Furthermore, Ozy's fighting skills against Comedian, Rorsharch, and Nite Owl (and Silk Spectre?) is ample evidence of his Hand-to-hand prowess.

Plus, he is skilled enough to snatch a fired bullet out of the air by catching it in his hand.

This is the reason I matched up these two: hand-to-hand between peak-human/bullet-timers.

Having limited my Dune intake to the original novel, I thought Enola meant Paul demonstrated this ability in a later book (or movie adaptation).

[Gaidin]

Paul never had bullet dodging capability, that I'm aware of. He was capable of what I can only describe as extremely fast movement in hand to hand combat, and his prescience was generally useless because with so many things that could happen in a fight it would basically be sensory overload if he tried to get a read on the fight. What this means for normal fights, I can't really say, as the only fights he has one on one were ones you would call pretty damned important to his future, which alone could turn his prescience into a clusterfuck. Paul was more a lord and commander in the novels, for all his abilities.

The only Dune character capable of Bullet Time, if not more, was Miles Teg after he was tortured in Heretics of Dune. To say it left him utterly starving to do it would be an understatement.

[madd0ct0r]

You're assuming Ozymandias will have the time and resources to prepare the tachyon generator, for the Big Fight. What if the fight took place on Dune, instead of Earth? Where will Ozymandias even get the parts to build a tachyon generator?

well, in fairness if the fight took place off dune (say in watchmen-verse) then all Ozy has to do is wait for spice addiction to kill paul.

[Ahriman238]

Paul does pretty casually kill a shapeshifting assassin with a thrown knife while blind. Said assasin was holding his infant children hostage, and his son Leto let Paul see through his eyes, which was good enough for the pretty much instant dealing of death.

At that point his prescience was effectively useless, as others have said here. Paul is plenty dangerous even without detailed knowledge of the future. With it, he's able to make everyone dance to his tune, and it's more or less impossible to defeat him in a contest of strategy, as opposed to immediate "they meet in an empty room" tactics where he's only as good as a very skilled and experienced individual.