The Great Hunt - Bullseye, Hawkeye, Green Arrow

[Molyneux]

*snip image*
Yeah, UHE wins.

However,
http://community.livejournal.com/scans_ ... 77158.html
is making me rethink regular Hawkeye. He's pretty hard core as well.

That is one of the most hilariously stupid things I have ever seen. Almost as bad as Bullseye's brain tumor.

Oh, I agree it's terribly written and he talks way too much. But the fact that he won is still impressive.

So does he have superhumanly strong hands, or deadly razor-sharp fingernails or something? Come on, a playing card is sharper and has more mass behind it than a fingernail, and it's impossible to give someone more than a scratch with one. For a "human" character to do something like that doesn't just strain suspension of disbelief, it snaps its neck and wears its skull like a tiara.

[Pablo Sanchez]

Yes, Bullseye can turn anything within reach into a thrown weapon, but I think he's just as happy to nail you with a sniper rifle.

Actually he dislikes using firearms because he is insane and prefers using improvised projectiles and mixing it up in hand-to-hand. I can only think of two times in the Daredevil run where Bullseye used a gun--once he used it as a handicap on Daredevil, putting one in his shoulder to keep DD from just beating the shit out of him, and the other time he was busting the Kingpin out of prison and used a couple shotguns.

[Praxis]

That is one of the most hilariously stupid things I have ever seen. Almost as bad as Bullseye's brain tumor.

Oh, I agree it's terribly written and he talks way too much. But the fact that he won is still impressive.

So does he have superhumanly strong hands, or deadly razor-sharp fingernails or something? Come on, a playing card is sharper and has more mass behind it than a fingernail, and it's impossible to give someone more than a scratch with one. For a "human" character to do something like that doesn't just strain suspension of disbelief, it snaps its neck and wears its skull like a tiara.

Ultimate Hawkeye clearly has some low-level superpowers (super strength seems true), as does Ultimate Captain America (both perform feats considerably more powerful than their 616 counterparts and any ordinary human).

[Molyneux]

Ultimate Hawkeye clearly has some low-level superpowers (super strength seems true), as does Ultimate Captain America (both perform feats considerably more powerful than their 616 counterparts and any ordinary human).

Slightly less silly, then, although if they don't actually say the character is superhuman it's still iffy.

[NeoGoomba]

Slightly less silly, then, although if they don't actually say the character is superhuman it's still iffy.

Well you've got to keep in mind he WAS chosen to be on the Ultimates, which had an all-superhuman roster, so it could be he recieved some augmentation from some unnamed source yet.

Count on Jeph Loeb to make it incomprehensible and overly dramatic, no doubt involving his fallen family members.

[NeoGoomba]

EDIT - that should read "as of yet unnamed source".

[Crazedwraith]

Slightly less silly, then, although if they don't actually say the character is superhuman it's still iffy.

Well you've got to keep in mind he WAS chosen to be on the Ultimates, which had an all-superhuman roster, so it could be he recieved some augmentation from some unnamed source yet.

Except he constantly bitches to Black Widow and others about not being enhanced and not being able to do this stuff at the same time.

[DPDarkPrimus]

616-continuity Hawkeye was trained by the original Swordsman, so he's pretty damn good in close-combat as well, though of course if he doesn't have a weapon on him to use in close-combat it doesn't help too much.

[Havok]

Slightly less silly, then, although if they don't actually say the character is superhuman it's still iffy.

Well you've got to keep in mind he WAS chosen to be on the Ultimates, which had an all-superhuman roster, so it could be he recieved some augmentation from some unnamed source yet.

Except he constantly bitches to Black Widow and others about not being enhanced and not being able to do this stuff at the same time.

He's like that in 616 as well. Constantly whining that without his arrows: "I'm just a guy in a funny suit." He seems to have a inferiority complex as far as powered heroes are concerned and especially with Captain America.

[NeoGoomba]

Except he constantly bitches to Black Widow and others about not being enhanced and not being able to do this stuff at the same time.

But then you look at what he can actually do physically, and the punishment he can absorb (especially when he breaks out of the anti-Ultimates facility heavily wounded and is STILL able to get involved in the final battle of vol. 2), and he just simply CANNOT be "normal".

[spongyblue]

You say all combatants at the height of their power? Well then Hawkeye. He can just get 60ft tall and smash the joint. Remember, he did have a dose of Pym particles and was Goliath for a while.

[Bertie Wooster]

So does he have superhumanly strong hands, or deadly razor-sharp fingernails or something? Come on, a playing card is sharper and has more mass behind it than a fingernail, and it's impossible to give someone more than a scratch with one. For a "human" character to do something like that doesn't just strain suspension of disbelief, it snaps its neck and wears its skull like a tiara.

