Slavery is slavery and should not be excused or made light of, even in fiction. If droids are sapient (and at least some seem to be), then treating them as property is slavery. Clones are certainly sapient, and are engineered as weapons of war and never given a choice in the life they pursue. To the best of my recollections, they are never show to be paid either, but feel free to correct me on that point if you know a source that says otherwise. They are slaves as well.Knife wrote: ↑2018-08-27 07:36pmMeh. You can have a good argument philosophically with droids, even clones I guess. Not sure why you'd get up in arms about theoretical robots as depicted. The clones are a tech closer to what we can do, so again philosophically interesting argument but meh.The Romulan Republic wrote: ↑2018-08-20 04:08pmYeah. And I don't really have a problem with slavery that is acknowledge and portrayed as such being a part of the setting.
I am more troubled by stuff which is slavery but not treated as such, especially when its being done by, or with the complicity of, the heroes. Ie droids, the Clones, arguably the Jedi's use of child recruits/soldiers.
There were "prestigious" positions for slaves in ancient societies as well. They were still slaves. Now, you can argue that the Jedi aren't slaves because they can freely leave. And technically, that's true. But let's be real- if a child is brought up in the Jedi Order, indoctrinated in their beliefs since infancy, likely with no experience or connections outside the Order, how easy is it going to be for them to leave? There may not be force (once they reach adulthood, anyway- I doubt a youngling or young padawan could just walk out the door, for obvious reasons), but there is certainly coercion. And coerced consent is not true consent.Jedi though, I take issue with. It's a prestige position. Granted a lot of indoctrination goes into it too, but there does seem like 'legal' ways to leave if someone really wants to. We do know people WANT to be Jedi enough that a slave kid outside the Republic has heard of them and is excited to be one when given the chance. As far as 'kid soldiers', I'm kind of see the point but also see how it's bad. We define adult at 18 and so having a bunch of 19 year old kids fight wars. 200 years ago, as well as earlier, 16 was an adult and OK to go fight. Padawans 14-16 year old being journeymen or squires kind of tracks, besides the point that in 1000 years there has been no major wars and those thousands of Padawans would not have been in danger.
I wouldn't care so much if the children weren't used in combat, provided that the parents consented to the children becoming Jedi- parents can send their children to a religious boarding school if they want. But there is (or was, in Legends) some indication that children could be taken against at least one parent's wishes (see the novel Dark Lord), and they send children at least as young as 14 (Asohka) into frontline combat positions. Child soldiers. The fact that this was (and in some places still is, sadly) common practice doesn't change my views. Child soldiers were an accepted practice in pre-industrial societies where the modern concept of childhood didn't really exist, and people basically had to start working as soon as they were old enough to survive. That does not apply in a technologically advanced society.
Pretty much, yeah. That's what I'm talking about, mostly.Now, if you want to argue that for 3 years in the Clone Wars that the Jedi kept teenagers along side their Masters in combat, I can see that I guess.