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Re: "Star Wars Resistance" is Disney's Newest Animated TV show

Post by The Romulan Republic » 2018-05-18 01:51pm

Gandalf wrote:
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Between Thrawn and the biochipped Clones, SW sure knows how to put a friendly and marketable face on fascism.
The biochipped clones is basically a handwave to reconcile the friendly Clone troopers of the Clone Wars cartoon with Order 66, yes?

I see where you're coming from, here, but while it may remove the Clones' culpability, I don't think that it actually makes the Empire or its fascism less horrific, that they mind-controlled millions of people into genociding their friends/comrades/commanders. Less subtle and realistic, maybe, but not less horrible.
I'm not sure exactly what your point is here.
Well, you said the bio-chipped clones was putting a friendly face on fascism. So I pointed out that it doesn't actually make the Empire any less horrific or more "friendly", in my opinions. It just shifts the clones from accomplices to victims (which they kind of were anyway, what with being engineered to be effectively slave soldiers, and raised/indoctrinated to be such as children).
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Re: "Star Wars Resistance" is Disney's Newest Animated TV show

Post by The Romulan Republic » 2018-05-18 01:51pm

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Agreed that Thrawn is a villain, and a killer. Obviously.

Not sure I agree that he'd back Snoke. Legends Thrawn would not, I think- he would not view Snoke as a legitimate successor to the Empire, and would deplore the incompetency of men like Hux.

Disney Thrawn, I'm not sure.

My idea (which, again, I admit is basically fan-wank) was of a Thrawn who spent decades stranded in the Unknown Regions with a badly damaged fleet, having to work with Ezra (and vice-versa) to survive, and, if not being redeemed, at least developing a grudging respect for the Jedi. Its an alt. universe Thrawn, in other words.

Though, a funny thing occurred to me while thinking about this:

Legends Thrawn's primary goal, IIRC, was to establish a strong, ordered galaxy, supposedly (or was this just fanon?) to fight against an outside threat. To do that, he went the authoritarian dictator route, like every internet wannabe-HARD MAN, only with a veneer of sophistication. But the irony is, arguably the only organization in Star Wars history that has actually managed to create an extended period of peace and security on a galactic scale is... the Jedi Order.

I wouldn't expect Thrawn to see that, though. Or rather, the problem is that he wanted Force users under his control, as extensions of his will.
In Outbound Flight, it was to deal with the Vong, who are immune to the force. The Jedi Order would have been rather useless against them. A militarized Galactic Republic could have stood against them, but we all know what happened there. That Thrawn got bamboozled by Palpatine under this reason is the justifaction as to why Thrawn didn't go to the Rebellion, and it's fanon that the idiocy of the New Republic is why he didn't go to them after the Empire fell.

In Disney Canon, via the book Star Wars Thrawn, he also used the reasoning of an external threat that he wishes to throw the Empire at so as to protect the Chiss. Said threat goes unnamed.
Oh, I hope they're not going to re-canonize the Vong.
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Re: "Star Wars Resistance" is Disney's Newest Animated TV show

Post by tezunegari » 2018-05-18 03:25pm

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Oh, I hope they're not going to re-canonize the Vong.
Just for the siths and giggles I would.

As a primitive single planet race at the outer most limit of the galactic space.
And at the end of the episode have an imperial Stardestroyer Captain say "Commence Base Delta Zero."
Of course the ending scene would include the Stardestroyer opening fire on the planet.
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Post by Batman » 2018-05-18 06:44pm

If it's an actual BDZ and not that mild drizzle we got in Rebels oh yes please please pretty please
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Post by Crazedwraith » 2018-05-18 06:54pm

Oh man, shitty ill-natured swipes at other parts of the franchise never get old. :roll:
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Post by Batman » 2018-05-18 07:06pm

Tell me the Vong don't have it coming
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Post by The Romulan Republic » 2018-05-18 07:10pm

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Tell me the Vong don't have it coming
Yeah, I don't want them back in canon, but I wouldn't get a kick out of watching them genocided, either. Just leave them out of canon.
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Post by Rogue 9 » 2018-05-18 07:53pm

The cartoon shows are never going to show a full scale planetary bombardment actually succeed, at least not as long as they're using Disney XD as their platform. The series finale of Rebels at least showed the order given only to be repelled by a theater shield; that's probably as much as we're going to get.
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Post by Gandalf » 2018-05-19 06:44pm

The Romulan Republic wrote:
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The biochipped clones is basically a handwave to reconcile the friendly Clone troopers of the Clone Wars cartoon with Order 66, yes?

