Rank DC's human martial artists

Demiurge · Post by **Demiurge** » 2005-06-01 02:02pm

From best to least best, how does it go?

These ones...

Batman
Robin
Nightwing
Catwoman
Black Canary (no scream power)
Huntress
Wildcat
Lady Shiva
Mr. Terrific
Batgirl
Doctor Mid-nite
Blue Beetle

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2005-06-01 02:15pm

As what been latest?

Lady Shiva/Batman: They share number one since it has been shown what makes one lose is pretty much circumstances.
Batgirl
Catwoman
Mr. Terrific (Taking on Kobra and not dying is a feat Nightwing is not doing)
Nightwing
Doctor Mid-nite
Robin
Wildcat
Black Canary (no scream power)
Blue Beetle
Huntress

Demiurge · Post by **Demiurge** » 2005-06-01 02:27pm

Interesting. I expected Wildcat to be better than Mid-nite or Terrific. I really didn't know that Terrific was at that level. And Mid-nite didn't seem like much of a fighter.... for a superhero, of course.

I expected Huntress to be pretty low. It's a fact that's pointed out often.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2005-06-01 02:36pm

Demiurge wrote:Interesting. I expected Wildcat to be better than Mid-nite or Terrific. I really didn't know that Terrific was at that level. And Mid-nite didn't seem like much of a fighter.... for a superhero, of course.

Mid-Nite showed definitly some decent skills in his mini series.

Terrific definitly shows enough that he can take on the original as well as numerous foes that were relegated to Batman only level.

Wildcat is good, but his problem...literally he's just a boxer, and in the DCU, while nice...he relies upon the fact he has multiple lives and near superhuman endurance rather then the skills that even Connor GA portrays.

I expected Huntress to be pretty low. It's a fact that's pointed out often.

Easily...she pretty much ranks low more on the regard she isn't near as obsessive.

And interesting extras would be throwing in Question who shows very high skills as well as Richard Dragon who has beaten Shiva...Hard.

Batman · Post by **Batman** » 2005-06-01 05:19pm

Waitasecond. Tim and Dick rank below Selina? Valen knows I like her but I recall several occasions of the current Boy Wonder handing her her (really nice) ass, and Dick easily trumps Tim, so what gives?
I think Selina goes by on cunning more than raw fighting ability.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2005-06-01 05:21pm

Batman wrote:Waitasecond. Tim and Dick rank below Selina? Valen knows I like her but I recall several occasions of the current Boy Wonder handing her her (really nice) ass, and Dick easily trumps Tim, so what gives?
I think Selina goes by on cunning more than raw fighting ability.

Given Selina has been able to hold her own against Batgirl, who in turn is slightly below par of Lady Shiva, she deserves the ranking easily.

Neither Nightwing or Robin have even come close to that level fighting ability.

Batman · Post by **Batman** » 2005-06-01 05:28pm

Ghost Rider wrote: Given Selina has been able to hold her own against Batgirl, who in turn is slightly below par of Lady Shiva, she deserves the ranking easily.

WHOA!:shock:
Whenever did THAT happen?
I wasn't sure I could hold my own against Cassie.

Neither Nightwing or Robin have even come close to that level fighting ability.

Definitely not. I stand corrected once more.

Lancer · Post by **Lancer** » 2005-06-01 05:47pm

What about Green Arrow's son?

Granted, his martial arts prowess comes from a metahuman power (which lets him duplicate any move he's seen), but other than that, he's a normal human.

Batman · Post by **Batman** » 2005-06-01 05:53pm

Matt Huang wrote:What about Green Arrow's son?
Granted, his martial arts prowess comes from a metahuman power (which lets him duplicate any move he's seen), but other than that, he's a normal human.

Well by that reasoning apart from his superpowers Captain Marvel is a normal human, too...

NeoGoomba · Post by **NeoGoomba** » 2005-06-02 12:53am

I know he's not DC, but where would Taskmaster fit into DC's band of martial artists?

Demiurge · Post by **Demiurge** » 2005-06-02 03:46pm

How about Huntress vs. Tarantula?

Post by **LadyTevar** » 2005-06-02 04:40pm

Batman wrote:
Ghost Rider wrote: Given Selina has been able to hold her own against Batgirl, who in turn is slightly below par of Lady Shiva, she deserves the ranking easily.
WHOA!:shock:
Whenever did THAT happen?
I wasn't sure I could hold my own against Cassie.
Neither Nightwing or Robin have even come close to that level fighting ability.

Definitely not. I stand corrected once more.

I've told you over and over, Bats... never underestimate me.

