Volume of Xyston-class Star Destroyer?

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Was the First Order a "first rate power?"

I thought them more analogous to ISIS or some sort of petrostate.
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I have no answers, just ideas.
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Gandalf wrote: 2020-02-23 07:46pm Was the First Order a "first rate power?"

I thought them more analogous to ISIS or some sort of petrostate.
They can build planets, destroy star systems, and they conquered the galaxy in approximately two weeks. That doesn’t speak to a multipolar (as opposed to bipolar or unipolar) power structure. At the very least not one where the FO is at the bottom of the pack.

But let’s say every SD the FO has us third party supplied. What are they buying them with? ISIS ain’t buying super carriers. It’s a similar problem to where the FO gets its kit if is a backwater impoverished terrorist rump state. Even if they don’t build them themselves, what is the source of the vast wealth needed for someone else to build them for them? And you always buy at a premium, so while the medium of acquisition might be different between self building and buyer if, buying is overall more expensive.
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Apparently the First Order absorbed parts of the New Republic even before TFA.
Though the First Order was officially formed in 29 ABY, having incorporated the Centrist star systems that seceded from the New Republic, its origins date back to a vast conspiracy decades in the making.
The secession of Centrist worlds precipitated a cold war between the First Order and the New Republic, followed by open war between the Resistance and the First Order.
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Re: Volume of Xyston-class Star Destroyer?

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To answer the question

Go ahead and ignore what sw-v-st says, Robert Scott Anderson is nuttier than squirrel poop - you can find some of his insane behavior in the archives here - and terrible at math, science, or honesty. Hopefully that guy has gotten the mental health treatment he so desperately needed in the intervening decades.

Measured volumes from models were between 1e8 and 1.3e8 cubic meters. The numbers that appear in the ICS books and canon are consistent with 1.3e8 being used as the "true" volume.

1.3e8 cubic meters, times 7800 kgs per m^3 (density of iron) gets you 1e12 kgs total mass. speed of light times 3000 gs times gravitational acceleration is ~10^13; multiply that by the mass and you get the peak power of ~1e25 watts. 1e12 kgs of mass times 10^17 (approx c^2) gets you 10^29, which was the estimated fuel energy. 1e29/1e25 gets you 10^4 secs, which was the back end effective full power envelope. 3.25 cubic meters to the ton from 1.3e8 gets you a tonnage of 40 million, which is the published tonnage of an ISD.

So yeah, 1.3e8 is the unofficial official volume. All the numbers track from it.

Square cube law takes that to 4.39e8 cubic meters for the Xyston.

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MKSheppard wrote: 2020-01-24 10:38pmLet's look at this objectively.

Palpatine wasn't gross until after THE JEDI BETRAYAL (TM). He was a kindly old man who wasn't (that) bad looking before he ate his own force lighting, so it's believable that he had a semi-official mistress to keep up appearances in gossip; since you can't put "Studies of the Dark Side of the Force" as your "I did this this year." for the tabloids.

So looking at the timeline:

ABY Event
-84 Palpatine Born
-32 Phantom Menace
-22 Attack of the Clones
-19 Revenge of the Sith
0 ANH
4 ROTJ
15 Rey Born
34 Force Awakens

At the minimum, his son has to have been born 19 BBY (-19); so he'd be about 23 when the Death Star II explodes over Endor.

That then makes him about 34 years old when Rey is born. Add a few years onto that for the abandonment of Rey on Jakku; and, it kind of works actually.

That's as much as I'm going to try and "fixit" this shitpile.
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The great Senator Palpatine, rich guy extraordinaire with great taste in art, could never get a mistress, and had to rely on a silly clone to procreate...
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chimericoncogene wrote: 2020-03-05 09:17pm The great Senator Palpatine, rich guy extraordinaire with great taste in art, could never get a mistress, and had to rely on a silly clone to procreate...
I suspect its more "Ewww, Palpatine fucking? Who wants that?"
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The Romulan Republic wrote: 2020-03-11 01:48am I suspect its more "Ewww, Palpatine fucking? Who wants that?"
I always assumed that an Emperor would have concubines or something, in the Chinese tradition, where it is said there are 3,000 pretty girls in the back of the palace.
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