I see where you're coming from, here, but while it may remove the Clones' culpability, I don't think that it actually makes the Empire or its fascism less horrific, that they mind-controlled millions of people into genociding their friends/comrades/commanders. Less subtle and realistic, maybe, but not less horrible.
I'm not sure exactly what your point is here.
Well, you said the bio-chipped clones was putting a friendly face on fascism. So I pointed out that it doesn't actually make the Empire any less horrific or more "friendly", in my opinions. It just shifts the clones from accomplices to victims (which they kind of were anyway, what with being engineered to be effectively slave soldiers, and raised/indoctrinated to be such as children).
What makes the Empire and these sorts of regimes terrifying isn't that they have some power mad guy at the centre, but that they have legions of people doing their dirty work. Stormtroopers storm the Tantive IV, kill Jawas, tear up the Lars homestead, and so on. Not the Emperor. This is taken further in ROTS with Order 66. They were all "just following orders." Commander Cody seemed to be friends with Obi-Wan, then he got the order, and the rest is history.

Imagine a story where the SS only did their stuff because of weird brain chips.
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Post by Vympel » 2018-05-20 04:06am

Rogue 9 wrote:
2018-05-18 07:53pm
The cartoon shows are never going to show a full scale planetary bombardment actually succeed, at least not as long as they're using Disney XD as their platform. The series finale of Rebels at least showed the order given only to be repelled by a theater shield; that's probably as much as we're going to get.
I didn't think it was given personally - all that happens is that Thrawn calls for a full bombardment of the city.

Re: Resistance, the latest issue of the Poe Dameron comic already sets up an obvious future contradiction. Poe says that the engagement over Maz's castle in TFA was the first time the Resistance openly fought the First Order (i.e. contrasting to the small scale ops we see in the comic, pre-TFA). I'm sure that Resistance will stick to that. :lol:
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Post by Lord Revan » 2018-05-21 09:47am

Gandalf wrote:
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Gandalf wrote:
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I'm not sure exactly what your point is here.
Well, you said the bio-chipped clones was putting a friendly face on fascism. So I pointed out that it doesn't actually make the Empire any less horrific or more "friendly", in my opinions. It just shifts the clones from accomplices to victims (which they kind of were anyway, what with being engineered to be effectively slave soldiers, and raised/indoctrinated to be such as children).
What makes the Empire and these sorts of regimes terrifying isn't that they have some power mad guy at the centre, but that they have legions of people doing their dirty work. Stormtroopers storm the Tantive IV, kill Jawas, tear up the Lars homestead, and so on. Not the Emperor. This is taken further in ROTS with Order 66. They were all "just following orders." Commander Cody seemed to be friends with Obi-Wan, then he got the order, and the rest is history.

Imagine a story where the SS only did their stuff because of weird brain chips.
You still have those people doing the dirty work, after all someone had implant those chips into the brains of the clonetroopers.

The true horror and evil of fasism isn't that the leaders are "demons" who are physically unable to do anything that's not evil but rather that everyone from the leaders to grunts on the ground think what they're doing is for the greater good.

Clonetroopers having chips to ensure their obedience doesn't change that it simply shifts the minion status to the guys implanting the chips, also IIRC those chips were there to supplement more traditional indoctrination not replace it, this is shown in rebels where "being a soldier for the Republic" is pretty much all Rex knows how to do.

For all it's flaws Dice's BF2 did actually show an imperial prespective at start and also showed why someone who isn't 100% evil would follow the empire they're told that they're doing is needed for the greater good.
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