Paul Atreides vs Ozymandias

[Enola Straight]

Paul Atreides...Kwizatz-Haderach...Muad'Dib to the masses and Usul to the inner circle.
Has metaphysical abilities on par with a Jedi Master.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Atreides

Ozymandias...Adrian Veidt...member of the Watchmen and "Smartest Man in the World".
Can knock around fellow Watchmen...each with near-Batman level hand-to-hand combat.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ozymandias_%28comics%29

Which would win?

[Sarevok]

Paul wins ? He has superpowers + prescience. Other guy does not.

[Batman]

Adrian goes down, and goes down hard.The one and only reason I'm a threat to the superpowered members of our club is because they want me to. Batman is everybody's Plan B. Not so for Paul Atreides.

[Terralthra]

Hasn't Paul's prescience been shown to be useless in a fight? Consistently?

[ryacko]

Paul actually can't fight hand-to-hand, because he's used to fighting with shields which require slow stabbing movements, as opposed to quick ones.

Paul will sadly die, even if he is a Bene Gesserit witch.

[Grumman]

Ozymandias might be the "Smartest Man in the World", but Paul is a prescient human computer with the memories of a significant fraction of the human race.

Which would win?

Paul Muad'Dib introduces himself... and Ozymandias dies.

Paul actually can't fight hand-to-hand, because he's used to fighting with shields which require slow stabbing movements, as opposed to quick ones.

Paul will sadly die, even if he is a Bene Gesserit witch.

Even in Paul's first unshielded fight, to the death, the question wasn't whether Jamis might actually win, only what took Paul so long to go ahead and kill him.

[Broken]

Paul actually can't fight hand-to-hand, because he's used to fighting with shields which require slow stabbing movements, as opposed to quick ones.

Paul will sadly die, even if he is a Bene Gesserit witch.

When Paul declares himself Duke to unite the Fremen he explicitly points out that there is not a single man there who could stand against him in single combat, Stilgar included. The Fremen are fully capable of besting Sardaukar, who in turn Baron Harkonnen considers could easily turn on his House troops during their joint attack on House Atreides and rout them even on the wrong side of 10-1 odds. By Dune Messiah, Paul's sister (and its implied Paul himself) has practiced against a training bot at levels that would kill other master swordsmen.


At age 15 when he bested Jamis,

And it came to Jessica that Paul had been trained in prana and bindu, the nerve and the fiber -- that he had been taught fighting in a deadly school, his teachers men like Duncan Idaho and Gurney Halleck, men who were legends in their own lifetimes. The boy knew the devious ways of the Bene Gesserit and he looked supple and confident.

Paul Muad'Dib is not just a trained hand-to-hand combatant, but an extremely deadly one.

[AMT]

Paul actually can't fight hand-to-hand, because he's used to fighting with shields which require slow stabbing movements, as opposed to quick ones.

Paul will sadly die, even if he is a Bene Gesserit witch.

Yeah. When he was 15. Not when he was emperor. When he killed a person who'd been fighting for years.

Also, Paul could likely use Voice on Ozzy to make him kill himself.

[Thanas]

Paul is not the deadliest person in a hand-to-hand fight. That honour belongs to Count Fenrig, who, if not for a sudden change of heart, would have killed him on the spot.

[AMT]

Paul is not the deadliest person in a hand-to-hand fight. That honour belongs to Count Fenrig, who, if not for a sudden change of heart, would have killed him on the spot.

After Paul had fought a large battle *and* just finished a duel against his cousin.

If he was fresh? Might have been different.

[Thanas]

That has no basis really. Paul himself acknowledges that he would lose against him. There is no guarantee the genocidal maniac would have won even if he had been fresh.

[AMT]

That has no basis really. Paul himself acknowledges that he would lose against him. There is no guarantee the genocidal maniac would have won even if he had been fresh.

Never said there was a guarantee the father of the savior of the human race would have won, just that there were extenuating circumstances at the time.

