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Re: The New SW Canon

Post by RogueIce » 2014-04-29 01:15am

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RogueIce wrote:He lives in the UK, so no big surprise. Plus IIRC he was only the voice of Maul, something that would tend to be done in post-production, so this probably doesn't mean anything other than Mark Hamill and he got together while the former was in London, possibly while Mr. Hamill is/was shooting for Episode VII.
but here's the thing why would they be hanging out? How do they know each other? I think its more likely that Peter is there for another part in Star Wars. I mean he is a great actor and has an amazing voice.
Hamill is a pretty prolific voice actor these days. Could be that. Have they worked together before?

Or he could be involved with Star Wars somehow. But even if he is, that doesn't mean he'll have anything to do with Maul. After all, he was just the voice in Episode I and had like what, one or two lines total? He could easily be cast for an entirely different role and nobody would know the difference without checking his IMDb page.
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Re: The New SW Canon

Post by Tychu » 2014-04-29 10:09pm

My question, what about little things with the EU that explains some things seen in the films? For instance it's the EU that explains that Obi-Wan was studying the busts of the "Lost Twenty" in Episode II.

Does Shadows of the Empire exist? How did Luke make his own green saber if Shadows doesn't exist?
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Re: The New SW Canon

Post by Gandalf » 2014-04-29 10:15pm

I'm glad to see the EU reduced to non-canon. It was freaking ridiculous.
Tychu wrote:Does Shadows of the Empire exist? How did Luke make his own green saber if Shadows doesn't exist?
Just because it isn't explicitly shown doesn't mean it didn't happen. We never really see Luke go to the loo in the films, but we can safely assume that he somehow deals with digested matter.
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Post by Tychu » 2014-04-29 10:23pm

I get that, my point though is that you can't just say you discard the whole thing. If it's counterdicted that's different, but we've been dealing with that since day 1.
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Re: The New SW Canon

Post by Gandalf » 2014-04-29 10:27pm

Of course you can throw it all out. Is there something in the films that doesn't work unless the EU is taken into account?
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Re: The New SW Canon

Post by Tychu » 2014-04-30 07:20am

It's the little things, like Hans blood stripes. It was from true EU that we learned Han was in the Imperial Navy. We also know why Jabba put a bounty on Hans head from the EU.

All I'm saying is that until it's contradicted it should be canon
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Re: The New SW Canon

Post by Borgholio » 2014-04-30 10:41am

We also know why Jabba put a bounty on Hans head from the EU.
I thought that was explained in Ep 4?
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Post by Tychu » 2014-04-30 11:42am

"Even I get boarded sometimes" is what Han says. But we're talking about Han Solo, the man made the Kessel run. He's keeping face, he would normally try to run in his so uped up starship. He was transporting orphans and didn't want to risk them
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Re: The New SW Canon

Post by JME2 » 2014-04-30 01:21pm

Tychu wrote:All I'm saying is that until it's contradicted it should be canon
Agreed; until I hear otherwise, the broad strokes are still canon for me (SOIE, Darth Plagueis, etc.)

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Re: The New SW Canon

Post by Borgholio » 2014-04-30 01:24pm

Tychu wrote:"Even I get boarded sometimes" is what Han says. But we're talking about Han Solo, the man made the Kessel run. He's keeping face, he would normally try to run in his so uped up starship. He was transporting orphans and didn't want to risk them
Greedo said that Jabba has no time for smugglers who drop their shipments at the first sign of an Imperial starship. So that's clearly why the bounty was placed on Han...because he didn't pay Jabba back for the cargo.

Now the EU states that it was an expensive cargo of spice from the Kessel mines. Since it's EU though, we now have to discard that and remain in the dark as to what the actual cargo was in this case. Could still be spice, or weapons, or any number of expensive items.
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Re: The New SW Canon

Post by JME2 » 2014-04-30 01:31pm

Nah, the Lucian Alliance was probably trying to set him up so Han could start smuggling Kassa for them. :)

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Re: The New SW Canon

Post by Borgholio » 2014-04-30 02:06pm

JME2 wrote:Nah, the Lucian Alliance was probably trying to set him up so Han could start smuggling Kassa for them. :)
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Re: The New SW Canon

Post by JME2 » 2014-04-30 02:56pm

I was thinking evil Orville Redenbacher, but that works too. :)

I'm sure the Hutts would make a mint with that stuff.