Actually, there is a magician named Ricky Jay who was listed in the Guiness Book of World Records for throwing a playing card a hundred and ninety feet at ninety miles an hour. From ten paces he can throw a playing card into the flesh of a watermelon.

So this guy is in late 50's, and not in ideal shape by any means, so it's not beyond the realm of SoD that a card or fingernail could go through flesh.

wiki article

[Praxis]

So does he have superhumanly strong hands, or deadly razor-sharp fingernails or something? Come on, a playing card is sharper and has more mass behind it than a fingernail, and it's impossible to give someone more than a scratch with one. For a "human" character to do something like that doesn't just strain suspension of disbelief, it snaps its neck and wears its skull like a tiara.

Actually, there is a magician named Ricky Jay who was listed in the Guiness Book of World Records for throwing a playing card a hundred and ninety feet at ninety miles an hour. From ten paces he can throw a playing card into the flesh of a watermelon.

So this guy is in late 50's, and not in ideal shape by any means, so it's not beyond the realm of SoD that a card or fingernail could go through flesh.

wiki article

Hm, was pretty sure that Mythbusters disproved any possibility of actually killing someone with this method or doing anything more than cuts on the skin.

*googles*

Here we are. They even have Ricky Jay on the show.
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/458503/ri ... thbusters/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgJhorx0Z8I

You're not killing anyone with a playing card. Fingernail might be more dangerous, but Hawkeye had his arms strapped down so there was no way he was throwing those at 100+ mph.

[DPDarkPrimus]

You say all combatants at the height of their power? Well then Hawkeye. He can just get 60ft tall and smash the joint. Remember, he did have a dose of Pym particles and was Goliath for a while.

Simply making him bigger isn't going to give him the win.

To paraphrase Taskmaster from a recent issue of Avengers: Initiative.

"Fighting giants... right. Well you have to keep your cool, and remember that since the rest of their bodies are bigger... so are their weak points. *throws shield* Like the Achilles tendon! *knocks over Yellowjacket, Ant-Man, and Stature, then proceeds to punch Yellowjacket in a nerve cluster on his neck, knocking him out*"

[Molyneux]

You say all combatants at the height of their power? Well then Hawkeye. He can just get 60ft tall and smash the joint. Remember, he did have a dose of Pym particles and was Goliath for a while.

Simply making him bigger isn't going to give him the win.

To paraphrase Taskmaster from a recent issue of Avengers: Initiative.

"Fighting giants... right. Well you have to keep your cool, and remember that since the rest of their bodies are bigger... so are their weak points. *throws shield* Like the Achilles tendon! *knocks over Yellowjacket, Ant-Man, and Stature, then proceeds to punch Yellowjacket in a nerve cluster on his neck, knocking him out*"

Wait...Taskmaster is getting more screen time?
Damn! I really hadn't been planning on reading any of the recent Marvel stuff 'til they got their heads out of their asses.

[Darwin]

Wait...Taskmaster is getting more screen time?
Damn! I really hadn't been planning on reading any of the recent Marvel stuff 'til they got their heads out of their asses.

The Initiative is actually a pretty good comic, one of the best things Marvel is publishing right now (Next to Annihilation), of course it suffers a bit from disposable characters. Taskie is one of the trainers for new recruits, and he's awesome.

[Molyneux]

Wait...Taskmaster is getting more screen time?
Damn! I really hadn't been planning on reading any of the recent Marvel stuff 'til they got their heads out of their asses.

The Initiative is actually a pretty good comic, one of the best things Marvel is publishing right now (Next to Annihilation), of course it suffers a bit from disposable characters. Taskie is one of the trainers for new recruits, and he's awesome.

Of course. He's always awesome, even when he's wearing that stupid-looking outfit. Did you ever read the antihero-ish miniseries he got?

[The Grim Squeaker]

Wait...Taskmaster is getting more screen time?
Damn! I really hadn't been planning on reading any of the recent Marvel stuff 'til they got their heads out of their asses.

The Initiative is actually a pretty good comic, one of the best things Marvel is publishing right now (Next to Annihilation), of course it suffers a bit from disposable characters. Taskie is one of the trainers for new recruits, and he's awesome.

Of course. He's always awesome, even when he's wearing that stupid-looking outfit. Did you ever read the antihero-ish miniseries he got?

I did, and issue 9 continues his awesomeness.
"Am I on the list?" "Top marks for brains. Crusader. Unlike the rest of you" . I love that character, especially him using the whole training exercise as an excuse to copy moves