Ooh, ooh, let me guess. Is it.... B?

I tried that, unfortunately. So has Lord Wong, and several others. He has consistently failed to provide any kind of proof for his statements. This guy is a marvel of the Broken Record and Wall of Ignorance styles of "debating".

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MFS Angry Wookiee - PRFYNAFBTFC

"We are all atheists about most of the gods that societies have ever believed in. Some of us just go one god further." -Richard Dawkins

I think at this point, that douchebaggian fuckwit has actually lied about saying that Palpantine had a holdout lightsaber in his duel with Windu more times than he actually said that Palpantine had a holdout lightsaber in his duel with Windu.

Nah, by my count he's still got a few more to go, but don't worry, he's sure to keep trying until someone terminates his ass.

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MFS Angry Wookiee - PRFYNAFBTFC

"We are all atheists about most of the gods that societies have ever believed in. Some of us just go one god further." -Richard Dawkins

Question:


Answers:
Very clear statements. Good, good.


"You misunderstand."
You say that people misunderstand, but that is just another lie.

This is yet another lie. You are, in fact, lying. Lying about lying!. You made yourself very clear in your earlier statements, when you lied about the novelization providing information that it does not. There is no misunderstanding; the clarity and concise nature of your earlier fallacious statements are commendable.

You proceed to lie about your earlier lies, building up layer after layer of filthy lies like grime on an oventop. You have to understand that no matter how much you want to, you can't backtrack and pretend it never happened. Pretending to do so, and making statements based on the incorrect fantasy events, is lying.

I suppose there is a possibility aside from you being a (pathological?) liar. Are you schizophrenic?

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I'm jumping in here late without reading the rest of the thread (8 pages, ha!) but doesn't the whole "he had a holdout saber" thing come straight from the ROTS Visual Dictionary? I don't recall it being explained in the movie or novel...

If he always had two sabers on him, it begs the question why he didn't use two at once.

Well, in the novel his Sabre kinda gets chopped in two, so Stover *had* to quickly mention that Sidious had a spare. However, since in the novel before the Mace duel Sidious extracts *precisely one sabre* from a sculpture in his bedroom there's nothing to back up Trooper's claims.

It really pays to read the thread. He basically makes the contention that since he has two lightsabers, period, that he must have had it on him during the fight with Windu, despite never using it and wearing completely different robes in the fight with Yoda (which is when he used the hold-out). He's failed repeatedly to provide any evidence that Palpatine had the saber on him, and has indeed lied repeatedly about making that contention in the first place after I quoted him no less than 8 times saying that very damn thing. Then he lied again trying to claim he didn't lie and we just "misunderstand" everything he says. We understand it just find. We understand it's utter bullshit and he's a lying sack of semen who tosses his opinions off like facts and expects everyone to just nod and smile.

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MFS Angry Wookiee - PRFYNAFBTFC

"We are all atheists about most of the gods that societies have ever believed in. Some of us just go one god further." -Richard Dawkins

Read the fucking thread you moron.

It's not whther the hold out comes from the Visual dictionary, or there are giant letter over Palpatine's head saying"I'm faking it, I have teh TWO lightsabers!!!!", TK1728946 has backpedalled on the damn subject more then once, and failed to produce evidence other then being vague about it, and has been trying to prove a negative.

Next time, read the fucking thread instead of going "Hyuck, I'm late but I want to add my two points of spam, nyuck, nyuck"

Using unlimited force lightning would have been my first guess, but Sidious does have proven speed. I think by then, though, he had lost. The mutation injury should have taken a lot out of him, physically. Mace had the drop on him, was pretty murder-minded, and not too badly affected by the initial force lightning attack.

Vicious Wrote:

If one has a holdout weapon, it only makes sense to wear it during an endgame. It's just that Palpatine dosen't seem to plan for unforseen conclusions to his plots that makes this legitimate conjecture unlikely. Although the backup is never mentioned in the novel or movie as being in the same scene, there was also no reason to waste word or film on either.

A holdout lightsaber can be held in an arm holster, ankle holster or in a tunic or similar garment worn underneath a robe; they aren't that big and Palpatine could not wear such gear too openly anyway. Changing his loose flowing outer robes wouldn't change the prescence or absence of a holdout saber.

Unfortunately, even if you were to ask the actor and stunt people, you would not be able to prove he was wearing a backup lightsaber. They only use what the scene demands. Lucas might know; on the other hand he's not so good with details and had been known to change them, and get touchy about being challenged on them, because he wants his viewers to be paying attention to the big story.