[Thanas]

Never said there was a guarantee the father of the savior of the human race would have won, just that there were extenuating circumstances at the time.

well, if the father of the great enslaver gets to claim that, so does everybody he defeated in battle. I tell you, Feyd-Rautha was under stress the whole time too.

Pointless.

[AMT]

Never said there was a guarantee the father of the savior of the human race would have won, just that there were extenuating circumstances at the time.

well, if the father of the great enslaver gets to claim that, so does everybody he defeated in battle. I tell you, Feyd-Rautha was under stress the whole time too.

Pointless.

Well of course Feyd was under stress. He was about to fight the liberator of the universe!

[Thanas]

I am sure the jihad made people feel real liberated. No problem with oppression when you are dead after all.

Hooray for the Great Genocider.

[AMT]

I am sure the jihad made people feel real liberated. No problem with oppression when you are dead after all.

Hooray for the Great Genocider.

60 billion died so countless trillions could live.

Not everyone can be strong enough to make those kind of choices, but then again not everyone can be the savior of the race.

[Grumman]

I am sure the jihad made people feel real liberated. No problem with oppression when you are dead after all.

Hooray for the Great Genocider.

Why are you bringing this up here, of all places? Ozymandias pulled the same stunt, killing millions to set humanity on what he considered the least bad path.

[Themightytom]

Paul is not the deadliest person in a hand-to-hand fight. That honour belongs to Count Fenrig, who, if not for a sudden change of heart, would have killed him on the spot.

Wasn't Fenring an almost Kwizatch haderach? He would still be on a different level than Ozymandias..

oh hell the spelling of these names is ridiculous I'm out

[Thanas]

I am sure the jihad made people feel real liberated. No problem with oppression when you are dead after all.

Hooray for the Great Genocider.

Why are you bringing this up here, of all places?

Just a friendly contest between me and AMT to see who can pull up the more extreme adjective (either positive or negative) for the Ultimate Tyrant.

[AMT]

I am sure the jihad made people feel real liberated. No problem with oppression when you are dead after all.

Hooray for the Great Genocider.

Why are you bringing this up here, of all places?

Just a friendly contest between me and AMT to see who can pull up the more extreme adjective (either positive or negative) for the Ultimate Tyrant.

Don't you mean the Great Liberator?

[ryacko]

Why are you bringing this up here, of all places?

Just a friendly contest between me and AMT to see who can pull up the more extreme adjective (either positive or negative) for the Ultimate Tyrant.

Don't you mean the Great Liberator?

Evidently you're both talking about Ozymandias.

Come to think about it...

Wouldn't Paul have Ozymandias work as his under-secretary?

[Thanas]

Just a friendly contest between me and AMT to see who can pull up the more extreme adjective (either positive or negative) for the Ultimate Tyrant.

Don't you mean the Great Liberator?

Oh sure, if you meant the Great Adulterer. Paul Atreides has no family values. He is wrong for the country, and wrong for the galaxy.

[AMT]

Just a friendly contest between me and AMT to see who can pull up the more extreme adjective (either positive or negative) for the Ultimate Tyrant.

Don't you mean the Great Liberator?

Oh sure, if you meant the Great Adulterer. Paul Atreides has no family values. He is wrong for the country, and wrong for the galaxy.

...damnit. You win.
*bows*

[Enola Straight]

HERES the spirited thread from another board.
http://forums.comicbookresources.com/sh ... highlight=

[Simon_Jester]

This sounds... kind of stupid, really. The two characters come from such totally different settings that they're not really comparable.

Some versus are interesting because you're comparing two broadly similar beings. Say, Han Solo versus Malcolm Reynolds- they're not that different in terms of their character and abilities. Relative to their own settings, which have very different technology, they have similar resources, too.

Or you might have a matchup that's interesting because it pits asymmetric skills against each other.

But here, you're just taking "the world's smartest man" and throwing him against someone who takes that peak of physical perfection thing so far that he becomes a god. It just doesn't make a lot of sense unless you're trying to jump up and down and go "lol Paul would totally pwn Ozy lololol" or something vapid like that.