Especially when I use my charms on my writers

Batman · Post by **Batman** » 2005-06-02 04:45pm

LadyTevar wrote: I've told you over and over, Bats... never underestimate me.
Especially when I use my charms on my writers

I don't think you're allowed to do this impersonation thingy anymore now that you're a married woman, you know.

Vendetta · Post by **Vendetta** » 2005-06-02 07:28pm

Batman wrote:I wasn't sure I could hold my own against Cassie..

You probably can't.

She's capable of beating Deathstroke*, if he plays fair, and still in with a damn good chance if he cheats. And he's cleaned your clock.

(*And she's never even been a Titan)

Batman · Post by **Batman** » 2005-06-02 07:39pm

Vendetta wrote:
Batman wrote:I wasn't sure I could hold my own against Cassie..
You probably can't.
She's capable of beating Deathstroke*, if he plays fair, and still in with a damn good chance if he cheats. And he's cleaned your clock.
(*And she's never even been a Titan)

See? That's what I'm talking about.
Valen sometimes I hate being a comic book character...

Vendetta · Post by **Vendetta** » 2005-06-02 07:50pm

Batman wrote: See? That's what I'm talking about.
Valen sometimes I hate being a comic book character...

Being outdone by your own protegé or having your abilities fluctuate with the whim of some spotty herbert with a pen?

At least I had the decency to die before being subject to either.

(can't escape the shitty movie though)

Batman · Post by **Batman** » 2005-06-02 08:08pm

Vendetta wrote:
Batman wrote: See? That's what I'm talking about.
Valen sometimes I hate being a comic book character...
Being outdone by your own protegé

I think I could have lived with that. I mean can you think of anything more humiliating to an opponent than me, at the brink of defeat, calling in a teenager that will subsequently anihilate him without putting in any effort?

or having your abilities fluctuate with the whim of some spotty herbert with a pen?

That's it. One day I have to give my level best to hold my own against Shiva, the next I clobber her without a thought.
Can you spell continuity?
I knew you couldn't.

Morat · Post by **Morat** » 2005-06-03 12:03am

I think people are really underestimating Blue Beetle. He did manage to defeat the original Blue Beetle, after all.

Sriad · Post by **Sriad** » 2005-06-03 10:46am

Taskmaster, if he were on the list, would be near the top. It's generally accepted that Captain America =(approximately, I'm on a weird Europe computer and can't find the tilde)= Batman, and Taskers can go toe to toe with Cap on a good day.

Vendetta · Post by **Vendetta** » 2005-06-03 02:32pm

Cap is pretty close to Batman, but in one of the pre-Amalgam crossovers where they had a bit of a scrap Batman actually won.

Remember that Captain America isn't quite a normal human, like Deathstroke he's got a range of strength, endurance, and tactical enhancements.

Tsyroc · Post by **Tsyroc** » 2005-06-04 05:51am

Ghost Rider wrote: Given Selina has been able to hold her own against Batgirl, who in turn is slightly below par of Lady Shiva, she deserves the ranking easily.

Neither Nightwing or Robin have even come close to that level fighting ability.

Didn't Catwoman's book or maybe some sort of year one type of thing make it like Selina could pick up fight skills just by seeing them once (ala the Taskmaster) or something like that?

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2005-06-04 08:06am

not that I recall, but then again Catwoman is Wildcat's former protege.

hmm also on the list should be the Wilson's Father and Daughter.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2005-06-04 08:12am

Tsyroc wrote:
Ghost Rider wrote: Given Selina has been able to hold her own against Batgirl, who in turn is slightly below par of Lady Shiva, she deserves the ranking easily.

Neither Nightwing or Robin have even come close to that level fighting ability.
Didn't Catwoman's book or maybe some sort of year one type of thing make it like Selina could pick up fight skills just by seeing them once (ala the Taskmaster) or something like that?

Yep. Thought it was among the funnier of abilities.

Vendetta · Post by **Vendetta** » 2005-06-04 09:30am

The Yosemite Bear wrote:not that I recall, but then again Catwoman is Wildcat's former protege.

hmm also on the list should be the Wilson's Father and Daughter.

Slade is slightly above Batman, but below Batgirl. He's fought Batman twice, handily schooling him once, and holding up despite Bats being a distraction from what he was actually trying to do the second time. Against Cassie he was slightly overmatched on their first encounter, when he fought her hand to hand, but was slightly winning when he fought on his own terms, using his guns a lot more.

Rose loses, and hard, to Batgirl.

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2005-06-04 01:56pm

even with her precog abilities?

oh well I forgot we have two "cheaters" to include...

Promethus whose in the running due to having the fighting styles of the top 15 cyberwired into his brain.

Manhunter: whose now got the spirit of the wildhuntsman* (and with it a few Eons of combat experience) inside his otherwise human shell.)

*which means that he's human but now has acess to the memories of a god/demon