Taking the movie as a real-life right-there sort of thing, Palpatine should have his holdout lightsaber on him, however, he's also arrogant enough to forget it. I haven't read the novel, but by this thread, apparently he does have two lightsabers, and one is designed as a smaller backup weapon, not a spare main weapon.

It does make sense that he might fully arm himself. Anakin had gone off to tell the Jedi Council he is a Sith, yet instead of runnng away, or summoning more loyal guards, or implementing order 66, he instead planned to stay and fight, alone, with no other weapons. Even if Sidious was far superior to Mace and an elite team of Jedi - and he did not seem to prepare for any other encounter - things can go wrong, and a backup lightsaber might come in handy. An experienced duellist, which Sidious might not be, would pack the backup saber, so TK 12746 is not incorrect or misleading to suggest it could have been there.

Regardless of whether it makes sense or not, there is no evidence to support the point, therefor it is wrong. If he had it, he would have used it. This uber-Palpatine fanwank that Palpatine had forseen the whole thing is bullshit. Palpatine is clever and cunning, but Miss Fucking Cleo he isn't. He failed to forsee Anakin turning on him in RotJ. He failed to forsee Darth Maul's death in TPM. TK 12746 has been attempting to prove this point for a couple of days now, and he's failed completely, and to top it off he lied about ever making the point in the first place, then when called on it he lied about lying! Those are major violations of board policy. Notice that he's already lost sig and avatar privileges and has still not complied with the demands set for him.

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MFS Angry Wookiee - PRFYNAFBTFC

"We are all atheists about most of the gods that societies have ever believed in. Some of us just go one god further." -Richard Dawkins

I said specifically stated that he lost the first one in the fight with WIndu and had the second one in the fight with Yoda. I never actually stated that the novelization said he had both at the fight with Windu. I said the novelization said that he had two lightsabers. WHich you interpretated as meaning that I claimed that the novelization shows that he had two at the fight with Windu. Whether or not that point is wrong. I was not lying. I was misunderstood. I have provided counterexamples.

Are you mentally retarded, or have you smoked so much crack that you have the most severe case of short term memory loss known to man? How many fucking times do people have to post YOUR OWN FUCKING WORDS that you typed down not 72 hours ago against you before you stop lying, and admit you are a fucking idiot and are dead wrong? How fucking hard is it to just say "hey, I was wrong, I concede the point"? No one is asking for your balls here (if you had any), or for your first born child (if you could convince a living female human to let her insert your penis into her, let alone father a little tardling of your own with her). I mean how fucking stupid do you have to be not to realize that your compounding lies make you look like so much cuntal discharge?

"Whiskey Tango Foxtrot! Are we not getting through? Try boosting the power of the transmitter. Over. *flunky fiddles with dials* "We're at max power, sir! Not getting any kind of return signal except static. Wait a minute, picking up something...it's the same thing we heard earlier...sounds like a Broken Record!"
Fine. You spew it, I'll refute it. Again and again and again.



Have you gotten it yet? Or do I need to come physically pound it into your skull with very large bricks?

P.S.: Bolded bits are my comments which I found pertinent.
P.P.S: I apologize for the extremely large post size, but nothing is working. I figured concentrated fire might work better than sporadic fire.

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MFS Angry Wookiee - PRFYNAFBTFC

"We are all atheists about most of the gods that societies have ever believed in. Some of us just go one god further." -Richard Dawkins

Listen you stupid fucking asshole, you claimed he had two lightsabres IN A DEBATE ABOUT THE WINDU FIGHT. Countless examples have been given of you mentioning this mythical second sabre in relation to the Windu fight. And for that matter, ANY mention of this mythical second sabre in relation to this thread is a GODDAMNED RED HERRING unless you can provide evidence that he had it on him. So stop fucking lying, you little ass-wipe. This is your last warning. There is no second sabre for the purposes of this thread unless you can provide evidence that he had one on him at the time. Either provide the necessary evidence or concede, shithead.

I have provided evidence that the second lightsaber does exist. I have not claimed that the novelization proved that it was in the WIndu fight. I believe it would be in the Windu fight because there is no point in haveing a backup if it is unavailible should hte primary fail. I do think he had it in the WIndu fight, but I didn't say the novelization proves it. I provided quotes earlier from the novelization that stated the existence of the second lightsaber, it isn't mythical.

*ahem*



Seriously you should've stopped backpedalling LONG ago.

That's it. Time for a show trial.