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Post by Havok » 2014-04-30 05:48pm

Geezuz, just let it go. You guys are like little kids clinging to their security blanket.

Isn't it infinitely more exciting to have everything be new and possible again than trite rehashed shit?

Can't you remember back to before Heir to the Empire when Star Wars was still fucking awesome?
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Re: The New SW Canon

Post by JME2 » 2014-04-30 06:04pm

I in no way resemble Linus, thank you very much. :mrgreen: :P

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Post by Batman » 2014-04-30 06:09pm

'Heir to the Empire' was when Star Wars came back to still be fucking awesome.
A lot of what followed was admittedly suboptimal to put it mildly but I think none of it would have followed at all without TTT.
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Re: The New SW Canon

Post by SilverDragonRed » 2014-04-30 06:20pm

Havok wrote: Can't you remember back to before Heir to the Empire when Star Wars was still fucking awesome?
Says the guy with Darth Time Filler as his avatar.

The sad thing about losing the entire EU is that Lucas didn't show any respect to the people who were keeping his setting alive. Without the EU as the only place for Star Wars tales in the decades long span between trilogies, how big do ya'll think the fandom would have clamoring for Phantom Menace?

So, in a final show of disrepect to the people who made him money for decades, he throws all of it under the bus while flipping off all the people who ever created material for it and the fans who got invested in those stories.
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Post by Darth Yan » 2014-04-30 06:40pm

The EU has been a mixed bag. They fell back on the same storyline again and again, and it got old real fast. Say what you will about the NJO series, at least that was trying to do something different.

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Post by The Romulan Republic » 2014-04-30 08:05pm

I'm afraid Abrams and Disney will make the same mistake. I'm worried that they'll make the Sith/The Empire the villains again. They're iconic and Abrams sometimes rehashes old stuff too much (a problem with Star Trek Into Darkness). The Dark Side will always be there. Its an integral part of Star Wars. But the Sith and the Empire should be gone.

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Post by JME2 » 2014-04-30 08:51pm

That's my fear too -- and I've fucking had with the Sith and Empire being villains.

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Post by Darksider » 2014-04-30 09:00pm

JME2 wrote:That's my fear too -- and I've fucking had with the Sith and Empire being villains.
I don't mind it in stuff that's set pre-OT like Rebels or ToR, but if the main point of tossing out the EU was to give the creative team freedom to do something different, then by god they should do something different.

I don't want to see another interpretation of how the Sith return or the Empire rises again to challenge the heroes, because I spent 10 years reading about stuff like that.
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Post by Gandalf » 2014-04-30 09:07pm

Havok wrote:Geezuz, just let it go. You guys are like little kids clinging to their security blanket.

Isn't it infinitely more exciting to have everything be new and possible again than trite rehashed shit?

Can't you remember back to before Heir to the Empire when Star Wars was still fucking awesome?
I recently tried to reread HTTE. It's actually not that great. If you imagine that it's an original universe as opposed to SW, it's actually better.

Boba Fett is dead again, and Palpatine actually died at Endor. Addition by subtraction.
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Post by JME2 » 2014-04-30 09:50pm

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JME2 wrote:That's my fear too -- and I've fucking had with the Sith and Empire being villains.
I don't mind it in stuff that's set pre-OT like Rebels or ToR, but if the main point of tossing out the EU was to give the creative team freedom to do something different, then by god they should do something different.

I don't want to see another interpretation of how the Sith return or the Empire rises again to challenge the heroes, because I spent 10 years reading about stuff like that.
Yeah, the EU ran the Sith and the Imperials into the ground; that's why I enjoyed the Vong as they were a breath of fresh air.

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Post by Batman » 2014-04-30 10:07pm

Are we talking about the same EU? The vong were a threat because the New Republic got turned into a bunch of morons and the Force didn't work on the Vong pretty much by writer's fiat.
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Re: The New SW Canon

Post by DaveJB » 2014-05-01 05:44am

The early Vong stories were fairly decent IMO, especially compared to the absolute crap that Kevin J. Anderson had been churning out in the preceding years. The problem was more that they wrote themselves into a corner early on and then had to start pulling more and more ridiculous bullshit in order to keep the storyline going.

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